Bits is bits?

[RickyV]

Mr. Ed @EMM Labs we need your experience. Well I have a question, how is it possible that a USB cables can influence the SQ of a DAC? So it’s about printer usb cables vs audio designed usb cables.
Some people here think it is imaginary. Some people here think it is badly designed circuitry. What’s your thought on this?

 

If you do not want react in this thread that is okay most people here are very skeptical. 

[marce]

Between the flak, there have been some very informative posts from Miska, esldude and others, that have helped influence my view on USB DAC's, first rule a USB DAC needs a separate supply, VBUS down a cable for a DAC is not the best option.

A past life😀

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pc-based/278547-quick-audioquest-jitterbug-review.html#post4422711

[Tintinabulum]

4 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

No doubt the reason you post here, no? 🙂

No. I post for the common good. There is no evidence of ego in my posts. Your motivation for posting? Listening to your own voice? Someone's been unpleasant to you? Had a bad day? 

 

Take this site away and I wonder who the bullies would pick on, perhaps someone in the real world, so maybe it's safer here. Still ugly though.

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 minutes ago, Tintinabulum said:

No. I post for the common good. There is no evidence of ego in my posts. Your motivation for posting? Listening to your own voice? Someone's been unpleasant to you? Had a bad day? 

 

Take this site away and I wonder who the bullies would pick on, perhaps someone in the real world, so maybe it's safer here. Still ugly though.

The common good? You? Mr. MQA!

 

If you dislike it here so much, I’ll offer you a full refund of your purchase price of $0 / £0. 

[Tintinabulum]

I don't listen to MQA, currently mostly CDs.I stream FLAC. I think you meant Mr Meridian? Guilty, I bought a pair of digital active speakers in 1989, they still sound great.

 

I don't dislike it here, there are some really good guys here giving good information. There are also really offensive people who seem to be here just for that purpose, if they tried it in real life, they wouldn't get out of the playground. Safe space for abuse here.

 

Yes it's sort of your forum but it's a forum built on contributors, contributions, without them (including me) you haven't got much, a bunch of ads. Oh and the articles, mmmm.

 

I get help from this board, I also give back. That makes me a "paying member".

 

I visit, I call it as it see it. It takes a bit  more than those two lines to bait me. Give it another go?

[Daccord]

34 minutes ago, Tintinabulum said:

I post for the common good. There is no evidence of ego in my posts.

 

None at all?

[Tintinabulum]

Go dig. I'm in Brexit Land, so it's getting late...

[The Computer Audiophile]

9 minutes ago, Tintinabulum said:

I don't listen to MQA, currently mostly CDs.I stream FLAC. I think you meant Mr Meridian? Guilty, I bought a pair of digital active speakers in 1989, they still sound great.

 

I don't dislike it here, there are some really good guys here giving good information. There are also really offensive people who seem to be here just for that purpose, if they tried it in real life, they wouldn't get out of the playground. Safe space for abuse here.

 

Yes it's sort of your forum but it's a forum built on contributors, contributions, without them (including me) you haven't got much, a bunch of ads. Oh and the articles, mmmm.

 

I get help from this board, I also give back. That makes me a "paying member".

 

I visit, I call it as it see it. It takes a bit  more than those two lines to bait me. Give it another go?

As I’ve said countless times, this site is nothing without the contributions of the community. Not sure your point, other than to state the obvious. 
 

If you don’t like the articles that’s OK, you can just look at the pictures. 
 

If you’ve seen abuse here, why haven’t you reported it? We act on every report. 
 

I’ll have to search for your giving back to the community. Espousing the genius of Bob Stuart doesn’t count either. 

[sandyk]

8 hours ago, John Dyson said:

The audiophile consumer is being swindled, but they seem to enjoy and embrace it...

Hi John

 I feel certain that this does not apply to the vast majority of members of this forum who came here to learn and obtain good advice  , or for that matter the companies in the SPONSORED Forum area, no matter what a couple of other members have insinuated in recent posts . 

 

Kind Regards

Alex

[Albrecht]

4 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Hi John

 I feel certain that this does not apply to the vast majority of members of this forum who came here to learn and obtain good advice  ,

or for that matter the companies in the SPONSORED Forum area, no matter what a couple of other members have insinuated in recent posts . 

 

Kind Regards

Alex

FWIW, agree... and...

I read "swindled" to mean non functioning, - and or, - non-delivery of purchased product. Or delivering a product that is not what is paid for.

Although this does happen, - it is super rare, - and although there is "troll-fodder" for these super rare cases like the Lexicon, and JPS Labs fiasco, - the industry has a pretty good record compared to other luxury good industries.

Also, - sadly, - this is more prevalent in the consumer audio, (junk), industry and computer industry, - especially computing accessories.

