Popular Post BrokeLinuxPhile Posted April 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2019 Ever argue with a flat earther? Isn't fun after a while and just leaves you with a really bad headache. You aren't changing their mind. AudioDoctor, Don Hills, crenca and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Popular Post Sonicularity Posted April 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, BrokeLinuxPhile said: Ever argue with a flat earther? Isn't fun after a while and just leaves you with a really bad headache. You aren't changing their mind. At a convention with participants that believe they benefit from the idea of a flat Earth, whether they truly think the Earth is flat or not, in a room with a flat floor. (they brought a level to show proof) crenca and AudioDoctor 2 Link to comment
Popular Post mrvco Posted April 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2019 Where would MQA be today if it were not for being 'free and optional' to Tidal HiFi subscribers? There's a reason why Tidal isn't charging extra for MQA and Qobuz Studio costs $5/month more than Tidal HiFi. I'd love to know how many MQA downloads that ProStudioMasters has sold when the 192/24 FLAC and AIFF versions are the same exact price. crenca, ShawnC and Ishmael Slapowitz 2 1 -- My Audio System Link to comment
crenca Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 minute ago, mansr said: I once argued with a scientologist. He ended up getting banned from the pub. I understand the post-Shannon reality of the afterlife is mentioned on p. 126 as well as p. 267... Thuaveta 1 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
Popular Post ShawnC Posted April 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, mrvco said: Where would MQA be today if it were not for being 'free and optional' to Tidal HiFi subscribers? There's a reason why Tidal isn't charging extra for MQA and Qobuz Studio costs $5 more than Tidal HiFi. I used both services top tiers for awhile with a MQA dac. Qobuz in general sounded better and I knew what I was getting. With MQA nothing is clearly labeled or truthful. Qobuz is straightforward and won me over. AudioDoctor, phosphorein, mrvco and 1 other 3 1 Computer setup - Roon/Qobuz - PS Audio P5 Regenerator - HIFI Rose 250A Streamer - Emotiva XPA-2 Harbeth P3ESR XD - Rel R-528 Sub Comfy Chair - Schitt Jotunheim - Meze Audio Empyrean w/Mitch Barnett's Accurate Sound FilterSet Link to comment
Thuaveta Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, crenca said: I understand the post-Shannon reality of the afterlife is mentioned on p. 126 as well as p. 267... I understand that the founder speaks in a soft, assured voice, and will claim to unblur your reality, if you give him a lot of money, by hooking you up to a pair of electrified soup cans. He apparently also claims to be some sort of scientist. crenca 1 Link to comment
Paul R Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 hour ago, mansr said: I once argued with a scientologist. He ended up getting banned from the pub. Long story short, I "rescued" a good friend from a Scientology "church" many years ago. I mean, I was just barely out of high school then. Those people were crazy, working 80 hour weeks to get free "auditing" and only getting paid $20-$30. Sometimes less. Crazy! So I spent two months down there - being a good little scientologist - until we could arrange to bring him home. It was unpleasant. But my friend went on to be quite successful in life, once he got over the idea of being some super mind reading cleared operating theta thing. Funny, he never could read my mind. Not once. Still have not found anyone who could read my mind - despite a lot of people claiming to. But most of those Scientologists could drink most people under the table, and ended up wining arguments. Never saw one get thrown out of or banned from a bar. Saw a lot of other people get bounced though. Does that sort to bring any parallels to this nonsensical MQA thing? There is a lot of loudmouthed internet shouting going on, and very few people willing to stand up and oppose it in person. You, I understand, are in Europe. That is a good reason not to be there. But the other people who make unrelentingly stupid comments and can't back up their claims? Don't show up even to say they went and listened, much less touted their vicious opposition? Jerks, at best. -Paul mrvco 1 Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted April 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Paul R said: ...You, I understand, are in Europe. ... No, he's in England. PeterSt and Kyhl 2 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted April 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Paul R said: What's the old saying? Put up or shut up. All the people so hot to oppose MQA, and nobody shows up to even ask a "hard" question? Please. Paul With the exception of several members including Chris and Rt66indierock, most are just Keyboard Warriors, so what do you expect ? Perhaps somebody should have sponsored a visit by Mansr, who sure as hell can ask them the hard questions and provide evidence,, however, they would be highly likely to find a way to fob him off with excuses including confidential NDAs . Ishmael Slapowitz, mav52 and daverich4 1 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Paul R Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, sandyk said: Paul With the exception of several members including Chris and Rt66indierock, most are just Keyboard Warriors, so what do you expect ? Perhaps somebody should have sponsored a visit by Mansr, who sure as hell can ask them the hard questions and provide evidence,, however, they would be highly likely to find a way to fob him off with excuses including confidential NDAs . That I would have paid a few bucks toward. Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
