Staying on topic

[sandyk]

5 minutes ago, PeterSt said:

Alex, what could be hot these days (at least it would be my very subject) is that the battery will supply you 240V (48V actually) for 2days, and that when it is cloudy on top of it.

Hi Peter

 Interestingly, 48V is the nominal battery voltage of most Telephone Exchanges which are floated to a typical 52V

 Going right off topic now, but years ago Exchanges like Chatswood in Sydney then used a Motor Generator running off the 52V to provide 130V DC for the power used by the Vacuum Tube Carrier Systems of the time.

 

Alex

[PeterSt]

1 minute ago, sandyk said:

a Motor Generator running off the 52V

 

Funny. That's something else for a change.

[fas42]

23 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Hi Peter

 Interestingly, 48V is the nominal battery voltage of most Telephone Exchanges which are floated to a typical 52V

 Going right off topic now, but years ago Exchanges like Chatswood in Sydney then used a Motor Generator running off the 52V to provide 130V DC for the power used by the Vacuum Tube Carrier Systems of the time.

 

Alex

 

Would be fascinating to hear some of the stories of about how exchanges worked - and didn't work - back in the Dark Ages before NBN, Alex ... or perhaps I should say, the New Dark Ages we currently have, .

[Ralf11]

somebody rename this thread to "Straying Off Topic"

[sandyk]

11 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

somebody rename this thread to "Straying Off Topic"

 

You effectively did that way back in post 18

[One and a half]

10 hours ago, thotdoc said:

I get it, 'the group' does not want to stay on topic.

 

Thank you for responding. 

 

I was willing to try because of the experience I have related my other hobby. I race a Porsche in SCCA and the related websites, of SCCA, PCA, and Pelican Parts, provide thousands of threads related to car preparation and maintenance...all self governing related to staying very much on topic. When I need information, I get it from engineers and racers without having to read through everyone's MM. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only topic to stay on topic around here for the last few years is this one, "SACD Ripping using an Oppo or Pioneer? Yes, it's true!".

Over the three years, great contributions have seen this thread develop into new methods. Like your car forum, if there's a goal with several alternatives to achieve the same purpose, topics stay on discussion.

 

Cable threads typically, around here are infested with maggot posts, gnawing away at the flesh until nothing is left, drying up discussions one thread after the other, talk about censorship, but mostly just insults. one sentence posts, and condescending vitriol spouting knowledge as if the almighty is being quoted to try........ this used to be a fun place, now talk is mainly power supplies, and how not to screw up Euphony or other ho hum Linux efforts. 

 

Oh in this thread, all the blowflies have gathered in an impedance null, the thread that wold be more at home at Hydrogen audio, or Super Best audio Friends. Hardly original though as a similar thread is on the Roon forums.

 

In the meantime, the Ignore Thread button is getting a good work out, 13 topics in the first 20 in the General forum, mainly bickering and chaos. What's Best in Audio seems to have the right mix with hardly any flies in sight.

 

 

[marce]

LOL... Nice to see an open minded view of a public forum. The problem is science is only accepted when it supports the belief, otherwise it is denounced...

You do need to read the threads with a more open mind to see where from the vitriol flows.😀

Its only audio, a hobby enjoy it, I do.

 

[marce]

Glad I am giving you something to smile about with my posts lasker98, laughter makes the world a brighter place, you've missed on though in All linear Power, slacking, you not the best stalker!😃

[89reksal]

Just now, marce said:

Glad I am giving you something to smile about with my posts lasker98, laughter makes the world a brighter place, you've missed on though in All linear Power, slacking, you not the best stalker!😃

Lol. You're the gift that keeps on giving.

[thotdoc]

8 hours ago, One and a half said:

The only topic to stay on topic around here for the last few years is this one, "SACD Ripping using an Oppo or Pioneer? Yes, it's true!".

Over the three years, great contributions have seen this thread develop into new methods. Like your car forum, if there's a goal with several alternatives to achieve the same purpose, topics stay on discussion.

 

Cable threads typically, around here are infested with maggot posts, gnawing away at the flesh until nothing is left, drying up discussions one thread after the other, talk about censorship, but mostly just insults. one sentence posts, and condescending vitriol spouting knowledge as if the almighty is being quoted to try........ this used to be a fun place, now talk is mainly power supplies, and how not to screw up Euphony or other ho hum Linux efforts. 

 

 

It's a matter of group norms. It is up to us to tell people they are off topic and to stop posting off topic. If enough people do it, the norm will change.

[thotdoc]

On 8/1/2019 at 8:06 AM, botrytis said:

Why? Going off topic if fun......

 

 

It's fun if that's what you think is fun.  

 

What I think is fun is getting the information I need to answer the question I have and with that information fix the problem and go have fun.

