fas42 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 That clip of the Elac setup exhibits the classic shortcomings of most audio systems - inability to get the treble right ... the cymbal splashes are miles from being correct, and there is an overall choked, 'thick' quality to the SQ - not the fault of the speakers, but weaknesses in the driving chain. opus101 1 Link to comment
fas42 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Here you go again. Judging systems based on YouTube videos. So, the qualities I mentioned are due to A) The microphone and ADC of the recorder? B) YouTube degradation? Link to comment
fas42 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 hour ago, joelha said: No. C. They're due to you're not having been there. Joel That's why all recordings are such a poor substitute for the real thing - if you are not actually in the room where the microphones are operating when capturing live music making you have no way of knowing what the performance was like ... . I find it ridiculous that musisicians can listen to a midfi unit, and claim to pick what the quality of playing was like - obviously, they're fooling themselves; only direct exposure to the actual sound waves can allow them to discern what actually occurred, . Link to comment
fas42 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 YouTube and current recording technology, even low end items, are perfectly adequate for revealing issues with the sound being produced in some location. Would you like me to point to a few videos, where, miracle upon miracle, the stellar quality of the reproduction is indeed obvious? Yes, every aspect of the sound won't be evident - but that's not the point; if a clear lacking is there, and obvious - the job's been done. And, as women are happy to point out, size has very little to do with it ... . Music lovers are indeed very fortunate that recording technology, no matter how 'crude', does a remarkably good job of capturing what sound existed in a particular space - the real failures are aways, always on the playback side - as evidenced by the spectacular audible results achieved by rigs working at the higher levels. Link to comment
fas42 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 It also helps having 35 years experience being interested in, and exploring aspects of sound reproduction that most people ignore, and always having one's ideas reinforced or fine tuned by the results ... . Link to comment
fas42 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Sarcasm, my friend ... . I can tell an audio system from live music making - meaning, the rig is getting things wrong - it's when you are having trouble picking it from a clip that you know that key elements are 'right'. Link to comment
fas42 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, kumakuma said: I wasn't being sarcastic. If a recording of live musicians is a "poor substitute for the real thing" then a recording of an audio system, especially one done with an iPhone at an audio show, is also going to be a "poor substitute for the real thing" and the fact that you claim to be able to diagnosis what's wrong or right with that audio system based on a recording done under those conditions is, to me, pure nonsense. But I was, in the earlier post of mine you quoted ... I don't diagnose what's right, I merely listen for the sense of it being 'wrong' - nearly everyone has no trouble identifying whether the sound they can hear coming from source unknown is a hifi, or real musicians - what I have is the awareness of what it is in the qualities of what I'm hearing that are the giveaways as to the identify of the sound making - something that everyone can learn. Link to comment
fas42 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: You are wrong. It sounds JUST FINE. (I will however acknowledge it might sound better with high end electrostatics or ribbon/planar speakers.) It doesn't sound "JUST FINE "; it sounds like an audio system - which is what the problem is ... Also, it would sound better if the driving chain was better sorted - I'm certain that Elac speakers would have no trouble knocking your socks off, if fed a better class of signal - but the industry has got in its head that lower cost speakers must use lower cost preceding electronics - it's how the universe is meant to work, . Link to comment
Popular Post fas42 Posted May 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2019 (sigh) ... let's go back a touch. The Avantgarde rig is Chris's choice as best in show, here, and at least a couple of people noted that the capture by Chris of the sound, in those terrible hotel rooms, and ambient noise, isn't the shi!ttiest SQ they have ever heard - would the Elac rig, playing exactly the same track, sound exactly like that - and if not, why not? Is it a normal crappy recording, distorted by the Avantgarde rig, to make it sound better than it really is? Or are you listening to the actual recording, with minimal adulteration by the playback chain? opus101 and Summit 2 Link to comment
fas42 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Anyone who can throw the word "mellifluous" into the conversation, in a casual, relaxed way, is my kinda guy ... Link to comment
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