Paul R Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 36 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: No, he's in England. Well, still part of the E.U. as of today, but I take your point. Ralf11 1 Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
fas42 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 8 hours ago, crenca said: MQA ends with a whimper: https://www.stereophile.com/comment/583061#comment-583061 Have to admit that's a pretty hilarious read ... 👍 Ishmael Slapowitz 1 Link to comment
crenca Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 You see @Thuaveta, @The Computer Audiophile& @Rt66indierockhave a point that it's best to let these guys talk so that we can see how they really think: https://www.stereophile.com/comment/583088#comment-583088 " ...the same diversity that has democratized music distribution now makes it difficult for any technology to become an industry standard and MQA may not succeed for that very reason. Which is too bad..." Right now he is violation of Stereophile's posting rules by not declaring his industry affiliation. Perhaps we will see who he represents soon... Indydan 1 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
Thuaveta Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 4 hours ago, crenca said: " ...the same diversity that has democratized music distribution now makes it difficult for any technology to become an industry standard and MQA may not succeed for that very reason. Which is too bad..." One would guess that genius never heard of h.265... (and if there was any doubt to the validity of the imbecile's claim, or how imbecilistic it actually is, someone graphed technological adoption . Clearly, there's an adoption problem with new technologies because of industries failing to agree on standards). 4 hours ago, crenca said: Right now he is violation of Stereophile's posting rules by not declaring his industry affiliation. Perhaps we will see who he represents soon... May I remind you that as long as he's drinking the MQA kool-aid, it doesn't matter to Bob's friends if he's anonymous. Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted April 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Ishmael Slapowitz said: answer the question after you dismount from your high horse. 🤣 Paul has been around here a long time and doesn't need to answer. Do you not see how silly it is everytime someone says something you regard as positive about MQA to immediately accuse them of being paid for their posts? Should we ask you who is paying you every time we don't agree with you? opus101 and Thuaveta 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
NOMBEDES Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 21 hours ago, crenca said: Yes, now that we are post technical with MQA and understand that it is almost as pure of an audiophile voodoo lump as can be, what's the point in engaging in a pseudo technical debate or Q&A with them and their supporters? It's better in a diverse and sometimes subtle (sometimes not) way keep them talking about the wider things such as how they see themselves in the voodoo market, what they really think about consumers, etc. "Post Technical" I love it. Just like Post Truth! In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake ~ Sayre's Law Link to comment
Popular Post shtf Posted April 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 2:34 PM, crenca said: Yes, now that we are post technical with MQA and understand that it is almost as pure of an audiophile voodoo lump as can be, what's the point in engaging in a pseudo technical debate or Q&A with them and their supporters? It's better in a diverse and sometimes subtle (sometimes not) way keep them talking about the wider things such as how they see themselves in the voodoo market, what they really think about consumers, etc. Excellent job with your little exchange over on the Stereophile MQA thread, crenca. Though I'm not sure about the "Post technical" thought or mind set as I actually consider that a dangerous concept and for the following reasons: 1. With as much as MQA has invested into their 3-legged race horse, the number of personalities who sold themselves out as well as selling out entire industries, ain't nothin' over 'til it's over. I heard it once said 20 some years ago by I think it was constitutional lawyer Alan Dershowitz of the ACLU, "They (ACLU) never lose. They just keep coming back again and again until they finally win." The point being that I perceive MQA and their co-conspirators have already exhibited shameless, tireless, and relentless pursuit to make MQA the new standard. 2. Although I have every reason to believe MQA is sonically inferior, just as Peter Moncrieff of IAR said that the naive listener may actually prefer MQA, MQA will never die of natural causes because of its sonic inferiority. Just too many enthusiasts who could never punch their way out of a musical bag if their lives depended on it - including types like Atkinson and Austin. IOW, MQA will only die due to its technical inferiorities, never its sonic inferiorities. For these reasons alone, I suspect any "post technical" mindset is not a good thought or strategy. In fact, I'd suggest one of you technically-inclined types who dug into the bowels of MQA to reverse engineer, etc. should consider coming up with a bulletized executive summary sheet listing all of MQA's failures, shortcomings, etc. so that it becomes far easier to cut'n paste MQA's failures and shortcomings so it becomes overwhelming clear to the casual reader how far short of the technical mark MQA really is. Anyway, my 2-cents. Again, good job in your comments and demeanor on that Stereophile MQA thread. Nikhil and Shadders 2 The more I dabble with extreme forms of electrical mgmt. and extreme forms of vibration mgmt., the more I’m convinced it’s all just variations of managing mechanical energy. Or was it all just variations of managing electrical energy? No, it’s all just variations of mechanical energy. Wait. It's all just variations of managing electrical energy. -Me Link to comment
