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Article: AXPONA 2019 Sights & Sounds Part 1


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That clip of the Elac setup exhibits the classic shortcomings of most audio systems - inability to get the treble right ... the cymbal splashes are miles from being correct, and there is an overall choked, 'thick' quality to the SQ - not the fault of the speakers, but weaknesses in the driving chain.

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1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Here you go again. Judging systems based on YouTube videos. 

 

So, the qualities I mentioned are due to

 

A) The microphone and ADC of the recorder?

 

B) YouTube degradation?

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1 hour ago, joelha said:

No.

 

C. They're due to you're not having been there.

 

Joel

 

That's why all recordings are such a poor substitute for the real thing - if you are not actually in the room where the microphones are operating when capturing live music making you have no way of knowing what the performance was like ... ^_^.

 

I find it ridiculous that musisicians can listen to a midfi unit, and claim to pick what the quality of playing was like - obviously, they're fooling themselves; only direct exposure to the actual sound waves can allow them to discern what actually occurred, :).

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YouTube and current recording technology, even low end items, are perfectly adequate for revealing issues with the sound being produced in some location. Would you like me to point to a few videos, where, miracle upon miracle, the stellar quality of the reproduction is indeed obvious?

 

Yes, every aspect of the sound won't be evident - but that's not the point; if a clear lacking is there, and obvious - the job's been done. And, as women are happy to point out, size has very little to do with it ... :).

 

Music lovers are indeed very fortunate that recording technology, no matter how 'crude', does a remarkably good job of capturing what sound existed in a particular space - the real failures are aways, always on the playback side - as evidenced by the spectacular audible results achieved by rigs working at the higher levels.

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Sarcasm, my friend ... :).

 

I can tell an audio system from live music making - meaning, the rig is getting things wrong - it's when you are having trouble picking it from a clip that you know that key elements are 'right'.

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16 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

I wasn't being sarcastic.

 

If a recording of live musicians is a "poor substitute for the real thing" then a recording of an audio system, especially one done with an iPhone at an audio show, is also going to be a "poor substitute for the real thing" and the fact that you claim to be able to diagnosis what's wrong or right with that audio system based on a recording done under those conditions is, to me, pure nonsense.

 

But I was, in the earlier post of mine you quoted  ...

 

I don't diagnose what's right, I merely listen for the sense of it being 'wrong' - nearly everyone has no trouble identifying whether the sound they can hear coming from source unknown is a hifi, or real musicians - what I have is the awareness of what it is in the qualities of what I'm hearing that are the giveaways as to the identify of the sound making - something that everyone can learn.

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16 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

You are wrong.  It sounds JUST FINE. 

 

 

(I will however acknowledge it might sound better with high end electrostatics or ribbon/planar speakers.)

 

It doesn't sound "JUST FINE "; it sounds like an audio system - which is what the problem is ...

 

Also, it would sound better if the driving chain was better sorted - I'm certain that Elac speakers would have no trouble knocking your socks off, if fed a better class of signal - but the industry has got in its head that lower cost speakers must use lower cost preceding electronics - it's how the universe is meant to work, :P.

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