sandyk Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, mansr said: I didn't say that. Please make sure your quotes have correct attribution. Correction. You quoted esldude who said that : " The Iconoclast cables aren't costing that much to produce vs other cable. " I doubt that you disagree with Dennis though, as you quoted him but did NOT disagree with him ! How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted April 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Dutch said: It for sure beats the level 1 troll title of a nobody on a struggling forum. 😂 Nice, in one short sentence you were able to lob 3 insults. The first at mansr, the second at the forum, and the third at Chris who owns the forum. If that's how you feel, why are you here on this "struggling forum?" kumakuma and Ralf11 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
mav52 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Dutch said: It for sure beats the level 1 troll title of a nobody on a struggling forum. 😂 Actually the troll is somebody. Look him up. The Truth Is Out There Link to comment
Popular Post STC Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 4 hours ago, esldude said: think a better rule would be we don't discuss imaginary topics on cables. I bet you wouldn't like that rule would you? Imaginary? I think some cables are capable of making a difference. A better way for both parties to carry on a conversation is to find out the possible causes and is there a possible alternative ways to achieve the same results. wdw, Currawong, sandyk and 3 others 4 1 1 ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
Popular Post esldude Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 1 hour ago, STC said: Imaginary? I think some cables are capable of making a difference. A better way for both parties to carry on a conversation is to find out the possible causes and is there a possible alternative ways to achieve the same results. I know for a fact some cables in some situations are capable of making a difference. I can measure it and prove it. But those aren't what is commonly being referenced in audiostyle cable musings. Teresa, crenca and STC 2 1 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
wdw Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, esldude said: I know for a fact some cables in some situations are capable of making a difference. I can measure it and prove it. But those aren't what is commonly being referenced in audiostyle cable musings. Esldude, you gotta a life about this stuff. Best WDW 89reksal 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Paul R Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 Oh goody - a cable war. You guys know there are definitely mysterious happenings and facts to be disputed on both sides, right? Like, how the devil can a USB cable make a difference? I certainly don't know, and worse, even after spending time with it and dissecting a couple expensive USB cables, I still don't know. There seems to be no logic to it - a cheap $10 Beldon cable outperforms a $200 audiophile specialist cable. And a $120 cable sounds better than a $12,000 cable. Not to mention it comes back to the question of how the heck it can even sound different at all. I'm not at all certain where the line between someone making something cool they think sounds better and the scam artists trying to sell $30,000/meter cable really lies, but there is one there somewhere. I for one would very much appreciate other people's take on where that line actually is. No way in *hell* I am paying $15,000/meter for a hunk of disguised romex, the Home Depot variety probably sounds better anyway. 😇 Yet, I am willing to lay out a couple hundred bucks or so on Nordost speaker cable, because I( do think it sounds much better than zip cord. (Much better being relative here, speakers connected with 12g zip cord always sound very good to me. Good enough I use it for almost everything except my baby Harbeths. 89reksal and Teresa 1 1 Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
PeterSt Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Paul R said: after spending time with it and dissecting a couple expensive USB cables I slowly start to learn what those biology lessons ever back were actually for. Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
TubeLover Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Allan F said: In fact, there are many members who have shown an interest in discussing their experiences with various cables, e.g. USB Cable Comparisons Sadly, these threads have invariably been the target of objectivist nay-sayers despite both the OP's and Chris' polite requests for them to cease and desist. Agreed. I think creating an area to discuss cables here, with the suggested constraints, is a great idea. JC 89reksal 2 Link to comment
