Forum Rules Suggestion

[89reksal]

I noticed another audio site I frequent has this for Forum Rules for their Cables Forum:

 

"The Cables forum is intended for those who believe cables make a difference in how their systems sound. If you do not believe in cables please do not post in any threads that are discussing specific cables or asking for help with cables, and limit your participation to threads where the OP intends to debate about cables. Posts which are argumentative, offensive, or break our rules may be deleted. Repeat offenders will be banned from posting in this forum."

 

Seems like it may be a good idea to implement something like that here.

 

[rando]

So go there to talk about cables.  

 

I seriously doubt there are enough members here concerned about seriously examining the merits of cables in the current retail environment.

[kumakuma]

I think a better solution is for the person starting a thread to state in the first post what they consider acceptable behavior in that thread.

 

If folks fail to follow these guidelines, the OP can ask Chris for moderation rights and then delete the offending posts.

[Allan F]

15 minutes ago, rando said:

I seriously doubt there are enough members here concerned about seriously examining the merits of cables in the current retail environment.

 

In fact, there are many members who have shown an interest in discussing their experiences with various cables, e.g. USB Cable Comparisons Sadly, these threads have invariably been the target of objectivist nay-sayers despite both the OP's and Chris' polite requests for them to cease and desist.

[89reksal]

13 minutes ago, rando said:

So go there to talk about cables.  

 

I seriously doubt there are enough members here concerned about seriously examining the merits of cables in the current retail environment.

I guess you missed the recent cable topic that went from 0 to locked in about 4 days.

[christopher3393]

10 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

I guess you missed the recent cable topic that went from 0 to locked in about 4 days.

 

...and that was with Jud as OP, who is no novice and navigates conflict with widely acknowledged (on this forum) skill.

 

My sense is that the moderator is open to allowing OPs to "curate" some threads, which seems to have worked fairly well on a couple of occasions.

 

In fact, I'm wondering if you might ask to do that with this very thread. Fine for members to disagree, but this topic could easily go south quickly, especially on a Friday. 🥂

[esldude]

43 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

I noticed another audio site I frequent has this for Forum Rules for their Cables Forum:

 

"The Cables forum is intended for those who believe cables make a difference in how their systems sound. If you do not believe in cables please do not post in any threads that are discussing specific cables or asking for help with cables, and limit your participation to threads where the OP intends to debate about cables. Posts which are argumentative, offensive, or break our rules may be deleted. Repeat offenders will be banned from posting in this forum."

 

Seems like it may be a good idea to implement something like that here.

 

I think a better rule would be we don't discuss imaginary topics on cables.  I bet you wouldn't like that rule would you?

 

I believe I've stayed out of threads where they OP made wishes clear and it appears most people abide by that from what I've seen.  I don't know which recent thread was locked.  To have a blanket rule not allowing input from everyone on cables is a bad idea if you ask me.  Especially one which presupposes in favor of one group against another sizable group with different opinions.  

[89reksal]

1 minute ago, esldude said:

I think a better rule would be we don't discuss imaginary topics on cables.  I bet you wouldn't like that rule would you?

....and we're off 😩

[89reksal]

4 minutes ago, esldude said:

I don't know which recent thread was locked.

We were lucky enough to have one of the top cable designers in the world actively participating and sharing here. I'm sure you wouldn't be surprised to find out he was driven off by the usual crew that knows so much more than he could ever hope to know.

[esldude]

1 minute ago, lasker98 said:

....and we're off 😩

I'm in no way trying to foment problems.  But if your solution is everybody believes like I do or i don't want to hear from them I think it is a bad idea.  And from where I sit your assumption you are taking the right path is equally wrong.  That is how things are. 

 

If I put forth a requested forum rule requiring no cable discussion without measurements of effects and corroboration those effects are audible what do you think the response would be?

[esldude]

2 minutes ago, lasker98 said:

We were lucky enough to have one of the top cable designers in the world actively participating and sharing here. I'm sure you wouldn't be surprised to find out he was driven off by the usual crew that knows so much more than he could ever hope to know.

So who was it?  I've been very busy and looking at few threads the past couple weeks. 

[89reksal]

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/56060-ho-ho-ho-belden-and-blue-jeans-join-the-dark-side/

 

[esldude]

Okay was reading some of this, and some of the papers by Galen.  But it lost lots of credibility when I saw the pricing.  That is just price gouging.  The Iconoclast cables aren't costing that much to produce vs other cable.  If you've figured out a better way, then sure you should get to charge something for it.  To be worth their cost they'll need to make very large differences.   That is one of the things about all these high priced cables.  Nothing about them requires that kind of cost to make.  I remember the Stereophile tour of the AQ factory.  Only it was no factory.  It was a location that terminates wire from bulk rolls of it. 

 

I was planning on trying some of these out at normal Blue Jeans pricing.  But the price is the most hooey thing about it. 

 

I'll show you exactly what this is about.  The smart engineer.  

 

[mansr]

1 hour ago, esldude said:

Okay was reading some of this, and some of the papers by Galen.  But it lost lots of credibility when I saw the pricing.  That is just price gouging.  The Iconoclast cables aren't costing that much to produce vs other cable.  If you've figured out a better way, then sure you should get to charge something for it.  To be worth their cost they'll need to make very large differences.   That is one of the things about all these high priced cables.  Nothing about them requires that kind of cost to make.  I remember the Stereophile tour of the AQ factory.  Only it was no factory.  It was a location that terminates wire from bulk rolls of it. 

