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1 hour ago, Em2016 said:

 

You sent me a photo of Hapi DA8P board. I can see the Xilinx FPGA on the board 🙂

 

Check out NADAC below. Xilinx FPGA is together with networking components. D-to-A board is separate. More space and more budget to do so of course.

 

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This is the interior of Hapi. The green Ethernet card looks the same to me as NADAC.

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12 minutes ago, bibo01 said:

This is the interior of Hapi. The green Ethernet card looks the same to me as NADAC.

 

Do you see the Xilinic FPGA on the Hapi Ravenna board? Hard to tell with the shade right.

 

I can clearly see it on the Hapi DA8P board but not on the D-to-A board of NADAC... 

 

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2 minutes ago, Em2016 said:

Do you see the Xilinic FPGA on the Hapi Ravenna board? Hard to tell with the shade right.

I cannot see it because FPGA is under the shade, but look at anything else and you can confirm that the two boards are the same...To me, anyhow.

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28 minutes ago, bibo01 said:

I cannot see it because FPGA is under the shade

 

Yes that's what I said above also..

 

We're all just guessing everything here, including myself.

 

Maybe @ferenc can take a photo of the Ravenna board of Hapi for us?

 

Maybe there is a Xilinic FPGA there too.

 

What I know for certain is the D-to-A board of NADAC doesn't have the Xilinx FPGA and the Hapi/Horus DA8P does...

 

 

28 minutes ago, bibo01 said:

but look at anything else and you can confirm that the two boards are the same...To me, anyhow.

 

Right but I have been specifically talking about the FPGA right, which is doing a lot of the  Merging secret source DSP... The FPGA can be a very nice noise/RF source... just ask Ted Smith or Rob Watts or Andreas Koch... isolating it from the sensitive analogue electronics can be very important...

 

Rob Watts has said he is working hard trying to work out how to put his 1M taps inside a DAC housing - he has said the FPGA is an "RF nightmare"...

 

Ted Smith's next flagship (TSS DAC) for PS Audio has a separate digital box and separate analogue box... separated by fiber optic cable... for the exact same reasons...

 

I am not surprised if this is why Merging put the noise/RF generating FPGA on the 'digital' board of NADAC - more space and budget to do so.

 

I wonder if this helps with some better specs of NADAC too... even with it's old lower end ESS chips...

 

I wonder if is possible that overall implementation/design is more important than just the model of DAC chip used?

 

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8 hours ago, matthias said:

 

It is a pity that the DAC in Anubis (ES9026Pro vs. ES9028Pro) has 4dB to 6dB lower specs than the DA8P card in Hapi.

 

Matt

 

 

I am not sure if it will make a difference. :) Above 120 dB probably not. 

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It is funny how we always find comfort comparing numbers and making decisions based on what is written and the choice of DACs or regulators, do we ever learn that it is more than the specs? :) I don't imagine a company like Merging does not know how to make it sound right, at that level of technical expertise they sure have the means to make it transparent. 

 

But we have enough transparent DACs on the market. What I find highly desirable is the pro level of let's call it robust operation. Weiss, Merging, RME and companies at that level have products that are subject to extreme software abuse and their products need to be bullet proof in operations. A friend of mine has a Weiss MAN301 that has been ultra reliable for 7 years, never a glitch. So if I can just plug the Anubis in my network, get a software player to talk to it I would pay gladly what they ask. Honeslty, I haven't had flawless computer playback so far with USB DACs, something breaks, hangs, does not recognize, gets updated, looses data, loses connection etc. ALL THE TIME. 

 

Does anyone have an idea how to control the Anubis? I mean what software player could be used?

 

 

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1 hour ago, kravi4ka said:

Does anyone have an idea how to control the Anubis? I mean what software player could be used?

 

You can use any player, on Windows anything that supports ASIO, on macOS anything that supports CoreAudio and on Linux anything that supports ALSA.

 

On RAVENNA you can deal with device configuration using web browser and audio routing with Aneman:

https://www.merging.com/products/networked-audio/aneman

 


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16 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

So now we need a RAAT to AES67 converter 😀

(If one would like to use Roon and the Anubis as endpoint)

 

Or you could use the Anibus today with JRiver, HQ Player or other non-RAAT music products.

Assuming you can find an Anibus for purchase.  (Earlier message in this thread says they are already sold out in Europe). 

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5 hours ago, R1200CL said:

So now we need a RAAT to AES67 converter 😀

(If one would like to use Roon and the Anubis as endpoint)

I think it works fine with Roon. You can select it as an endpoint with the specific Merging driver and core audio for example with the Mac. Just like a NADAC.

Am I right?

 

 


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On 3/27/2019 at 9:11 AM, simone said:

I think it works fine with Roon. You can select it as an endpoint with the specific Merging driver and core audio for example with the Mac. Just like a NADAC.

Am I right?

