The Computer Audiophile Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 View full article Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post Perfect sense Posted March 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2019 As biased as I might be representing APL in Scandinavia, this is an amazing product which keeps beating all possible contenders coming through our showroom here in Stockholm from the big names. It strikes a perfect balance in between analytical and musical. / Marcus, www.perfect-sense.se MikeJazz and Marcin_gps 2 PERFECT SENSE www.perfect-sense.se Showroom in Stockholm, Sweden | [email protected] | 08 518 368 00 | Follow us on Facebook Link to comment
ted_b Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I often wondered where Alex has been over the years. I remember having long talks with him back in the Modwright Transporter days at RMAF and CES. He was a modder of sorts back then, and the APL name seemed to fall off a lot of folks' radar, especially mine. Nice review, albeit another ridiculously priced setup IMHO. chrille 1 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
firedog Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 This is not meant to be negative, but for that price it better be really good. I'd be interested to hear how it compares to some of the other best setups, like a dCS stack. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
tboooe Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, ted_b said: I often wondered where Alex has been over the years. I remember having long talks with him back in the Modwright Transporter days at RMAF and CES. He was a modder of sorts back then, and the APL name seemed to fall off a lot of folks' radar, especially mine. Nice review, albeit another ridiculously priced setup IMHO. I first heard of Alex back around 2002 when he was doing crazy modder things with Esoteric transports and DAC which a the time were already considered over the top. I always admired his technical prowess though as @ted_b pointed out his products dont come cheap. 12TB NAS >> i7-6700 Server/Control PC >> i3-5015u NAA >> Singxer SU-1 DDC (modded) >> Holo Spring L3 DAC >> Accustic Arts Power 1 int amp >> Sonus Faber Guaneri Evolution speakers + REL T/5i sub (x2) Other components: UpTone Audio LPS1.2/IsoRegen, Fiber Switch and FMC, Windows Server 2016 OS, Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, Fidelizer Pro 6, HQ Player, Roonserver, PS Audio P3 AC regenerator, HDPlex 400W ATX & 200W Linear PSU, Light Harmonic Lightspeed Split USB cable, Synergistic Research Tungsten AC power cords, Tara Labs The One speaker cables, Tara Labs The Two Extended with HFX Station IC, Oyaide R1 outlets, Stillpoints Ultra Mini footers, Hi-Fi Tuning fuses, Vicoustic/RealTraps/GIK room treatments Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted March 28, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2019 Yeah, I certainly hear you about the price. The best of anything isn't cheap or anywhere relative to those of a lesser quality. The koenigsegg Jesko is $3,000,000 and it's sold out. Certainly not millions of dollars better than many other cars on a linear scale, but life doesn't work this way. I wish it did. This is probably the most expensive DAC I've ever reviewed. If I had the money I'd certainly purchase it. I don't see the APL products as priced insanely for no reason like some other products. This stuff is hand built one at a time using the best components, and on a tiny scale. Perfect sense and Doak 1 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Account Closed Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I too do not wish to be negative but I share the sentiment expressed here by those above about the pricing of these products. I read this very good review and then felt very sad at the end when I saw the price of these items. This kind of stuff just makes our hobby look like it is for a bunch of over privileged kooks to the rest of the world. It is no wonder that the high end of audio is shrinking away as those of us who are of a certain age naturally leave it. As there are fewer and fewer to buy at this level, the price will continue to rise as the sellers try to make more money from a shrinking base. The future will eventually be that what we now would call mid-fidelity will be the new high end and the rest will be mass produced product of varying sound quality and build quality with low prices. Of course there will always be a few sellers of super expensive stuff and a few buyers for it but it won't be worth reviewing it either online or in print. I don't mean to pick on this one particular seller because this is the trend now with nearly every seller of high end gear. They are all caught in the upward pricing spiral as their buyer base shrinks. Sadly, I see no way out of it. Doak 1 Link to comment
matthias Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 "APL Hi-Fi obtains this sound by converting DSD to analog without altering the DSD data in any way and converting PCM to DSD128 or DSD256 (user selectable)." Chris, did you compare converting PCM to DSD128 vs. PCM to DSD256? Thanks Matt "I want to know why the musicians are on stage, not where". (John Farlowe) Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, matthias said: "APL Hi-Fi obtains this sound by converting DSD to analog without altering the DSD data in any way and converting PCM to DSD128 or DSD256 (user selectable)." Chris, did you compare converting PCM to DSD128 vs. PCM to DSD256? Thanks Matt Yes, my preference using the APL DAC was DSD256. