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[Ralf11]

But what is really strange is the idea that someone with a claim of a better mouse trap does not offer ANY evidence for that claim.

 

I like to buy from companies that do listening tests on their designs before they release them.

 

In the most recent ("Cable God") example - which has engendered a lot of posts here after the voluminous cable thread was closed - someone designed a cable but apparently did no listening tests.  Since IC cables are highly unlikely to make any difference in SQ, based on scientific & engineering studies, any claims to superiority in SQ (not reliability) need to be based on listening tests.

 

It does not matter much if you are an expert.  Many fine scientists have made ridiculous claims that are unsupported by data (Wm. Shockley is one egregious example) - look him up.  What really counts is an experiment; in this case, a listening test.

 

In defense of the cable guy, he does offer a return privilege, so anyone who wants to can try them out and keep or return based on SQ, or confirmation bias or on visual esthetics.

 

Finally, someone posting their impressions on SQ which are not derived from a real listening test AND that contravene well established science on audio reproduction should expect to be challenged.  Whining is not going to change reality.

[Rt66indierock]

15 minutes ago, Dutch said:

 

I’m curious, who do you call or go see at the golf track when you need a new toothbrush? 

 

What a silly question I get mine free.

[Dutch]

20 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

Whining is not going to change reality.

 

Nor will “whining” change the reality these and other ‘high-end’ cables will be made, marketed, sold and enjoyed everywhere on this world.

 

You audiophile cable hating extremists will lose the battle, always, no doubt.

[Ralf11]

2 minutes ago, Dutch said:

 

Nor will “whining” change the reality these and other ‘high-end’ cables will be made, marketed, sold and enjoyed everywhere on this world.

 

You audiophile cable haters extremists will loose the battle, always, no doubt.

 

 

chill, muffy

 

and use that down time to work on word choice in the English language - I would not want to see you become a looser

[mansr]

17 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

But what is really strange is the idea that someone with a claim of a better mouse trap does not offer ANY evidence for that claim.

But it's made of solid gold. Of course it's better.

[Ralf11]

depends on the grain structure, man

[mansr]

19 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

It does not matter much if you are an expert.  Many fine scientists have made ridiculous claims that are unsupported by data (Wm. Shockley is one egregious example) - look him up.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

[Dutch]

3 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

 

chill, muffy

 

and use that down time to work on word choice in the English language - I would not want to see you become a looser

 

Next time you reply in Dutch and see how you fare! 😆

[crenca]

21 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

I was literally shocked at how hard he worked to avoid any substantive technical discussion. And he wasted a LOT of keystrokes on jibber jabber.  Some people were like, "oh my god, can't you guys be nice to the cable god?"  I felt more like I was looking at a naked emperor.

 

He is certainly on the verbose side when it comes to the confidence game - this in a game that relies on verbosity to wear down and confuse those whom you are trying to sell to.

[kumakuma]

Just now, Dutch said:

 

Next time you reply in Dutch and see how you fare! 😆

 

Thanks for reenforcing the reputation that the Dutch have for being rude direct.

[Ralf11]

I like all the Dutch girls I've met.

 

also, word choice issue retracted due to language

[mansr]

Just now, kumakuma said:

Thanks for reenforcing the reputation that the Dutch have for being rude direct.

It must be limited to Dutch audiophools. I know plenty of Dutch people who are nothing like this.

[Dutch]

4 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

I like all the Dutch girls I've met.

 

I for sure, did not! 🙈

 

5 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

also, word choice issue retracted due to language

 

Well thanks, I guess, I did make two corrections though.

 

8 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Thanks for reenforcing the reputation that the Dutch have for being rude direct.

 

You’re welcome. Yeah we’re all like that. We also all wear wooden shoes, live in windmills and smoke weed all day.

[crenca]

2 hours ago, manisandher said:

 

I don't need studies to know that cables sound different to me. (I suspect there are many people here who share this sentiment.)

 

I could be imaging it. Yet, all the expensive cables I own (bought before the kids came along) sit boxed up in my basement. They simply don't sound as good as the much cheaper cables I currently use. The same is true of the amps I own, and a whole bunch of USB cables.

 

This expectation bias malarkey is a really, really strange thing.

 

Mani.

 

That's just it, your imagining it.  So much depends on you (everything - your health, your mood, your expectations, the beer you are drinking) that without an external control - even if it is "subjective" like a collection of experienced listeners who independently evaluate - significant differences (good or bad) among otherwise in spec cables are just not probable.

[Ralf11]

7 minutes ago, Dutch said:

 

You’re welcome. Yeah we’re all like that. We also all wear wooden shoes, live in windmills and smoke weed all day.

 

visit Orygun and you'll see the same thing

 

Dutch girls have got to be better than German...

(personality wise, I mean)

[kumakuma]

11 minutes ago, Dutch said:

You’re welcome. Yeah we’re all like that. We also all wear wooden shoes, live in windmills and smoke weed all day.

 

You're absolutely right. The character of a nation shouldn't be defined by the actions of one rude individual.

[Ralf11]

I am going by a stratified sample of fellow scientists

 

 

 

or fellowette...

[Dutch]

4 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

visit Orygun and you'll see the same thing

 

Dutch girls have got to be better than German...

(personality wise, I mean)

 

Never been that far west in the US.

 

Of course the Dutch girls have better personalities than zee Germans. 😉

 

4 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

You're absolutely right. The character of a nation shouldn't be defined by the actions of one rude individual.

 

Glad we could agree on something cumAcucumber! 

[4est]

51 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Thanks for reenforcing the reputation that the Dutch have for being rude direct.

Interesting. I am Dutch. Here on AS I have been called a member of the civility parade.

[kumakuma]

1 hour ago, Dutch said:

 

Glad we could agree on something cumAcucumber! 

 

[sandyk]

2 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

 

 

chill, muffy

 

and use that down time to work on word choice in the English language - I would not want to see you become a looser

 

 That's rich coming from you, as well as insulting !  YOU need to work on your word choice.

 

loser / looser. A person who is a failure is a loser, often a “real loser.” If something is loosened, it becomes looser.

 

For example, when you lose weight your clothing becomes looser.

[mansr]

2 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 That's rich coming from you ! YOU need to work on your word choice.

 

loser / looser. A person who is a failure is a loser, often a “real loser.” If something is loosened, it becomes looser.

 

For example, when you lose weight your clothing becomes looser.

Loose is also a verb meaning to set free. A looser is thus someone who sets things free.

[kumakuma]

10 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 

 That's rich coming from you, as well as insulting !  YOU need to work on your word choice.

 

loser / looser. A person who is a failure is a loser, often a “real loser.” If something is loosened, it becomes looser.

 

For example, when you lose weight your clothing becomes looser.

 

You missed the fact that he was using "looser" in an intentionally incorrect way to mirror the post that he was commenting on.

[Sonicularity]

2 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

You missed the fact that he was using "looser" in an intentionally incorrect way to mirror the post that he was commenting on.

 

That wood bee rite eye think.

[sandyk]

8 minutes ago, mansr said:

Loose is also a verb meaning to set free. A looser is thus someone who sets things free.

 

Would you please show me one example from an English dictionary where a looser is described as someone who sets thing free ?

 

Irrespective, the Serial Insulter Ralf11 was incorrect with his usage in this instance.