 

 

 

If your Roon Core is a Mac then yes - Roon should see Anubis as a CoreAudio soundcard with the Ravenna CoreAudio driver. Same if your Roon Core is on Windows, with Ravenna ASIO driver installed.

 

But if Roon Core is a NUC running ROCK/Roon OS or a Nucleus, like for many, then this needs Roon to support the Ravenna ALSA driver on Roon OS.

 

Until Roon incorporate ALSA driver (unknown if they will), then if Roon Core is a ROCK'ed NUC or Nucleus and if Roon Endpoint is a Mac or Windows PC, I wonder if you can 'hop' to Anubis, since Anubis will be a soundcard to  the Mac/Windows endpoint.


Hard to know until it's in hand to test or if someone else has already tested with Happi/Horus.

 

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On 3/29/2019 at 8:08 AM, Em2016 said:

 

If your Roon Core is a Mac then yes - Roon should see Anubis as a CoreAudio soundcard with the Ravenna CoreAudio driver. Same if your Roon Core is on Windows, with Ravenna ASIO driver installed.

 

But if Roon Core is a NUC running ROCK/Roon OS or a Nucleus, like for many, then this needs Roon to support the Ravenna ALSA driver on Roon OS.

 

Until Roon incorporate ALSA driver (unknown if they will), then if Roon Core is a ROCK'ed NUC or Nucleus and if Roon Endpoint is a Mac or Windows PC, I wonder if you can 'hop' to Anubis, since Anubis will be a soundcard to  the Mac/Windows endpoint.


Hard to know until it's in hand to test or if someone else has already tested with Happi/Horus.

 

 

I fall into the first case, my core is on a Mac. So I should be fine. Thanks for clarification.

the Anubis is on my list as my next Dac.

 


« Information is not knowledge / Knowledge is not wisdom / Wisdom is not truth / Truth is not beauty / Beauty is not love / Love is not music / MUSIC IS THE BEST. » FZ

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the  ethernet  to I2S interface look like a great idea , hope it will be integrated  the next generation of Dacs  so we don't need ethernet to USB device and all the usb gadgets  and multiple power supply comming with.


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2 hours ago, juanitox said:

the  ethernet  to I2S interface look like a great idea , hope it will be integrated  the next generation of Dacs  so we don't need ethernet to USB device and all the usb gadgets  and multiple power supply comming with.

 

Yes, according to Merging there are quite a few manufacturers working on ZMAN-DACs so I am curious when the first non-Merging ZMAN-DAC will be launched.

 

Matt

 

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22 minutes ago, matthias said:

 

Yes, according to Merging there are quite a few manufacturers working on ZMAN-DACs so I am curious when the first non-Merging ZMAN-DAC will be launched.

 

Matt

 

 

Not only DAC. But Zman based amps and active speakers too.

 

That was Claude’s hope in one of his YouTube interviews.

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21 minutes ago, Em2016 said:

 

Not only DAC. But Zman based amps and active speakers too.

 

That was Claude’s hope in one of his YouTube interviews.

 

Something like the Kii?

I would be happy to have some choices regarding pure ZMAN-DACs.

 

Matt

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1 hour ago, matthias said:

 

Something like the Kii?

I would be happy to have some choices regarding pure ZMAN-DACs.

 

Matt

 

Similar, probably more like Dutch and Dutch 8C which connect direct to network (and direct to internet).

 

Kii3 speakers alone (without Kii Control) don’t connect to the network.

 

But actually there are already Ravenna input speakers but not Zman based.

 

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11 minutes ago, Em2016 said:

 

Similar, probably more like Dutch and Dutch 8C which connect direct to network (and internet).

 

Kii speakers alone (without Kii Control) don’t connect to the network.

 

But actually there are already Ravenna input speakers but not Zman based.

 

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Interesting, I will listen to them at Munich HE.

But which manufacturers are supposed to bring ZMAN-DACs?

Some time ago I had the impression that there might be some interest from @Superdad.

 

Matt

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7 minutes ago, matthias said:

 

Interesting, I will listen to them at Munich HE.

But which manufacturers are supposed to bring ZMAN-DACs?

 

Matt

 

Nobody has announced. Maybe there will be a nice surprise at the show.

 

Actually I’ve spoken to a few designers who have said they have a Zman board “in house” for testing but that is all they can say.

 

There is a strict NDA and they don’t want to reveal their product plans. Also having Zman in house for testing doesn’t mean they are guaranteed to actually ever use it in a product. It just means it is being evaluated.

 

Maybe the evaluation leads to nowhere? Only time will tell.

 

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5 minutes ago, Em2016 said:

There is a strict NDA and they don’t want to reveal their product plans.

 

Agree,

but I think it is not a violation of NDA to announce such a device.

So I see nothing coming at the moment, maybe there are some news after the show as you mentioned.

 

Matt

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