[Ralf11]

16 hours ago, sandyk said:

 

You effectively did that way back in post 18

 

please don't maggot post

[thotdoc]

On 8/1/2019 at 8:23 AM, audiobomber said:

There's already an Off-Topic button. I pushed it on your post just to call your attention to this feature. 😁

Where is the off topic button?

 

Thank you

 

G

[Ralf11]

18 hours ago, thotdoc said:

..the related websites, of SCCA, PCA, and Pelican Parts, provide thousands of threads related to car preparation and maintenance...all self governing related to staying very much on topic. When I need information, I get it from engineers and racers without having to read through everyone's MM. 

 

not an appropriate analogy tho

 

e.g. Pelican has an Off-Topic section, and that section has it's own Way-Off-Topic section

 

the 911 forum on Pelican is similar to this one w.r.to threads going off-topic and I have monitored and posted there since it began about 20 years ago - not to mention that there are several moderators there

 

I have been on & off PCA for 25 years (911 and Boxster) - it is not an open forum for one thing

 

But, why not offer a way to improve this place?  For example, you could ask a question as the OP of a thread, then delete OT posts (after Chris grants you that ability).

 

I think an intro to digital audio would help some people (tho others do not want to learn - GUTB).

 

Some Threads I have started ("Best DAC under $xxx" and "Best speakers under $xxx") seem fine to me.

 

Controversial topics will often attract people with religious beliefs, and who spurn methods used to find out actual facts, so that will cause a lot of noise to infest the signal.

[thotdoc]

18 hours ago, sandyk said:

The problem was that you posted a very specific query , where very few members would have had direct experience with.

 

I still believe that for the Audio side at least, that you should consider the possibility of using direct battery power without conversion to A.C. if at all possible. You would need to get some custom built gear though.

 

It was a specific query...and if 1 person answered it and I got the information I need to solve the problem, that would be fine. 

Thank you for your input and ideas re using the battery as a source.

[thotdoc]

6 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

not an appropriate analogy tho

 

e.g. Pelican has an Off-Topic section, and that section has it's own Way-Off-Topic section

 

the 911 forum on Pelican is similar to this one w.r.to threads going off-topic and I have monitored and posted there since it began about 20 years ago - not to mention that there are several moderators there

 

I have been on & off PCA for 25 years (911 and Boxster) - it is not an open forum for one thing

 

But, why not offer a way to improve this place?  For example, you could ask a question as the OP of a thread, then delete OT posts (after Chris grants you that ability).

 

I think an intro to digital audio would help some people (tho others do not want to learn - GUTB).

 

Some Threads I have started ("Best DAC under $xxx" and "Best speakers under $xxx") seem fine to me.

 

Controversial topics will often attract people with religious beliefs, and who spurn methods used to find out actual facts, so that will cause a lot of noise to infest the signal.

We do agree that off topic is a problem.

 

I am trying to do something about it by bringing it up. My suggestion is: If you start a thread and people respond off topic, post to them in public  they are off topic.

 

If enough of us do that, then a new norm should be developed.

 

After enough of us do that, then we might approach Chris...but, the is Chris's way of making a living so I do not expect him to really engage in setting of this type of normative statement with his voice.

 

It is up to us; Chris is not our Dad.

[kumakuma]

2 minutes ago, thotdoc said:

I am trying to do something about it by bringing it up. My suggestion is: If you start a thread and people respond off topic, post to them in public  they are off topic.

 

If enough of us do that, then a new norm should be developed.

 

After enough of us do that, then we might approach Chris...but, the is Chris's way of making a living so I do not expect him to really engage in setting of this type of normative statement with his voice.

 

It is up to us; Chris is not our Dad.

 

The person starting a thread can ask Chris at any time for moderation rights allowing them to delete off topic posts.

[PeterSt]

 

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LOL... Nice to see an open minded view of a public forum. The problem is science is only accepted when it supports the belief, otherwise it is denounced...

You do need to read the threads with a more open mind to see where from the vitriol flows.😀

Its only audio, a hobby enjoy it, I do.

 

 

If that poser only could see the contradictions in about each word against the other ... (but take the 4 sentences against each other for starters).

But with the notice who posts it and what he posts (everywhere).

I explicitly do not want to make it personal - it is only explanatory for what happens day-in day-out, these days. I probably suffer myself from it just the same.

 

With such "responding" behavior each random "audio" subject/thread goes off the rails right away.

 

It could be interesting to look into a few threads and see why they go off topic. I mean, what the first post/cause is.

 

 

PS: I must apologize, @thotdoc for posting off-topic in this very thread - about the 240V battery thing. I just posted in the wrong thread (you being the originator of the Battery subject). Guilty !

