Ralf11 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Please give the number of USB cables you tried out in your system, and list your DAC. Feel free to say whether you used a cable rental place, swapped with friends, or just bought several. Also if you have any galvanic isolation devices in your system (or know that your DAC includes this) please state which one, or none. Link to comment
Sonicularity Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I stream via Roon with a Tidal and Qobuz subscription. I have a few ripped CDs to FLAC 16/44 when I can't find a streaming version of the album, like Trout Mask Replica from Captain Beefheart. My system is a late generation Windows 10 HP laptop with 16GB of ram, i5-8250U cpu, and 512GB SSD. This laptop is my Roon core and it is only used to play music. I have an Intona USB 2.0 hi-speed isolator between my laptop and an RME ADI-2 DAC (with RME ASIO driver) using some generic 2 foot USB cable between the laptop and Intona device, and a 6 foot Belkin Gold Series USB cable from the Intona to the DAC. Roon shows that I have a lossless signal up to 24/192 with Qobuz files. I have run RME test files through this chain to verify that it was bit perfect up to 32-bit 768kHz. I've also checked overnight to see if I was getting any errors with USB, and after 12 hours of continuous music streaming, not a single error was reported. It sounds great, too. My weakest link is the room and/or transducer. Nothing else will improve the sound quality in my set up at this time in any significant manner to me and my ears. Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted August 8, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2019 ok, so we will put you down for 1 cable, no changes (?) Ajax and Sonicularity 2 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted August 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2019 I have piles of USB cables, no idea where they came from. Never really tried them, just grab the nearest when I need one. Ajax, tmtomh, kumakuma and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment
Sonicularity Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: ok, so we will put you down for 1 cable, no changes (?) 2 [no changes] Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 Sandy - have you tried different USB cables? IF so, please state the #, and your DAC, etc. Thank you. Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted August 9, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2019 23 hours ago, Ralf11 said: Please give the number of USB cables you tried out in your system, and list your DAC. Feel free to say whether you used a cable rental place, swapped with friends, or just bought several. Also if you have any galvanic isolation devices in your system (or know that your DAC includes this) please state which one, or none. Let's try to stay on topic I am interested in listening experiences (and the goal is to track down some factors (galv. isolation is one) that may be responsible for perceived differences) 89reksal and sandyk 2 Link to comment
daverich4 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Printer cable, Uptone USPCB A>B Adapter, Audioquest Forest, Audioquest Carbon, Curious Cable. Schiit Gungnir Multibit, Auralic Vega & PS Audio Directstream Sr. DACs. Sometimes I think I hear a difference between the DACs but if there’s a difference in the sound between the cables, including random printer cables, I’m not able to identify it. Oh yeah, bought everything, still have all of it. Link to comment
One and a half Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Ralf11 said: Let's try to stay on topic I am interested in listening experiences (and the goal is to track down some factors (galv. isolation is one) that may be responsible for perceived differences) Since you may not know, galvanic isolation on USB brings more complications, I refer you to the ifi Galvanic in the sponsored forum at AS. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
Popular Post jabbr Posted August 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2019 Oh god, there are so many cables and so little time. I don’t do listening tests between USB cables (but I’d love an OK Computer cable TBH!) Lets see: I like that white Swedish cable with my iFI — oh wait it uses that weird connector so I use the AQ Dragonfly ... with @PeterSt‘s DAC I use his Lush cable ... with the Pro-Ject S2D I use whatever was in the box. Life is short, I prefer sampling Bourbons elcorso and motberg 1 1 Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
alfe Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 8 hours ago, jabbr said: Life is short, I prefer sampling Bourbons More samples = less noise🤭 Link to comment