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted March 28, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, bobflood said: I too do not wish to be negative but I share the sentiment expressed here by those above about the pricing of these products. I read this very good review and then felt very sad at the end when I saw the price of these items. This kind of stuff just makes our hobby look like it is for a bunch of over privileged kooks to the rest of the world. It is no wonder that the high end of audio is shrinking away as those of us who are of a certain age naturally leave it. As there are fewer and fewer to buy at this level, the price will continue to rise as the sellers try to make more money from a shrinking base. The future will eventually be that what we now would call mid-fidelity will be the new high end and the rest will be mass produced product of varying sound quality and build quality with low prices. Of course there will always be a few sellers of super expensive stuff and a few buyers for it but it won't be worth reviewing it either online or in print. I don't mean to pick on this one particular seller because this is the trend now with nearly every seller of high end gear. They are all caught in the upward pricing spiral as their buyer base shrinks. Sadly, I see no way out of it. The best of anything is expensive. All industries have the same issue. Albrecht and Perfect sense 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
ted_b Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Chris, Do you still have the dac and streamer in your possession? I ask cuz was wondering what a software upsampler like HQPlayer would do to present the dac with already converted PCM-to-DSD, or DSD upsampled to DSDnnn (the idea, of course, is to let the dac do less heavy lifting...unless of course that lifting is its secret sauce). chrille 1 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, ted_b said: Chris, Do you still have the dac and streamer in your possession? I ask cuz was wondering what a software upsampler like HQPlayer would do to present the dac with already converted PCM-to-DSD, or DSD upsampled to DSDnnn (the idea, of course, is to let the dac do less heavy lifting...unless of course that lifting is its secret sauce). Yes, I have both sitting right next to me. Sure, it's possible attempt this. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
matthias Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Perfect sense said: As biased as I might be representing APL in Scandinavia, this is an amazing product which keeps beating all possible contenders coming through our showroom here in Stockholm from the big names. It strikes a perfect balance in between analytical and musical. / Marcus, www.perfect-sense.se Marcus, can you or @The Computer Audiophile please clarify if APL will demo their products at HIGH END Munich in May? Thanks Matt "I want to know why the musicians are on stage, not where". (John Farlowe) Link to comment
mevdinc Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Chris, Thanks for such a great review, I really enjoyed reading it. Well done. I wish you'd stated the price at the beginning though, so the shock would have been less perhaps. It maybe well be worth the asking price but one thing I find unacceptable is the lack of a volume control. I personally refuse to buy a DAC without a volume control and at this price level I would certainly expect one. Most of your description of the APL DAC sounds very similar to my Lindemann Musicbook DSD 20, which is also claimed to sound very analog like. It also upsamples everything to DSD 128 or DSD 256 with a preamp and a builtin streamer. Apparently there's an upgrade coming soon too in the form of both hardware and software. I was wondering you had heard the Lindemann DAC and or might be interested in checking out the upcoming version as a comparison. Again thanks for the great write up. Best. Mev mevdinc.com (My autobiography) Recently sold my ATC EL 150 Actives! Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, matthias said: Marcus, can you or @The Computer Audiophile please clarify if APL will demo their products at HIGH END Munich in May? Thanks Matt Yes, APL will be in Munich with products. UPDATE: It’s possible APL will not have components at the show. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post manisandher Posted March 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2019 $45k is obviously an insane amount of money... for a DAC! But Alex Peychev makes much cheaper products too. A couple of years ago I bought one of his 'femto clock' boards to replace the SAA7220 filter in an old TDA1541A-based DAC I had lying around - I just fancied doing a bit of DIY. Alex's board totally transformed the sound of the DAC. Total cost? $95! He was very responsive to all my questions, and a pleasure to do business with. Mani. The Computer Audiophile and Doak 2 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 The APL Hi-Fi DSD-SR DAC is tens of thousands cheaper. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 How about pix of the back panels? asdf1000 1 Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, Kal Rubinson said: How about pix of the back panels? Coming right up Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post joelha Posted March 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, bobflood said: I too do not wish to be negative but I share the sentiment expressed here by those above about the pricing of these products. I read this very good review and then felt very sad at the end when I saw the price of these items. This kind of stuff just makes our hobby look like it is for a bunch of over privileged kooks to the rest of the world. It is no wonder that the high end of audio is shrinking away as those of us who are of a certain age naturally leave it. As there are fewer and fewer to buy at this level, the price will continue to rise as the sellers try to make more money from a shrinking base. The future will eventually be that what we now would call mid-fidelity will be the new high end and the rest will be mass produced product of varying sound quality and build quality with low prices. Of course there will always be a few sellers of super expensive stuff and a few buyers