Popular Post Miska Posted April 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 11:29 PM, Paul R said: What's the old saying? Put up or shut up. All the people so hot to oppose MQA, and nobody shows up to even ask a "hard" question? Please. At least I don't see a point of traveling from Finland to US to argue in event like this, sorry... It wouldn't change my opinion, and unlikely theirs either. Shadders, Teresa, asdf1000 and 1 other 4 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Popular Post Miska Posted April 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 7:42 PM, crenca said: MQA ends with a whimper: https://www.stereophile.com/comment/583061#comment-583061 Interesting claim... Quote I've read many of the "MQA is Vaporware" threads on forums and while they enjoy being big fish in a small pond, none of the posters I read have credentials to demonstrate that they have done anything notable to advance the art of digital audio reproduction. In particular, they seem unaware of the damage done to digital audio quality in the time domain by cascading random, sub-optimum A/D and D/A conversion low pass filters which is the situation today for almost all PCM recordings. But since they have never done the hard work of designing A/D and D/A converters that reduce time domain distortion and don’t have that first-hand knowledge, they simply shout accusations about MQA without understanding that a major contribution of MQA is the reduction of time domain distortion. Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/mqa-master-class#ApXGkZLKiUkAkjRo.99 I think I have done something in exactly that area, but of course "notable" being subjective term without explicit objective scale. And it doesn't require creating a new proprietary audio delivery format with "origami folding" added distortion and reduced resolution, with encryption/DRM properties. But this has all been discussed before. They should stick to creating better A/D and D/A converters and not mess with content delivery, and everything would be cool. Teresa, Confused, Thuaveta and 2 others 5 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Paul R Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Miska said: At least I don't see a point of traveling from Finland to US to argue in event like this, sorry... It wouldn't change my opinion, and unlikely theirs either. It is the 21st century... video conference works great, and is available at almost no cost. Thuaveta 1 Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
Popular Post Thuaveta Posted April 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Paul R said: It is the 21st century... video conference works great, and is available at almost no cost. So does email, and so does candidly, and honestly, engaging on forums, and in, and with, publications, including peer-reviewed. All of which MQA, ltd have had multiple opportunities to do, and none of which they have shown any interest in. mansr, Paul R, crenca and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
Paul R Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Aw - what’s the use? Deleted because I have other things to do other than try to point out the same things yet again. Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
crenca Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 8 hours ago, shtf said: For these reasons alone, I suspect any "post technical" mindset is not a good thought or strategy. In fact, I'd suggest one of you technically-inclined types who dug into the bowels of MQA to reverse engineer, etc. should consider coming up with a bulletized executive summary sheet listing all of MQA's failures, shortcomings, etc. so that it becomes far easier to cut'n paste MQA's failures and shortcomings so it becomes overwhelming clear to the casual reader how far short of the technical mark MQA really is. On this, we could do something with this thread (update, organize, revise, start over): shtf 1 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
kumakuma Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Paul R said: It is the 21st century... video conference works great, and is available at almost no cost. How would video conferencing allow Miska to attend and ask questions at a live trade show event like this? I don't think he has access to a telepresence robot. Paul R 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post Miska Posted April 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Paul R said: It is the 21st century... video conference works great, and is available at almost no cost. Was there such thing? I find email much better, of forum posts, works better in different time zones and doesn't tie one down at any particular time. And I don't what or why I would want to talk with MQA people in first place. asdf1000, kumakuma and mansr 3 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
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