[mansr]

15 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

I read "swindled" to mean non functioning

So you'd agree those Synergistic Research HFT thimbles are a scam?

[sandyk]

1 hour ago, marce said:

Between the flak, there have been some very informative posts from Miska, esldude and others, that have helped influence my view on USB DAC's, first rule a USB DAC needs a separate supply, VBUS down a cable for a DAC is not the best option.

A past life😀

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pc-based/278547-quick-audioquest-jitterbug-review.html#post4422711

 I miss YashN in this forum

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/24275-ac-filtering-grounding-boxes-linear-psu-and-balanced-power/page/68/

 

[Samuel T Cogley]

1 hour ago, Tintinabulum said:

No. I post for the common good. There is no evidence of ego in my posts.

 

I see that you're apparently immune to irony. 🙂

[Albrecht]

29 minutes ago, mansr said:

So you'd agree those Synergistic Research HFT thimbles are a scam?

Nope, - unlike the 5 or 6 anti-audiophile, naysayers, here, - i do not pass judgement, or speculate on stuff that I don't have direct experience(s) with. 

[pkane2001]

7 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

Nope, - unlike the 5 or 6 anti-audiophile, naysayers, here, - i do not pass judgement, or speculate on stuff that I don't have direct experience(s) with. 

 

Am I correct in understanding that using knowledge and understanding disqualifies one from being an audiophile then?

[sandyk]

30 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

Am I correct in understanding that using knowledge and understanding disqualifies one from being an audiophile then?

 

 Most Audiophiles don't first need to look at a music track with  Audio Editing S/W or closely examine the Data to tell them how it should sound !  

[pkane2001]

2 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 

 Most Audiophiles don't first need to look at a music track with  Audio Editing S/W or closely examine the Data to tell them how it should sound !  

 

Or examining still photos taken with a hand held camera off of a TV screen?

 

[sandyk]

15 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

Or examining still photos taken with a hand held camera off of a TV screen?

 

 What does that have to do with actually LISTENING to Audio ?

 People like yourself simply can't help themselves when it comes to first examining an Audio file before actually listening to it .  If that doesn't result in EXPECTATION BIAS then I don't know what does !

 You have already made up your mind as to how it should sound and are thus highly unlikely to hear subtle differences.

 

Anyway, this kind of thing has already been done to death on numerous occasions already, so it's a waste of time further replying and I won't be doing so .

 

 

 

[pkane2001]

1 minute ago, sandyk said:

 What does that have to do with actually LISTENING to Audio ?

 People like yourself simply can't help themselves when it comes to first examining an Audio file before actually listening to it .  If that doesn't result in EXPECTATION BIAS then I don't know what does !

 You have already made up your mind as to how it should sound and are thus highly unlikely to hear subtle differences.

 

Anyway, this kind of thing has already been done to death on numerous occasions already, so it's a waste of time further replying and I won't be doing so .

 

Calm down, Alex. It was a joke.

[Ralf11]

The real joke is that he will stop replying

[fas42]

Human hearing is quite a hard taskmaster - once it becomes sensitised to some, unwanted, unpleasant, abnormality in the sound it zooms in, aggressively, to that characteristic every time - can pick it out amongst what would be masking sounds in normal listening. And spoils the music that you're listening to ...

 

The aim is to remove every trace of those sort of anomalies ... this can be done, even though it's hard, normally. And that creates that "sense of magic" in the listening.

 

All the weird and wonderful gizmos out there are just various devices that some people have found effective in changing the subjective take on the music - no scamming is ever the intention; just a huge variety of results from various people's journeys ...

 

The good news is that more and more, thorough, 'cleaning' of the playback chain obviates the need for wacky gadgets, entirely - the recording, and the music in it can stand tall in its own right; requires no makeup or adulteration to make it acceptable. Which saves a bit of money, of course! 😄

[sandyk]

32 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

Calm down, Alex. It was a joke.

 This is what I call humorous and totally unlike anything that Ralf11 posts

 

[fas42]

Ah, Mr Bean time ... the Art is to use the barest situation to create "magic" ...

 

 

[sandyk]

1 minute ago, Rexp said:

Once you put Ralf11 and the other trolls on Ignore you'll find the whole AS experience greatly improved. 

 

 I don't like the idea of putting any of them on ignore, as most of them from time to time post something that is of interest to me.

 I was severely tempted with Donald though !

 

[elcorso]

5 hours ago, RickyV said:

Mr. Ed @EMM Labs we need your experience. Well I have a question, how is it possible that a USB cables can influence the SQ of a DAC? So it’s about printer usb cables vs audio designed usb cables.
Some people here think it is imaginary. Some people here think it is badly designed circuitry. What’s your thought on this?

 

If you do not want react in this thread that is okay most people here are very skeptical. 

 

Please remember that music is born at the source. Most of the time a computer not designed for that purpose ...

 

Roch