gryphongryph Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Hi guys, I asked this in an other forum, but thought that this forum would be more appropriate. Got me a late 2012 Mac mini with 16GB of ram, a 500GB ssd and a 1TB normal HD. I am running the OS and Roon from the ssd, my music library is on a 2TB ext HD connected to the mini with FireWire 800.My question is this, when connecting my dac to the mini, is there, between the 3 USB port, one that is better sounding ? Like it used to be on the old Mac Book Pro ?Thanks. Link to comment
kirkmc Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Better sounding? I write about Macs, music, and more at Kirkville. Author of Take Control of macOS Media Apps. Co-host of The Next Track podcast. Link to comment
gryphongryph Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share Posted May 15, 2019 Yes, The old MacBook Pro 2009 model had 2 ports, one sounding much better that the other, just wondering if the ports on the Mac Mini are different sounding or the all are the same. Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I believe each of four USB ports fits well for connecting the DAC. However, you should avoid DAC on the same Bus with Bluetooth Controller. To check this you may open apple icon top left > About This Mac > System Report... > Hardware > USB. If you see DAC in the same Bus with Bluetooth Controller use another USB port and check again. tmtomh 1 Link to comment
gryphongryph Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share Posted May 15, 2019 Thanks, will check that when I have time tomorrow, why did I not think of that!!! Much appreciated. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 can I convince you to try a device in between your computer and your DAC that provides galvanic isolation? use something you can return if your DAC doesn't "need" it Link to comment
gryphongryph Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share Posted May 15, 2019 Have been using the Intona usb isolator. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Then you should be fine. Use the most convenient USB port, tho it won't hurt to use one 'distant' from Bluetooth. Time/$$ put into noise isolation for the DAC will likely be more worthwhile. Acoustics will likely be much more worthwhile. Link to comment
GregWormald Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Wouldn't turning Bluetooth off have the same effect? Link to comment
Superdad Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 On 5/14/2019 at 7:06 PM, gryphongryph said: My question is this, when connecting my dac to the mini, is there, between the 3 USB port, one that is better sounding ? Yes, on the Mac mini (2012 for sure), ports #1 and #3 give markedly better SQ than ports #2 and #4. (Calling port #1 the furthest to the outside of the case, and port #4 the one closest to the mid-line of the machine, next to the miniDisplayPort.) Compare them for yourself. UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
gryphongryph Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 Thanks, much appreciated. Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Superdad said: Yes, on the Mac mini (2012 for sure), ports #1 and #3 give markedly better SQ than ports #2 and #4. (Calling port #1 the furthest to the outside of the case, and port #4 the one closest to the mid-line of the machine, next to the miniDisplayPort.) Compare them for yourself. Which one is better between two - #1 and #3? 😏 Link to comment
Superdad Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, AnotherSpin said: Which one is better between two - #1 and #3? 😏 In my comparisons #1 and #3 bought sound equally good. #2 and #4 had the same disturbing qualities. It was a long time ago, so I can't recall well enough to be more descriptive. UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Superdad said: In my comparisons #1 and #3 bought sound equally good. #2 and #4 had the same disturbing qualities. It was a long time ago, so I can't recall well enough to be more descriptive. I was trying to find out the same years ago as well. Just by accident (or not) I have DAC connected to #3 now and for a while. All other ports used for connecting external drives. Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Very interesting! DAC was connected to port #3 (it was ok, as per @Superdad suggestion), but there was external HDs on the same Bus with DAC, accordingly to System Hardware report. I thought it was not a big deal as far as Bluetooth Controller kept separate on other Bus. Nevertheless, I decided to re-connect DAC to port #1, just for comparison. All three other ports are used for connecting external HDs, BUT, this time system report shows DAC on separate Bus. One thread to DAC, second to BT Controller and third to HDs. After this I hear discernible improvement in sound. Less noisy, more clean and natural. If I understand and explain it correct, two things should be checked and insured: DAC on port#1 and on separate Bus without anything else in the same thread. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 what DAC? and any other devices in the chain? Link to comment
Superdad Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 On 5/17/2019 at 6:50 AM, AnotherSpin said: Very interesting! DAC was connected to port #3 (it was ok, as per @Superdad suggestion), but there was external HDs on the same Bus with DAC... Sorry but USB drive attachment on a DAC-connected Mac mini is the worst of all choices SQ-wise for music storage connection. Please read this report (which is readily corroborated by others and can be by your own experiments): UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, Superdad said: Sorry but USB drive attachment on a DAC-connected Mac mini is the worst of all choices SQ-wise for music storage connection. Please read this report (which is readily corroborated by others and can be by your own experiments): I remember this post from long time ago...) In fact, in my much simplified present audio set it makes no audible difference whether files are taken to mac mini from external HD, or from SD card, or from mac mini SSD. Maybe because of regen, or because my Gungnir Multibit DAC immune to this?) Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted May 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2019 or maybe because the "test" results are meaningless due to lack of controls or... lack of statistical validity or... the "subtle" differences (if any) escaped you tmtomh and esldude 2 Link to comment
Paul R Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Is this coming from the old problem of finding a USB port that was not shared with another device? That really did give better sound back a while ago. I am am not at all sure it actually still applies today, but maybe in a 2012 machine... Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Ralf11 said: or maybe because the "test" results are meaningless due to lack of controls or... lack of statistical validity or... the "subtle" differences (if any) escaped you If differences escaped I am more than happy) And, only control valid for me is my perception which tells me "no difference". Of course I think it is quite pointless to check my perception with this or other whatthefuckmeter...) Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 No, a control in an experiment is not a measurement. Perceptions are highly variable. If you will buy a good bottle of Scotch I will administer some to you at your next listening session, as a test. Link to comment
wgscott Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Shouldn't the four ports on a computer be numbered 0 through 3? Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Ralf11 said: No, a control in an experiment is not a measurement. Perceptions are highly variable. If you will buy a good bottle of Scotch I will administer some to you at your next listening session, as a test. I do not drink alcohol. If perceptions are highly variable (and they are) there is no reason to look for "better" port or "better" type of connection – perception will necessarily adapt to any. Link to comment
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