Samuel T Cogley Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I actually found myself sharing some of ML's musical tastes. I wish him well. Link to comment
christopher3393 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Perhaps this explains it: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/aug/08/the-twittering-machine-richard-seymour-review-social-media-dystopia Samuel T Cogley 1 Link to comment
Mayfair Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 ML struck me as the audio industry version of I wish him well. crenca 1 Link to comment
Blake Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Bummer, I liked his twittering machines website. Speaker Room: Lumin U1X | Lampizator Pacific 2 | Viva Linea | Constellation Inspiration Stereo 1.0 | FinkTeam Kim | Revel subs Office Headphone System: Lumin U1X | Lampizator Golden Gate 3 | Viva Egoista | Abyss AB1266 Phi TC Link to comment
Popular Post christopher3393 Posted August 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 11:07 AM, christopher3393 said: Perhaps this explains it: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/aug/08/the-twittering-machine-richard-seymour-review-social-media-dystopia For Sam. This is far, far from from off topic regarding ML, and your claim that to the contrary is surprising as you were one of several that needled ML off of this forum and you know it. This is all available for anyone to see. Not blaming you. There is a steadily growing literature on social media toxicity and I think Michael felt it and was at a loss as to how to deal with it, as so many are. Just my opinion ,but there it is. From the review for this forthcoming book: "Seymour’s insights into trolling are as good as you will read on the topic. Combining base forms of sadism, a mask of ironic detachment and writing tools that seem to destroy all norms of accountability, trolling is central to this horror story, where human frailty becomes toyed with for entertainment. This isn’t going on somewhere else, he reminds us; we can all do it. Every time we take to social media, to cast someone’s else’s words or deeds in an unforgiving light, we are trolling." This is a forum that has tolerated this behavior again and again. It's high time it stop. Hugo9000, sandyk, SuperRoo and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Rt66indierock Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, christopher3393 said: For Sam. This is far, far from from off topic regarding ML, and your claim that to the contrary is surprising as you were one of several that needled ML off of this forum and you know it. This is all available for anyone to see. Not blaming you. There is a steadily growing literature on social media toxicity and I think Michael felt it and was at a loss as to how to deal with it, as so many are. Just my opinion ,but there it is. From the review for this forthcoming book: "Seymour’s insights into trolling are as good as you will read on the topic. Combining base forms of sadism, a mask of ironic detachment and writing tools that seem to destroy all norms of accountability, trolling is central to this horror story, where human frailty becomes toyed with for entertainment. This isn’t going on somewhere else, he reminds us; we can all do it. Every time we take to social media, to cast someone’s else’s words or deeds in an unforgiving light, we are trolling." This is a forum that has tolerated this behavior again and again. It's high time it stop. Or go for a simpler explanation. Michael and I had many disagreements and he apologized to me face to face at RMAF in 2017. End of that story. Simpler explanation Michael could never attract an audience with Twittering Machines . Supported by facts dull but true. I wish him well. Link to comment
CrushingIt Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said: Simpler explanation Michael could never attract an audience with Twittering Machines . Supported by facts dull but true. I wish him well. Thats your speculation only. Until he speaks publicly, we don't know why he's shutting down. I'm not saying you research isn't accurate, but it may have nothing to do with the reason. Sorry, once a journalist always a journalist. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Popular Post wdw Posted August 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 I wish him the best...as mentioned above, we benefit from more rather than fewer voices and opinions in this hobby. He experienced the worst side of this site although it was somewhat self-inflicted. MikeyFresh and The Computer Audiophile 1 1 Link to comment
Rt66indierock Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, CrushingIt said: Thats your speculation only. Until he speaks publicly, we don't know why he's shutting down. I'm not saying you research isn't accurate, but it may have nothing to do with the reason. Sorry, once a journalist always a journalist. As I've said many times journalism died awhile ago. Twittering Machines never broke 50,000 views a month according to my web traffic research. For comparison MQA is Vaporware averages about 24,000 views a month. Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted August 14, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 8 hours ago, christopher3393 said: For Sam. This is far, far from from off topic regarding ML, and your claim that to the contrary is surprising as you were one of several that needled ML off of this forum and you know it. This is all available for anyone to see. Not blaming you. There is a steadily growing literature on social media toxicity and I think Michael felt it and was at a loss as to how to deal with it, as so many are. Just my opinion ,but there it is. From the review for this forthcoming book: "Seymour’s insights into trolling are as good as you will read on the topic. Combining base forms of sadism, a mask of ironic detachment and writing tools that seem to destroy all norms of accountability, trolling is central to this horror story, where human frailty becomes toyed with for entertainment. This isn’t going on somewhere else, he reminds us; we can all do it. Every time we take to social media, to cast someone’s else’s words or deeds in an unforgiving light, we are trolling." This is a forum that has tolerated this behavior again and again. It's high time it stop. ML wasn't treated well here. He also brought much of it on himself. And his ban resulted solely from his inability to conduct himself in a civil manner. If he'd watched his language, he'd still be here. It's sort of funny how he went out of his way to belittle audio forums over the last couple of years, as he used his columns to engage in similar behavior and crude ways of expressing his opinion and disdain. MikeyFresh and The Computer Audiophile 1 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Popular Post crenca Posted August 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 9:30 AM, Samuel T Cogley said: I actually found myself sharing some of ML's musical tastes. I wish him well. He was the first audio reviewer I came across who could describe the sound of a DAC, which is difficult to do, in a way that I could understand and correlate. Unfortunately, he might as well have invented "social media toxicity" and was truly obnoxious. Civility crusaders might have a little credibility (maybe) if they did not defend ML... MikeyFresh and askat1988 1 1 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
CrushingIt Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Rt66indierock said: As I've said many times journalism died awhile ago. Twittering Machines never broke 50,000 views a month according to my web traffic research. For comparison MQA is Vaporware averages about 24,000 views a month. Not dead at all...like anything else in life if you have to seek good things out. The fact is (and facts are still important in this world) that you don't know why he shut it down. You could wait and hear it from him or continue to just guess. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Samuel T Cogley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, crenca said: He was the first audio reviewer I came across who could describe the sound of a DAC, which is difficult to do, in a way that I could understand and correlate. Unfortunately, he might as well have invented "social media toxicity" and was truly obnoxious. Civility crusaders might have a little credibility (maybe) if they did not defend ML... I agree that some felt a reverence for ML that utterly baffled me. Link to comment
Rt66indierock Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, CrushingIt said: Not dead at all...like anything else in life if you have to seek good things out. The fact is (and facts are still important in this world) that you don't know why he shut it down. You could wait and hear it from him or continue to just guess. In the United States journalism is dead. It took want ads to make it work and along came Craig's List and good bye revenue. The same applies to Michael. Not enough people visit your site then your ad revenue is too low to make the venture work. All facts and common knowledge among those of us with clients or investors doing websites. crenca 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Samuel T Cogley Posted August 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 17 hours ago, christopher3393 said: For Sam. This is far, far from from off topic regarding ML, and your claim that to the contrary is surprising as you were one of several that needled ML off of this forum and you know it. This is all available for anyone to see. Not blaming you. There is a steadily growing literature on social media toxicity and I think Michael felt it and was at a loss as to how to deal with it, as so many are. Just my opinion ,but there it is. From the review for this forthcoming book: "Seymour’s insights into trolling are as good as you will read on the topic. Combining base forms of sadism, a mask of ironic detachment and writing tools that seem to destroy all norms of accountability, trolling is central to this horror story, where human frailty becomes toyed with for entertainment. This isn’t going on somewhere else, he reminds us; we can all do it. Every time we take to social media, to cast someone’s else’s words or deeds in an unforgiving light, we are trolling." This is a forum that has tolerated this behavior again and again. It's high time it stop. OMG cry me a river! 😭 It seems you have confirmed your primary reason for posting in this forum is to combat (through some utterly ineffective intellectualized mocking) this "social media toxicity". This forum also tolerates your malignant pomposity, so you should consider yourself lucky that you can post here. I'm sure the view from that high horse upon which you've perched yourself informs us all. 😁 crenca, MikeyFresh, Fluffytime and 2 others 2 1 1 1 Link to comment
CrushingIt Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said: In the United States journalism is dead. It took want ads to make it work and along came Craig's List and good bye revenue. The same applies to Michael. Not enough people visit your site then your ad revenue is too low to make the venture work. All facts and common knowledge among those of us with clients or investors doing websites. So journalism only happens in print newspapers? There are more outlets for journalism today than there have ever been. Some of them are outstanding, some not..that part probably hasn't changed. Is there less on a local level? Yes for sure....but its there. And once again you are posting what may be a reason for the suspension of his site...you don't see the difference between your hypothesis and fact? The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Rt66indierock Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, CrushingIt said: So journalism only happens in print newspapers? There are more outlets for journalism today than there have ever been. Some of them are outstanding, some not..that part probably hasn't changed. Is there less on a local level? Yes for sure....but its there. And once again you are posting what may be a reason for the suspension of his site...you don't see the difference between your hypothesis and fact? I have data on what the revenue potential for websites is based on advertising and sponsorship. You are making the same argument a serial entrepreneur did to me last May and failed. Twittering Machines was below a break even point that is a fact. Link to comment