musicguy Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 7 cables, gen 5 gumby. Uptone mac mini-blackcat coppertone usb- isoregen/lps1.2- 4 different headphone amps. 5 different headphones. (I work nights so its really hard on the weekends to listen to my big stereo, up at nights) By far, my new Blackcat coppertone usb cable beats all my other cables by a huge margin. Second would be Blackcats silverstar usb. I wont even give a third because they are so far below the blackcat cables i wont even use them now. But the Blackcat coppertone usb is such a huge step up. I would problably have to spend double if not more to beat it. The improvements im hearing in my music now is amazing! Plus the new uptone mac mini project was a major step up also. This is the first time in my life i have really enjoy computer audio. Before it was just for back ground music while reading on the pc. Now!! I have probably one of the best front ends i have ever heard. I plan on building a second system for my 2 channel. musicguy Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, musicguy said: 7 cables, gen 5 gumby. Uptone mac mini-blackcat coppertone usb- isoregen/lps1.2- 4 different headphone amps. 5 different headphones. (I work nights so its really hard on the weekends to listen to my big stereo, up at nights) By far, my new Blackcat coppertone usb cable beats all my other cables by a huge margin. Second would be Blackcats silverstar usb. I wont even give a third because they are so far below the blackcat cables i wont even use them now. But the Blackcat coppertone usb is such a huge step up. I would problably have to spend double if not more to beat it. The improvements im hearing in my music now is amazing! Plus the new uptone mac mini project was a major step up also. This is the first time in my life i have really enjoy computer audio. Before it was just for back ground music while reading on the pc. Now!! I have probably one of the best front ends i have ever heard. I plan on building a second system for my 2 channel. musicguy I found out that mac mini USB connection to 5 gen mb Gungnir works better without regen. But, I was using first regen version. Supra USB cable. Link to comment
Popular Post musicguy Posted August 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2019 @AnotherSpin From what i understand, Uptone says the isoregen is a whole new beast. Maybe Alex can chime in. Ive never heard the original regen. I did an isoregen vs no isoregen. I used a eitr with coxial, which i know is a different signal path, but then i would swap everything, I would put the isoregen on the eitr and the usb direct to the gen 5 gumby. The isoregen always won no matter what it was put on. Even a Gustard U12. Gustard U12-isoregen vs usb straight Gen 5 = Winner was isoregen Gustard. Now I will say that the iso regen and the lps1.2 really let me hear differences in usb cable. I mean The signal going into the isoregen really mattered for the first time. Before I thought most of my usb cables were more similar than different. Now? I hear a much bigger difference in sound quality, fullness, imaging, depth, and such. Most of my closed sounding headphones now sound Like they are out of my head. Just my .02 cents musicguy feelingears and Superdad 2 Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 27 minutes ago, musicguy said: @AnotherSpin From what i understand, Uptone says the isoregen is a whole new beast. Maybe Alex can chime in. Ive never heard the original regen. I did an isoregen vs no isoregen. I used a eitr with coxial, which i know is a different signal path, but then i would swap everything, I would put the isoregen on the eitr and the usb direct to the gen 5 gumby. The isoregen always won no matter what it was put on. Even a Gustard U12. Gustard U12-isoregen vs usb straight Gen 5 = Winner was isoregen Gustard. Now I will say that the iso regen and the lps1.2 really let me hear differences in usb cable. I mean The signal going into the isoregen really mattered for the first time. Before I thought most of my usb cables were more similar than different. Now? I hear a much bigger difference in sound quality, fullness, imaging, depth, and such. Most of my closed sounding headphones now sound Like they are out of my head. Just my .02 cents musicguy Never had ISO regen, so can not tell anything here. Cables were quite different with original regen as well. Even more, regen+Supra sounded better than regen+Nordost Blue Heaven, while Supra without regen was less preferable than Blue Heaven without regen. Go figure...) However, Gungnir 5 gen provides its own way of dealing with USB, as you know. Link to comment