for it but it won't be worth reviewing it either online or in print. I don't mean to pick on this one particular seller because this is the trend now with nearly every seller of high end gear. They are all caught in the upward pricing spiral as their buyer base shrinks. Sadly, I see no way out of it. Bob, I own the DSD-MR and DNP-SR and I think they're both fabulous and worth the money. Just because products like this exist at these price-points doesn't mean there aren't other excellnnt alternatives at lower prices. The Schiit Yggdrasil being a great example. Having been in the hobby since I was in high school (which was not recently), I've never seen a time when there have been more fantastic audio options than today. That we even have the option to buy products from Bulgaria, China or Poland for example, is evidence of this fact. And much of the great product available internationally can be purchased on-line. The market for products produced overseas only 10 years ago was nowhere near as good. As for this high-priced product killing the industry, I have to respectfully disagree. How many people would you have to stop on the street before you could find someone who has ever heard of Magneplanar? They've been around forever and you'd have trouble finding a better value in audio. But the vast majority of people in this (or any) country have never heard of the name let alone aspired to owning their product. I realize the apparent hypocrisy of my owning this product while telling others not to feel bad that they can't. I get it. I also understand reading a phenomenal review like the one Chris has written, maybe getting a little excited about the product as i read the review, only to find at the end that it equals the price of a luxury car. But there are audio products I'd love to own and simply can't or won't spend the money to buy. For those who care, APL has the DSD-SR DAC, very good I understand, at less than half the price. Yes, I know. Still a ton of money. Finally, I’d strongly urge those who are able, to hear this dac. At the very least, I believe it offers a compelling benchmark for what one might want to hear when making other digital audio purchases. Joel Marcin_gps and The Computer Audiophile 2 Link to comment
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matthias Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, mevdinc said: Most of your description of the APL DAC sounds very similar to my Lindemann Musicbook DSD 20, which is also claimed to sound very analog like. It also upsamples everything to DSD 128 or DSD 256 with a preamp and a builtin streamer. Apparently there's an upgrade coming soon too in the form of both hardware and software. I do not think that both products are comparable, Lindemann uses AK4137 SRC for PCM to DSD conversion. Not the best solution in my view. Matt "I want to know why the musicians are on stage, not where". (John Farlowe) Link to comment
mevdinc Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, matthias said: I do not think that both products are comparable, Lindemann uses AK4137 SRC for PCM to DSD conversion. Not the best solution in my view. Matt I don't see why DACs with different components, methods and approaches cannot be comparable. Comparison I was making was the analog like sound which Lindemann also aims to achieve and succeeds IMHO. The APL DAC seems to sound fantastic, and I sure would like to hear it myself for a direct comparison. mevdinc.com (My autobiography) Recently sold my ATC EL 150 Actives! Link to comment
mrvco Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, bobflood said: I too do not wish to be negative but I share the sentiment expressed here by those above about the pricing of these products. I read this very good review and then felt very sad at the end when I saw the price of these items. This kind of stuff just makes our hobby look like it is for a bunch of over privileged kooks to the rest of the world. It is no wonder that the high end of audio is shrinking away as those of us who are of a certain age naturally leave it. As there are fewer and fewer to buy at this level, the price will continue to rise as the sellers try to make more money from a shrinking base. The future will eventually be that what we now would call mid-fidelity will be the new high end and the rest will be mass produced product of varying sound quality and build quality with low prices. Of course there will always be a few sellers of super expensive stuff and a few buyers for it but it won't be worth reviewing it either online or in print. I don't mean to pick on this one particular seller because this is the trend now with nearly every seller of high end gear. They are all caught in the upward pricing spiral as their buyer base shrinks. Sadly, I see no way out of it. A flagship or halo product should serve a valuable purpose, bringing attention to a brand and providing trickle-down technology and manufacturing expertise that can be executed in more cost-effective products... rather than simply enabling conspicuous consumption for status seekers. joelha 1 -- My Audio System Link to comment
Marcin_gps Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Great review, Chris! APL DSD-MR is my reference DAC that I've had in my system for over a year now. Before that I had a previous model, DSD-M, and before that, DSD-S, which started my journey with APL. Each upgrade was a big step up and the DSD-MR is by far the best DAC I've heard. I also prefer the DSD256 & NORM filter setting in my system which is the most natural and detailed to my ears. That said, the DSD128 setting has a bit better trarnsient response and is a bit sharper, but it doesn't sound as spacious. The DAC is very sensitive when it comes to power cords and vibrations. It is worth playing with both to extract the full potential. Regards, Marcin Albrecht 1 JPLAY & JCAT Founder Link to comment
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