Popular Post rando Posted August 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said: Twittering Machines was below a break even point that is a fact. Almost every new venture has beginnings below a break even point. Yours is supposition being offered as authority. Unless you personally have, correction, had ML's site as a client and can personally attest to the personal issues impacting his decision. Opinion, no more. daverich4 and The Computer Audiophile 2 Link to comment
christopher3393 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said: I have data on what the revenue potential for websites is based on advertising and sponsorship. You are making the same argument a serial entrepreneur did to me last May and failed. Twittering Machines was below a break even point that is a fact. Not everything can be boiled down to bean counting. BTW, nice article from Monday: https://twitteringmachines.com/classic-albums-bill-dixon-cecil-taylor-duets-1992/ The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
CrushingIt Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said: I have data on what the revenue potential for websites is based on advertising and sponsorship. You are making the same argument a serial entrepreneur did to me last May and failed. Twittering Machines was below a break even point that is a fact. I'm not arguing your data. I'm saying that it may be irrelevant. Maybe his partner makes enough to support his " fun job" Maybe there is an illness in his family. Maybe he's a trust fund baby. There are a dozen possible answers. You are focusing on only one. One that may or may not matter to him. I'm honestly not sure why anyone would be venturing guesses as to why. If you really wanted to know, I'm assuming you could email him. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
mansr Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, CrushingIt said: I'm not arguing your data. I'm saying that it may be irrelevant. Maybe his partner makes enough to support his " fun job" A "for fun" website isn't normally teeming with ads. Ralf11 1 Link to comment
crenca Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, CrushingIt said: I'm honestly not sure why anyone would be venturing guesses as to why. If you really wanted to know, I'm assuming you could email him. He's not the type of guy that would answer truthfully - rather he would scold you and your boldness to seek the truth in the first place 😉 In any case, @Rt66indierockhas a point about the financial viability of his latest project...it's certainly a contributing factor no doubt, even if ML is "a trust fund baby"... Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
Rt66indierock Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, CrushingIt said: I'm not arguing your data. I'm saying that it may be irrelevant. Maybe his partner makes enough to support his " fun job" Maybe there is an illness in his family. Maybe he's a trust fund baby. There are a dozen possible answers. You are focusing on only one. One that may or may not matter to him. I'm honestly not sure why anyone would be venturing guesses as to why. If you really wanted to know, I'm assuming you could email him. I do know him fairly well and what he did and his skill set out of audio and he knows mine. One of the interesting things I've learned is everyone seems to know every bodies web stats in high end audio. I have advanced a reason Michael can recover from. I can find out other reasons but I would never post it here. crenca 1 Link to comment
kumakuma Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, christopher3393 said: Not everything can be boiled down to bean counting. Using an insulting term to refer to his profession weakens your argument. MikeyFresh 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
christopher3393 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, kumakuma said: Using an insulting term to refer to his profession weakens your argument. I think you are making an unwarranted assumption that could have easily been clarified with a question.Please feel free to turn it into a stronger argument if you actually value the substance of the point made.I'll look forward to it. My intention is to refer to the statements, the steady pattern of statements here and elsewhere from this member that suggests that it all boils down to the economic bottom line and that is all that really matters.This is a kind of reductionism that, like other forms of reductionism, only tells part of the story. The poster's profession could be any number of things, and I'd still see the statement that way. A more multi-dimensional assessment is what is called for. Apologies if this offended Stephen or you or Mikey. I intended bluntness and brevity, not belittling Stephen's career. But on this forum where I see more offensive comments on an almost daily basis, why pick out this one? But I've seen you let a lot worse go unchecked. Your objection is, I think, influenced by long term bias against my critical perspective, and so I take it, and Mikey's clearly partisan participation, with a large grain of Tibetan pink salt. Seems like there is a big double standard around here sometimes. But hey, it's all about enjoying this wunnerful hobby of ours, so if it makes you happy, continue offering me remedial education so that I can learn to make better, and more civil arguments. 🦄 Teresa 1 Link to comment
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