 

I was planning on trying some of these out at normal Blue Jeans pricing.  But the price is the most hooey thing about it. 

 

I'll show you exactly what this is about.  The smart engineer.  

 

The way he first dodged all questions, then started insulting people also suggests he is hiding something.

[Samuel T Cogley]

7 minutes ago, mansr said:

The way he first dodged all questions, then started insulting people also suggests he is hiding something.

 

I was literally shocked at how hard he worked to avoid any substantive technical discussion. And he wasted a LOT of keystrokes on jibber jabber.  Some people were like, "oh my god, can't you guys be nice to the cable god?"  I felt more like I was looking at a naked emperor.

[kumakuma]

1 hour ago, lasker98 said:

We were lucky enough to have one of the top cable designers in the world actively participating and sharing here. I'm sure you wouldn't be surprised to find out he was driven off by the usual crew that knows so much more than he could ever hope to know.

 

Fake news! 

 

The gentlemen in question was participating in that thread right up until it was closed. There was no indication that he "driven off".

[One and a half]

2 hours ago, kumakuma said:

I think a better solution is for the person starting a thread to state in the first post what they consider acceptable behavior in that thread.

 

If folks fail to follow these guidelines, the OP can ask Chris for moderation rights and then delete the offending posts.

On the other side of the coin, there are threads like this and this one, which are curated to the extent where any post with even a remote hint of dissension is driven away and the thread is lobotomised. 

 

It seems it doesn't take long, these days anyway, for any cable thread to be locked up with parallel points of view that end at oblivion. For that purpose, a cable, DBT free section (like at Head-fi) at CA will benefit.  

 

We all know those characters that believe (know, spout, preach....) that any other cable other than figure 8 zip cord is a waste. We know. Leave it. Please. Slinging matches on both sides go nowhere. No one needs to be seen the salvation, read and make up your own mind.

[mansr]

27 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

I was literally shocked at how hard he worked to avoid any substantive technical discussion. And he wasted a LOT of keystrokes on jibber jabber.  Some people were like, "oh my god, can't you guys be nice to the cable god?"  I felt more like I was looking at a naked emperor.

I wasn't surprised in the slightest. As for being a cable god, from what I can tell, Galen held the title of Principal Engineer at Belden. In most companies, that's a level 3 or 4 title. Retiring at that level is decidedly unimpressive.

[Dutch]

21 minutes ago, mansr said:

Retiring at that level is decidedly unimpressive.

 

It for sure beats the level 1 troll title of a nobody on a struggling forum. 😂

[sandyk]

2 hours ago, Allan F said:

 

In fact, there are many members who have shown an interest in discussing their experiences with various cables, e.g. USB Cable Comparisons Sadly, these threads have invariably been the target of objectivist nay-sayers despite both the OP's and Chris' polite requests for them to cease and desist.

 

 So much so, that although in this case there was no direct stipulation , George, despite knowing the feelings of most members involved in the thread, including myself , even sent me a PM AFTER the particular thread was closed insisting that I check the Maths !

 

Although I do have a great deal of respect for George and his wealth of knowledge, this is one area where most participants in such threads are highly unlikely to ever change their personal viewpoints.

[esldude]

7 minutes ago, mansr said:

I wasn't surprised in the slightest. As for being a cable god, from what I can tell, Galen held the title of Principal Engineer at Belden. In most companies, that's a level 3 or 4 title. Retiring at that level is decidedly unimpressive.

You didn't grok the twinky defense in all of it's technological glory? 😂

[sandyk]

48 minutes ago, mansr said:

The Iconoclast cables aren't costing that much to produce vs other cable.

 

How the hell do you know that ?

 Have you ever considered the setting up costs ,and economy of scale for very  limited production runs, and the possible  temporary shutting down of normal production lines in order to do this ?

[One and a half]

8 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 

How the hell do you know that ?

 Have you ever considered the setting up costs ,and economy of scale for very  limited production runs, and the possible  temporary shutting down of normal production lines in order to do this ?

Agreed, the wanker in the you tube is poo-poohing the price for a Nagra portable battery pack, and can make something cheaper by brainless and and being totally ignorant of commercial reality. Miska explains in that thread realities of costs, and there's the liability thrown in as well. Even to setup a cable creation line on its own doesn't leave much change of $500k ++, let alone the setup costs for the tooling, which is $200k+.

 

I recall a post at Gearslutz who bought a reel of Monster Cable speaker that wasn't used that often, and ended up under the bench for some time. After a clean up, the cable drum was moved and the insulation fell off like an autumnal event. So it's not just good looks, the stuff has to last.

[wdw]

Guess we could all envision how this one would turn out...@Lasker98, nice try though!  These guys are just waiting around for the opportunity to pile on to these kind of threads....always baffles me.   

[mansr]

37 minutes ago, sandyk said:

1 hour ago, mansr said:

The Iconoclast cables aren't costing that much to produce vs other cable.

How the hell do you know that ?

I didn't say that. Please make sure your quotes have correct attribution.