Dutch Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 5 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: Nice, in one short sentence you were able to lob 3 insults. You seem to be quite sensitive to spotting insults but do see some where they’re not. Also you seem to have missed the insults your troll friend was making. Or is this yet another show of selective and hypocritical indignation? —no need to answer, retorical question. I’m out of here, of to the parts of this forum still worth visiting. 89reksal 1 System details Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dutch said: You seem to be quite sensitive to spotting insults but do see some where they’re not. Also you seem to have missed the insults your troll friend was making. Or is this yet another show of selective and hypocritical indignation? —no need to answer, retorical question. I’m out of here, of to the parts of this forum still worth visiting. because there weren't any... Why bother with this "struggling forum" at all? Dutch, Ralf11 and 89reksal 1 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post BrokeLinuxPhile Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 6 hours ago, One and a half said: Agreed, the wanker in the you tube is poo-poohing the price for a Nagra portable battery pack, and can make something cheaper by brainless and and being totally ignorant of commercial reality. Miska explains in that thread realities of costs, and there's the liability thrown in as well. Even to setup a cable creation line on its own doesn't leave much change of $500k ++, let alone the setup costs for the tooling, which is $200k+. What, may i ask, do you expect to gain by referring to people as brainless? I hope you were not referring to myself, because all i was having was having an adult discussion about a post someone made. I've worked professionally as an engineer since the 90's so I assure you I am not brainless. In the thread you mentioned, Miska mentioned personal experiences designing a product, as did I. Neither person was wrong, each were our own PERSONAL experiences, and not in any way fabricated by anyone. Have you ever even been on an engineering design team professionally? Don't pass judgement on those of us who have gone through the process countless times. It's when people start yelling BS...or start calling each other trolls, or braindead....that these discussions get out of hand. How about "I believe you are incorrect and here's why..." Stop attacking people and attack statements instead and all this nonsense disappears. You have to have devil's advocates to keep the con jobs in check. Just because we point out flaws in arguments made or products sold does not mean we are attacking or insulting any person in any way. Ralf11 and 89reksal 1 1 Link to comment
One and a half Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, BrokeLinuxPhile said: What, may i ask, do you expect to gain by referring to people as brainless? I hope you were not referring to myself, because all i was having was having an adult discussion about a post someone made. I've worked professionally as an engineer since the 90's so I assure you I am not brainless. In the thread you mentioned, Miska mentioned personal experiences designing a product, as did I. Neither person was wrong, each were our own PERSONAL experiences, and not in any way fabricated by anyone. Have you ever even been on an engineering design team professionally? Don't pass judgement on those of us who have gone through the process countless times. It's when people start yelling BS...or start calling each other trolls, or braindead....that these discussions get out of hand. How about "I believe you are incorrect and here's why..." Stop attacking people and attack statements instead and all this nonsense disappears. You have to have devil's advocates to keep the con jobs in check. Just because we point out flaws in arguments made or products sold does not mean we are attacking or insulting any person in any way. Errrm, I did quote "the wanker in the video", please read, this still stands. If I had a differing opinion in the "Nagra Lithium Battery Power Pack" thread and especially your posts, I would have commented accordingly. I haven't, so? Don't worry. The presenter in that video, does NOT appreciate the amount of development in the three PCBs to maintain charge and protection systems for that battery. After all, that battery pack provides power to a product that Nagra supports, and the recorder is not cheap either. If Nagra let loose and provided a just 12V power input jack (like RME), where's the reliability then? Any overvolts and the recorder is toast. For the last 30 years, I work with decisions that engineering teams make on projects totalling some $billions, so yes I have worked on an engineering team here and there. Civility went out the window at CA, AS a few years ago, just like a lossless audio file being converted to MP3, it's an irreversible process of no return to the good stuff. 89reksal 1 AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
STC Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 4 hours ago, esldude said: I know for a fact some cables in some situations are capable of making a difference. I can measure it and prove it. But those aren't what is commonly being referenced in audiostyle cable musings. Those who know that would not even post about cables. This is about innocent audiophiles who truly perceived some difference for various reasons. I was one of them. ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
