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HDMI cable Wireworld Ultraviolet 0.3m, or Audioquest Carbon 0.3m

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I need to connect Singxer SU-1 and LKS 004. I currently use Audioquest Cinnamon HDMI 0.6m. However, Nordost Valhalla AES / EBU sounds better, more dynamically, with better microdynamics. But, AES / EBU does not play a DSD signal.
So I'd like to try a better and shorter HDMI cable. I double up between Wireworld Ultraviolet 0.3m, or Audioquest Carbon 0.3m. These cables are similar in price.
Wireworld uses 24 AWG wires. Does anyone know which wire thickness uses AQ in the Carbon HDMI cable?
Has anyone compared the sound of these two cables?


My HiFi: HTPC, AudioQuest USB cable, Berkeley Alpha USB, Nordost Valhalla AES / EBU, Berkeley Alpha DAC, AudioQuest Amazon IC, Ayon Croassfire II SET integrated amplifier, Nordost Valhalla speaker cable, DIY 3 way Accuton ceramic speakers, Nordost Valhalla power cords.

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Thickness of the wire is not really important in these sort of cables... Characteristic impedance is.

Both are silver plated copper conductors and will probably pass the data unscathed, though without eye diagrams etc. you just cant tell.

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I use Wireworld Ultraviolet in my A/V system.  I should warm you that it may be difficult to use short lengths of that cable, as the flat shape makes it somewhat inflexible.  Plus I'm not actually sure shorter is better in this application.  


The WW.Ultraviolet delivered a nice bang for the buck with both audio and video.  The gains with audio were actually more noticeable than the gains in video.  I don't have any experience with AQ's HDMI cable.  The only time I compared AQ to WW was with their ethernet cables.  The WW Chroma easily bested the AQ Cinnamon.  

 

The improvement in sound quality going up one level to the WW Starlight surprised me.  It wasn't difficult to hear the difference.  On the other hand, I had trouble though seeing much of a difference in terms of video.

 

For audio, I'm not sure you need the bandwidth that the Series 7 cables provide.  There is a seller on Audigon selling 1m Starlight 5.2 cables for $40 each.  For that price it might be worth trying one.


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Guys, thank you for your answers.
It's about transferring the digital I2S signal. They say it is very important that the cable is as short as possible.
I decided to try the WW Ultraviolet 7 length of 0.3 m. The USB bridge is on the DAC, I hope I can bend the cable.


I'm also interested in an ethernet cable. I'm currently using AQ Cinnamon. If WW Chroma is better, then I'll try Chroma, or even better WW.


My HiFi: HTPC, AudioQuest USB cable, Berkeley Alpha USB, Nordost Valhalla AES / EBU, Berkeley Alpha DAC, AudioQuest Amazon IC, Ayon Croassfire II SET integrated amplifier, Nordost Valhalla speaker cable, DIY 3 way Accuton ceramic speakers, Nordost Valhalla power cords.

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Have you considered Audioquest Diamond?  The difference between the upper models of Audioquest HDMI are the quantity of silver in the cable and not thickness.


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14 hours ago, MetalNuts said:

Have you considered Audioquest Diamond?  The difference between the upper models of Audioquest HDMI are the quantity of silver in the cable and not thickness.

That cable is nearly £1,000...

 

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19 hours ago, Forgisound said:


I'm also interested in an ethernet cable. I'm currently using AQ Cinnamon. If WW Chroma is better, then I'll try Chroma, or even better WW.

 

The improvement I heard with Chroma over Cinnamon really surprised me.  They were priced about the same so I figured it would be a wash.  I had purchased the Cinnamon from a dealer who offered a 30 day return.  I was about 3 weeks into it when my WW dealer let me know that he was able to get a Chroma for me to try.  I substituted the Chroma and was surprised to notice improvements right away - but it got even better a few hours later.  I requested an RMA for the Cinnamon the next day.

 

It should be noted that I’m using a 5m length of Chroma.  A month prior to this, my dealer loaned me a 5m length of WW Starlight.  I heard an improvement but no way the improvement justified the price.  I never got to directly compare the Chroma to the Starlight, but it seemed to me that the Chroma offered a better bang for the buck.

 

I also got to try a shorter length of Platinum Starlight.  Insane the difference this made, but again I didn’t think it justified the expense.


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Amp & Speakers:  Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T

Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali power conditioner, Shunyata Alpha power cords, Shunyata Anaconda interconnect, MIT Oracle speaker cables, GIK bass traps

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On 6/3/2019 at 7:44 AM, MetalNuts said:

Jeste li razmišljali o Audioquest Diamondu? Razlika između gornjih modela Audioquest HDMI je količina srebra u kabelu, a ne debljine.

AQ Diamond is currently too expensive for me, unfortunately.

Given the position within the setup, I think the HDMI cable is at a critical point, between the USB bridge and the DAC, and the signal is time-sensitive I2S. Network cables are at the beginning, between NAS and switch and between switch and SOtM SMS 200 Ultra. I think the network protocol is not so sensitive to jitter as I2S. Or am I mistaken?


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1 hour ago, Forgisound said:

AQ Diamond is currently too expensive for me, unfortunately.

Given the position within the setup, I think the HDMI cable is at a critical point, between the USB bridge and the DAC, and the signal is time-sensitive I2S. Network cables are at the beginning, between NAS and switch and between switch and SOtM SMS 200 Ultra. I think the network protocol is not so sensitive to jitter as I2S. Or am I mistaken?

I believe so, the I2S or HDMI would be more sensitive than the LAN and a not too expensive but well shielded ethernet cable will also make a difference.  I would suggest Supra Cat 8.