 

 

 

[marce]

Sad, sad, sad.

[thotdoc]

20 hours ago, kumakuma said:

 

The person starting a thread can ask Chris at any time for moderation rights allowing them to delete off topic posts.

k-when the person who started the thread modifies it, it often becomes a flame war. I'm not interested in feeding the monster.

 

I'm after something different: An agreement by the group that we will not go off topic and when someone does go off topic, they are called out and no one responds to the off topic post. 

 

I'm trying to change the cultural norm here that going off topic is OK. 

 

G

[thotdoc]

11 hours ago, PeterSt said:

 

 

If that poser only could see the contradictions in about each word against the other ... (but take the 4 sentences against each other for starters).

But with the notice who posts it and what he posts (everywhere).

I explicitly do not want to make it personal - it is only explanatory for what happens day-in day-out, these days. I probably suffer myself from it just the same.

 

With such "responding" behavior each random "audio" subject/thread goes off the rails right away.

 

It could be interesting to look into a few threads and see why they go off topic. I mean, what the first post/cause is.

 

 

PS: I must apologize, @thotdoc for posting off-topic in this very thread - about the 240V battery thing. I just posted in the wrong thread (you being the originator of the Battery subject). Guilty !

 

 

 

Thank you. Please get behind this 'revolution'. You are a Senior Member. What would you do to help change the norm?

 

[PeterSt]

2 minutes ago, thotdoc said:

What would you do to help change the norm?

 

Nice that you ask. But there is nothing much to do if not first some heavy moderation turns around what ever back was OK.

And moderation is unwanted in this group. I suppose you know because you too are around for some longer.

 

What would help IMHO, is to moderate those who are in my view no audiophiles at all, but are in it for some technical merit (this is half-OK) and ranting (not OK) plus bashing upon those of whom they know will have less knowledge.

Let's remember that this is about going off topic only - not really about a group who explicitly molest the hobby of others (with the notice that I myself am fine as it is). So the sequence I was implying goes like this:

 

OP: I like to know what the best sounding streamer is out there.

Respondent#1: All Streamers sound the same.

Respondent#2: Of course they don't.

Respondent#1: Go back to school then. ABC is wildly known and has been deeply investigated (in 1961 whatever).

OP: I just like to know from people what their opinion is.

Respondent#1: Don't listen to #2 because he clearly knows nothing.

Respondent#2: In 1961 ??

Respondent#3: Yeah, right before the Cray was created.

Respondent#4: That was 2 decades later.

Respondent#5: No, that was the starting of the PC era.

OP: But ...

 

So see, this goes off topic at post #2. Point is: it goes like this by standard now, and the whole lot does not make any sense any more. Maybe the owner is blind - maybe he just likes it. But anyway nothing is done about it.

Back to square one would be: "and we don't want moderation".

Moods have changed into right away jumping on anything that seems funny or feels good to say. I did that in your topic about the dermatologist (keeping away the digitally informed). It is the only thing to do here, lately ... (lately = maybe 5+ years already).

 

Thus my response: there is nothing much to do if ...

 

PS: I own a smaller audio forum myself. Zero off-topic in there. This was literally "created" so. And not difficult to maintain at all. It's sensed. Corrections per year ? maybe 1. And only serious audio addicts. I suppose that matters. No shouting anywhere. Most certainly not someone who feels he is the best. I would scoff people if I'd suggest that maybe the general level is lower, which could be so. But the audio level most certainly is higher.  How come ... Well we like to learn from each other instead of teaching each other. So maybe the teaching is a great ingredient for going off topic ?

Please mind the not-so-legit generalization I seem to apply. But a few out of line are able to molest for 99% of the remainder. It just works like that. And they know it (ouch).

 

[kumakuma]

51 minutes ago, thotdoc said:

I'm after something different: An agreement by the group that we will not go off topic and when someone does go off topic, they are called out and no one responds to the off topic post. 

 

I'm trying to change the cultural norm here that going off topic is OK. 

 

Good luck with that!

 

Getting folks here to agree on anything is a losing battle.

[mansr]

[89reksal]

1 hour ago, PeterSt said:

OP: I like to know what the best sounding streamer is out there.

Respondent#1: All Streamers sound the same.

Respondent#2: Of course they don't.

Respondent#1: Go back to school then. ABC is wildly known and has been deeply investigated (in 1961 whatever).

OP: I just like to know from people what their opinion is.

Respondent#1: Don't listen to #2 because he clearly knows nothing.

Respondent#2: In 1961 ??

Respondent#3: Yeah, right before the Cray was created.

Respondent#4: That was 2 decades later.

Respondent#5: No, that was the starting of the PC era.

OP: But ...

That pretty much nails it. And always the same 4 or 5 people will be right there as Respondent#2.