musicguy Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 So, from what i understand is gen 5 isnt true isolation? It uses a transformer type device. So that what makes isoregen special. They use an actual chipset. go to isoregen post. Im not here not to discredit anyones topology its just how they do it for perfomance and dollars. All I know is iso regen is the best ive heard. I own it and the lps1.2. And I know Uptone wont like this statement but Its my dollars. If I didnt here an improvement. I would have sent it back. And that why they offer 30 days. Its the norm nowaday? But, man, its works. I even bought the cheapest usb cable i could find if its works. Really? who does this? The isoregen is so revealing.!! Its that good. it give a listen view of all my usb cables. cheap to awesome!!!! So, I think we all need to look at your whole package. Until it enters the dac. its matters!! let me make this statement. until 2000 We didnt even matter. There was little computer audio. I have 3 2000 dallors plus cd players. they are still important. they still beat a pc, a basic mac mini. But my Uptone mac mini, isoregen. usb blackcat cable NO they dont, its been 15 years since a computer out did my cd players. enough said!! musicguy tapatrick 1 Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 musicguy - just to clarify - you did all the cable listening comparisons with the iso regen in the system? or were some without it? Link to comment
emcdade Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 3 USB cables, all bought: Belkin Gold, Straightwire, Analysis Plus purple First DAC: Fostex HP-A8, no galvanic isolation Very sensitive to source and lesser extent usb cable. Mobo usb sounded like crap compared to SOTM SMS-200. Second DAC: T+A DAC8 DSD, has galvanic isolation Much less sensitive to source and cables. Only minor improvement from source and usb cable, and a Matrix PCI-E USB card from a Win10 PC is producing my best sound to date. Link to comment
emcdade Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 One last thing to add: isoregen with lpsu made no discernible difference in my current setup and was more of an annoyance than anything. I sold it. Link to comment
jabbr Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 This: https://apple.news/AVZGg9EYISZOHYMy3co64yw Hugo9000 1 Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
musicguy Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I tried the iso Regen with every cable i own. Cheap to the most expensive. No matter what cable i used. It was better with the isoregen but dont forget im using the lps 1.2 with it musicguy. Link to comment
sandyk Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 44 minutes ago, musicguy said: I tried the iso Regen with every cable i own. Cheap to the most expensive. No matter what cable i used. It was better with the isoregen but dont forget im using the lps 1.2 with it musicguy. The quality of the LPSU used to power even the original Regen does make a difference as you have noted, with a low noise supply derived from perhaps a12V Li on battery performing better than transformer powered PSUs (even R-Core transformers) with some capacitive coupling to A.C. mains earth. Even connecting a supplied screen on an R-Core transformer to earth can cause a small audible degradation. Ralf11 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
yamamoto2002 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Sound quality is not so different, I like Supra for cable thickness and Zonotone for its vivid color cable skin. My friend preferred Wireworld. ifi Galvanic 3.0 works properly when I'm lucky Hi-Speed 5m cable is not suitable for audio use, once in a while stuttering happens. I use generic Hi-Speed certified USB cable 2m for reference (pictured below). It always works. My other USB cables. Svampebob 1 Sunday programmer since 1985 Developer of PlayPcmWin Link to comment
wgscott Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 6 hours ago, jabbr said: This: https://apple.news/AVZGg9EYISZOHYMy3co64yw This is how it works. They take over, one USB cable at a time, seizing control of audiophile computers everywhere. Soon very strange things start to happen after a critical tipping point comes, somewhere around late 2016. Hugo9000 1 Link to comment
Melvin Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 USB cables - AudioQuest Carbon - Belkin Gold - Black Cat Silverstar! - Blue Jeans - dB Audio Labs Essential - iFi Gemini - MHDT Lab - UpTone USPCB A>B Adapter USB power thingies - iFi iUSBPower - UpTone USB REGEN DACs - Chord Qute EX - dB Audio Labs Tranquility - MHDT Lab Pagoda - Schiit Bifrost Multibit Seems kind of excessive (or obsessive) at this point but these cables were acquired over a 10 year period of time. I’ve tried most of the cables with each DAC. My favorite and best sounding is from UpTone Audio. It's also among the most affordable on my list. Current system: mRendu > UpTone USPCB A>B Adapter > MHDT Lab Pagoda > etc. Funny, the blue iFi cable (included with the iUSBPower) is my favorite to use with the Tranquility DAC. It almost annoys me this cable beats the other pricier ones I have on hand. Almost. Link to comment
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