Popular Post lmitche Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 5 hours ago, One and a half said: Civility went out the window at CA, AS a few years ago, just like a lossless audio file being converted to MP3, it's an irreversible process of no return to the good stuff. One and a half, these words are well said and ring only too true. With todays cheap one to many communications the emotionally challenged minority drown out serious discourse and debate. Without active moderation and a willing leadership, civility will not return. Alternatively perhaps invitation only closed user groups with civilized people are the answer. Not the best as I don't like the elistist "country club" model, but at least discourse can happen. Perhaps it is economic envy at play here. The internet and sites like Facebook often seem like envy creation and distribution machines. Perhaps we are seeing some of that in play here. If so, I don't know how to start tackling this issue. But what is also strange is the idea that someone with a claim of a better mouse trap is so disparaged. That's where progress comes from in a capitalist society. It's really discouraging to see such outrage at reasonable well intended entrepreneural behavior. I am very saddened and discouraged by these events. Superdad, Teresa, 89reksal and 1 other 1 3 Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 Why don't you whiners just go and join SBAF or some other echo chamber? Dutch, esldude, crenca and 4 others 1 1 1 2 2 Link to comment
Popular Post 4est Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, mansr said: Why don't you whiners just go and join SBAF or some other echo chamber? Do we really need to talk to others that way? As intelligent as you might seem, you seem to lack empathy and a modicum of social grace. There really are easier and more productive ways to communicate. I am beginning to think that you just like to stir the pot for your own amusement. There are two sides to everything... wdw, Ralf11, 89reksal and 2 others 4 1 Forrest: Win10 i9 9900KS/GTX1060 HQPlayer4>Win10 NAA DSD>Pavel's DSC2.6>Bent Audio TAP> Parasound JC1>"Naked" Quad ESL63/Tannoy PS350B subs<100Hz Link to comment
lmitche Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 While I am very saddened and discouraged by these events, I hope for a better understanding of why people behave this way, and to find ways to encourage them to be more civil. Teresa 1 Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
Popular Post Dutch Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 1 hour ago, mansr said: Why don't you whiners just go and join SBAF or some other echo chamber? Last time I checked this is an audiophile forum. Why don’t you joyless and bitter/sour naysayers just go and join ASR or some other anechoic dead chamber? Paul R, 89reksal, Superdad and 2 others 2 1 1 1 System details Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Dutch said: Last time I checked this is an audiophile forum. Last time I checked, you didn't get to have final say on who is or isn't an audiophile. That's for GUTB to do. crenca, AudioDoctor, Ralf11 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
Popular Post mav52 Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dutch said: Last time I checked this is an audiophile forum. Why don’t you joyless and bitter/sour naysayers just go and join ASR or some other anechoic dead chamber? That's not going to work. over there they request """ WANTED: Happy members """ Dutch and 89reksal 1 1 The Truth Is Out There Link to comment
Popular Post Dutch Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 1 minute ago, mansr said: Last time I checked, you didn't get to have final say on who is or isn't an audiophile. That's for GUTB to do. Are you implying you’re an audiophile? If so, no I don’t think you could qualify. One needs to be able to feel emotions for that. 😆 Anyway, I can’t remember I ever joined such a ‘define an audiophile’ discussion. I do remember GUTB’s name from before signing up. Did you and your sidekicks drive him off too, like many other great posters who used to post here in the past? I think it’s time this forum makes a definitive choice what it wants to be and indeed implements rules like TS suggested. No one needs the constant bickering, off topic BS and thread derailings. Ralf11, 89reksal and Teresa 2 1 System details Link to comment
Dutch Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 13 hours ago, mav52 said: Actually the troll is somebody. Look him up. This him? EXACTLY the type of ‘guy’ I envisioned! 😂 I fell asleep after 30secs so don’t know (or desire to know) more. daverich4 1 System details Link to comment
Popular Post manisandher Posted April 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dutch said: This him? EXACTLY the type of ‘guy’ I envisioned! 😂 I fell asleep after 30secs so don’t know (or desire to know) more. Don't be so rude. You have a problem with what he's saying, fine. Articulate your issue and leave it at that. Mans has been over to my house, and I would have no hesitation in inviting him over again (but perhaps not for another ABX 😉.) Mani. kumakuma, esldude, Ralf11 and 5 others 6 1 1 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
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