Popular Post kumakuma Posted August 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2019 18 hours ago, fas42 said: The core of my thinking is that audio reproduction usually fails to deliver the impact of live music making because flaws in the integrity of the audio system generate audible anomalies which disturb the listening brain - and a convincing illusion doesn't happen. If that is a sign that I'm "full of it", perhaps you should advise all airlines to dismiss the staff that concern themselves with keeping their craft airworthy, . Your thinking assumes that recordings always accurately capture the live event. This isn't true and no turd polishing of your equipment can change this. lucretius and Teresa 2 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 14 hours ago, AnotherSpin said: What makes you believe your "knowledge" is real? it is called experimental verification of an hypothesis Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 14 hours ago, sandyk said: open mind your mind is open like a screen-door in a submarine no scientist is foolish enough to "fully investigate" well settled facts you know, stuff that is in a Textbook kumakuma 1 Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 9 hours ago, AnotherSpin said: If knowledge is updated regularly it changes regularly. Whatever changes regularly does not exist in a first hand, and couldn't be real. I can tell you aren't a scientist. Perhaps you are a Sophist. It is very difficult to show that experimentally verified theory is wrong. Usually, what happens is that the theory is applied outside its ambit, and eventually modified for these extreme cases. Examples include quantum gravity, the Lorentz Contraction, Evo-Devo, Fisher's Theorem of Natural Selection, Quantitative Genetics, and etc. I do not have any examples of modern scientific theory being completely overturned. The run of the mills electronics used in audio is nowhere near the knowledge frontier. One might argue that psycho-acoustics is, but in audiophila there are far too many psychos running about unfettered. crenca 1 Link to comment
fas42 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 13 hours ago, marce said: Load of crap. and Quote Bit like my current favourite system, SET with open baffle speakers... bad though it may be having that distortion, I prefer its presentation to a more accurate system. Thanks for allowing me to again point out where the confusion has arisen in audioland ... simply put, both the SET, and the supposedly accurate system are adding distortion, audible, to the perceived sound. The SET version is 'nice', and easily measured; the 'accurate' one is relatively unpleasant in many ways, but the anomalies making it so are hard to measure. The solution is to eliminate both distortion types - which then combines all the bits that you enjoy in the SET rig, with all the pluses of full accuracy. Link to comment
fas42 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 3 hours ago, kumakuma said: Your thinking assumes that recordings always accurately capture the live event. This isn't true and no turd polishing of your equipment can change this. Recordings have always captured enough information for the mind to reassemble the event that occurred - it may require the ear/brain to do quite a bit of "filling the gaps", and to filter out the irrelevant artifacts; but the power of what's in our head is truly astonishing if it's given half a chance ... I have been amazed so many times, myself, at how recordings that sound truly awful on a setup that constantly draws my attention to the deficiencies, radically change as an experience when the system works well enough to give my mind the ammunition to fully sort, unconsciously, what I'm hearing ... kumakuma and Teresa 2 Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Ralf11 said: it is called experimental verification of an hypothesis You may call it whatever you please, still it will not bring thinking anyway closer to understanding or describing reality. Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Ralf11 said: I can tell you aren't a scientist. Perhaps you are a Sophist. It is very difficult to show that experimentally verified theory is wrong. Usually, what happens is that the theory is applied outside its ambit, and eventually modified for these extreme cases. Examples include quantum gravity, the Lorentz Contraction, Evo-Devo, Fisher's Theorem of Natural Selection, Quantitative Genetics, and etc. I do not have any examples of modern scientific theory being completely overturned. The run of the mills electronics used in audio is nowhere near the knowledge frontier. One might argue that psycho-acoustics is, but in audiophila there are far too many psychos running about unfettered. I am not anything you will be able to specify or label. The same is true for yourself. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 I'm a scientist. But I agree that you cannot specify or understand what that means. 89reksal 1 Link to comment
89reksal Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: I'm a scientist. But I agree that you cannot specify or understand what that means. You must have a hard time getting through doorways with that head.🤣 sandyk 1 Link to comment
Popular Post daverich4 Posted August 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2019 23 hours ago, Ralf11 said: your mind is open like a screen-door in a submarine no scientist is foolish enough to "fully investigate" well settled facts you know, stuff that is in a Textbook I sure hope you aren’t actually saying that once something has been published in a textbook, that’s the last word on the subject. There are any number of “well settled facts” in the past that are now known to be false. sandyk and motberg 2 Link to comment
89reksal Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 23 hours ago, Ralf11 said: your mind is open like a screen-door in a submarine When I was about 10 years old I bought a book titled "1001 Insults" (pretty sure that was the title) and that was one of the insults. Maybe things do never change. Another one I remember was "You're about as swift as a lead balloon". Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, daverich4 said: I sure hope you aren’t actually saying that once something has been published in a textbook, that’s the last word on the subject. There are any number of “well settled facts” in the past that are now known to be false. none of them were experimentally verified - that is the difference see above I respond to posts in the spirit they were served up; if people want a rational discussion that is fine; if they want insults they get them back Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: I'm a scientist. But I agree that you cannot specify or understand what that means. Oh, it's easy. Scientist is one who believes Mozart would not create music different from any other composer only because each composer uses the same set of notes and the same lineated paper. marce 1 Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Like I said - you have no ability to understand what that means. Link to comment
pkane2001 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Just now, AnotherSpin said: Oh, it's easy. Scientist is one who believes Mozart would not create music different from any other composer only because each composer uses the same set of notes and the same lineated paper. Oh, yes! What Mozart did to music is exactly what a USB cable does to the digital data. What an excellent analogy! Where do I order one that produces a Requiem from a pure sine wave? Ralf11 1 -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: Like I said - you have no ability to understand what that means. Please do not wait in response my opinion about your abilities. First, I am too civilized, second I do not care. Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted August 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 hour ago, AnotherSpin said: Please do not wait in response my opinion about your abilities. First, I am too civilized, second I do not care. I'm having a hard time reconciling your self-image of being a civilized individual with your propensity to insult others at the drop of hat. Ralf11, Hugo9000 and sandyk 2 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 I see that manis... egregious personal attack was deleted. I suspect that explains why mansr doesn't want to have anything to do with him. sandyk 1 Link to comment
mansr Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 hour ago, AnotherSpin said: I do not care For someone who doesn't care, you sure have a lot of opinions. Link to comment
manisandher Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Ralf11 said: I see that manis... egregious personal attack was deleted. I suspect that explains why mansr doesn't want to have anything to do with him. Don't know who deleted it. Happy to put it back... sandyk 1 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 You should be ashamed of yourself. sandyk and mansr 1 1 Link to comment
mansr Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Ralf11 said: I see that manis... egregious personal attack was deleted. I suspect that explains why mansr doesn't want to have anything to do with him. For the record, Mani was nothing but friendly when we met. It was only after I refused to bow down and lick his boots in response to whatever fluke gave rise to the infamous 9/10 that he turned nasty. Guess I should have seen it coming. Link to comment
Popular Post manisandher Posted August 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 minute ago, mansr said: For the record, Mani was nothing but friendly when we met. It was only after I refused to bow down and lick his boots in response to whatever fluke gave rise to the infamous 9/10 that he turned nasty. Guess I should have seen it coming. Pathetic. sandyk and daverich4 1 1 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 are you going to tell him that he too has his head up his ... ??? you are the one who is pathetic sandyk 1 Link to comment
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