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For digital cables such as these I would expect more data and some measurements (critical with digital signal transmission, wot ever your beliefs), instead they just play the marketing game, some nice profits being made along the way.

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If it does... Of course I should imagine being a £1,000 cable it will need 300 hours to break in...LOL

Its silly priced cables like these and the claims that really don't move forward the quality of music replay, but then I'm getting more jaded regarding this hobby everyday...

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12 hours ago, marce said:

For digital cables such as these I would expect more data and some measurements (critical with digital signal transmission, wot ever your beliefs), instead they just play the marketing game, some nice profits being made along the way.

 

Weird of them to expect people to judge the value of their products by actually trying them.  


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Amp & Speakers:  Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T

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Well we are talking about a digital cable and the ONLY way to know whether it is performing is by measurement, its also a well overpriced audiophile cable (value is not a word I would use with this cable, profit margin and huge would be more appropriate), so I would expect to see some data to support the price and claims...

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A Belden  bonded-pair HDMI cable is the only way to go.

When it comes to high frequency cables of all sorts, Belden is all about science & engineering. Stay away from audiophile alternate universe nonsense.

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On 6/6/2019 at 4:23 PM, Speedskater said:

A Belden  bonded-pair HDMI cable is the only way to go.

When it comes to high frequency cables of all sorts, Belden is all about science & engineering. Stay away from audiophile alternate universe nonsense.

 

Upon which measurements do you base this recommendation?  Which measurements would the OP use to judge the Belden as “the only way to go” for his application?  And have you ever confirmed through listening comparisons that Belden HDMI cables offer superior sound quality to the cables the OP mentioned?  And do you have any evidence that proves that the cables the OP mentioned are inferior to the Belden?  


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Amp & Speakers:  Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T

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Transmitting Ethernet baseband signals is a mature discipline, with many years of research behind it.  Signal integrity is well understood as are the means of achieving the required signal integrity and EMC compliance.

In this case a network analyser would be the tool of choice.

The question should be which offers the best digital signal transmission.

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10 hours ago, marce said:

Transmitting Ethernet baseband signals is a mature discipline, with many years of research behind it.  Signal integrity is well understood as are the means of achieving the required signal integrity and EMC compliance.

In this case a network analyser would be the tool of choice.

The question should be which offers the best digital signal transmission.

 

Would you direct me to a HDMI cable that has published specs that confirm that it “offers the best digital signal transmission”?   


Digital:  Innuos Zenith Std Mk2 > Shunyata Alpha USB > Chord Hugo M-Scaler > Shunyata Alpha S/PDIF > Chord Hugo TT2 

Amp & Speakers:  Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T

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Good place to start is the HDMI.org site.

https://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx

 

One would hope that every cable labelled as HDMI is engineered to the HDMI spec... I have used a range of HDMI cables for video and monitors, but now use display port. I have seen some issues with a cheap cable, you could use it for sewing it was that thin... But all the others have performed the same, certainly visually, I spend all day in front of monitors and correct display is critical. I use decent cables, but one that cost's more than a monitor, or a decent DAC does seem excessive...

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3 hours ago, marce said:

Good place to start is the HDMI.org site.

https://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx

 

One would hope that every cable labelled as HDMI is engineered to the HDMI spec... I have used a range of HDMI cables for video and monitors, but now use display port. I have seen some issues with a cheap cable, you could use it for sewing it was that thin... But all the others have performed the same, certainly visually, I spend all day in front of monitors and correct display is critical. I use decent cables, but one that cost's more than a monitor, or a decent DAC does seem excessive...

I've encountered one HDMI cable (came bundled with something) that wasn't quite up to scratch, failing intermittently with some combinations of devices while working OK with others. Never had a problem with random £5 cables from Amazon.

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On 6/8/2019 at 2:53 AM, kennyb123 said:

 And have you ever confirmed through listening comparisons that Belden HDMI cables offer superior sound quality to the cables the OP mentioned?

If you can hear a difference in a simple listening comparison of HDMI cables, you have a big problem somewhere in your system.

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4 hours ago, Speedskater said:

If you can hear a difference in a simple listening comparison of HDMI cables, you have a big problem somewhere in your system.

 

Occam might suggest otherwise. 

 

The system in which I evaluated these cables was my very modest AV system.  The comparisons were done with the cable between a DirecTV receiver, an Onkyo receiver and an LG OLED TV.  I had two 2m runs of 4 cables: 1) Monoprice HDMI, 2) WW Island, 3) WW Ultraviolet, 4) WW Starlight.  The receiver does switching duties so it was the simple case of DirecTV > Onkyo > OLED.

 

The first rounds were done with an NFL TV game playing that was recorded onto my DVR.  That allowed me to fast forward and rewind.

 

i didn’t set out to evaluate audio... it was only the picture I cared about.  It actually came as a surprise the improvement to the clarity of speaking voices through my Polk center channel.  I’ve intentionally kept the audio quality low budget in that system - and yet was surprised to notice a difference. But of course your worldview can’t permit that, so I know I’ve wasted time responding to you. Hopefully others will benefit.

 

Some of the drive-by snark that some do here comes off as virtue signaling.  No real effort to try to be helpful.  

 

Thanks though to those who made helpful contributions.


Digital:  Innuos Zenith Std Mk2 > Shunyata Alpha USB > Chord Hugo M-Scaler > Shunyata Alpha S/PDIF > Chord Hugo TT2 

Amp & Speakers:  Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T

Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali power conditioner, Shunyata Alpha power cords, Shunyata Anaconda interconnect, MIT Oracle speaker cables, GIK bass traps

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