NanoSword Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Please any one can help me if he have old ver 20201008 or 20201005 please share with me. Link to comment
Johnseye Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 6 hours ago, stefano_mbp said: It seems the issue is all on HQPlayerd (Embedded) side as there are other issues with upnp gapless. Unfortunately, Jussi doesn't see gapless with upnp as a major problem .... If it were purely an issue with HQPe we would also see it with Roon + HQPe but that's not the case. As far as the gapless specific issue is concerned, this isn't a problem for standard albums, but for recorded concerts where the entire show should be seamless gaps are a big issue. It destroys the continuity of the listening experience. Audio System Link to comment
stefano_mbp Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, Johnseye said: If it were purely an issue with HQPe we would also see it with Roon + HQPe but that's not the case It is an upnp related issue and Roon don’t use upnp Stefano My audio system Link to comment
Johnseye Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 minute ago, stefano_mbp said: It is an upnp related issue and Roon don’t use upnp I wasn't using upnp before but Željko enabled it to get the queue flowing automatically. Ideally upnp isn't necessary in the first place and files don't need to be converted to WAVs for playback. Also to note that the queue stopped automatically playing songs again last night so I don't think my issue is resolved. Not to mention that all tracks are now being viewed and reported as 24bit instead of them all being reported as 16bit. I don't know how this impacts HQPe's processing of those songs and whether it impacts SQ or not. It's concerning regardless. Audio System Link to comment
Miska Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 8 hours ago, stefano_mbp said: It seems the issue is all on HQPlayerd (Embedded) side as there are other issues with upnp gapless. Unfortunately, Jussi doesn't see gapless with upnp as a major problem .... As far as I know, Stylus - HQPlayer interaction is not related to UPnP in any shape or form. You can queue as many items as you want in HQPlayer's playback queue and HQPlayer transitions to the next ones automatically. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
stefano_mbp Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Miska said: Stylus - HQPlayer interaction is not related to UPnP in any shape or form. ... then the gapless issue is with and without upnp .... at least with Euphony Stefano My audio system Link to comment
Miska Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Just now, stefano_mbp said: ... then the gapless issue is with and without upnp .... at least with Euphony Then there is something for them to fix... Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
BCRich Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I was specifically told that gapless playback via HQPe in Euphony/Stylus is not presently supported. My System: https://audiophilestyle.com/profile/9256-bcrich/?tab=field_core_pfield_3 Link to comment
Johnseye Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, BCRich said: I was specifically told that gapless playback via HQPe in Euphony/Stylus is not presently supported. That is part of the issue at hand. Audio System Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 As much as I like Euphony, the fact that it has this issue playing gapless is my one problem, and it has to be a Euphony issue because HQP doesn't do this on its own. For the price of Euphony, it should be solved immediately as well. beautiful music 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Johnseye Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 My understanding is that Željko is talking with Jussi. Hopefully the issue regarding a silence gap between tracks gets resolved soon. Željko has again resolved the issue I was having with songs in the queue not automatically playing. I am back to not using upnp. He has also resolved the issue I was having with the track bit depth not being correctly recognized by HQPe. I am very happy about those issues being resolved and am hopeful of a gapless playback solution. AudioDoctor 1 Audio System Link to comment
dminches Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 11 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: As much as I like Euphony, the fact that it has this issue playing gapless is my one problem, and it has to be a Euphony issue because HQP doesn't do this on its own. For the price of Euphony, it should be solved immediately as well. To be fair, Stylus has no issues playing gapless on its own. Asking each software vendor to keep up with other software packages is asking a lot. Every time there is change to HQPlayer Željko has to make sure it still works with his software. I am sure he will get there but it is a burden. ASRMichael 1 Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7s, 4 M&K ST-150Ts, 1 VCC-5; Amplification: 2 Vandersteen M7-HPAs, CI Audio D200 MKII, Ayre V-6xe; Preamp: Doshi Audio Line Stage v3.0; Phono Pre: Doshi Audio Phono Pre; Analog: Wave Kinetics NVS with Durand Telos composite arm; SME 3012R arm, Clearaudio Goldfinger Statement v2; Reel to Reel: Technics RS-1500; Doshi Tape Pre-Amp; Studer A810, Studer A812, Tascam BR-20; Multi-channel: Bryston SP-3; Digital: Custom PC (Sean Jacobs DC4/Euphony/Stylus)> Lampizator Pacific Link to comment
Popular Post Johnseye Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, dminches said: To be fair, Stylus has no issues playing gapless on its own. Asking each software vendor to keep up with other software packages is asking a lot. Every time there is change to HQPlayer Željko has to make sure it still works with his software. I am sure he will get there but it is a burden. I believe he has this working on my system. I did verify that it works, but have another issue, so almost there. Željko or any software vendor doesn't have to do anything they don't want. We as customers would like this functionality, so if he wants to provide it, his existing customers will be happier and stay with his product. He should also gain new customers by including this functionality. I think when you decide to incorporate another piece of software with your own, you make the decision then to include all of the expected functionality of that other software. You may rush to market and not have it done at first release, but I would expect the intention to provide it. Željko has spent some time on this the past day or two and appears to have done it. Not bad from a time spent perspective. Complaints will be down, customer satisfaction improved and he may gain new customers as a result. ASRMichael and AudioDoctor 1 1 Audio System Link to comment
davide256 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 hours ago, dminches said: To be fair, Stylus has no issues playing gapless on its own. Asking each software vendor to keep up with other software packages is asking a lot. Every time there is change to HQPlayer Željko has to make sure it still works with his software. I am sure he will get there but it is a burden. Basically Euphony is like JRiver was like originally.. designed to play to physically connected devices. Solutions like Roon don't have this issue because they were built for network play (latency). Proper flow control logic is universal, so whatever is discovered with HQPlayer should be applicable to whats missing/weak with UPNP. Whats baffling me is why some Qobuz songs in Stylus are 1 second shorter in song length as buffered using UPNP at an Oppo 103, causing premature song termination. An example would be the sound track to Star Trek - Nemesis, happens on tracks of around 2 minutes. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Hermes Paris Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I put all my content on Google Drive Unlimited to avoid using large hardrive. Is there any convenient way to use Google Drive (online, not available offline) with Euphony? Assume that I have only one PC at hand. Thank you. Link to comment
Popular Post Johnseye Posted March 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2021 Some good news to report. Gapless playback is now working as intended with HQPe. Željko, Jussi and I worked through all the issues. Željko has stated if anyone else would like these changes made, and be considered a beta tester along with me, to let him know. Some things I learned along the way are: In Stylus, "Convert non-DSD formats" doesn't need to be selected for PCM. The wording of that selection is misleading. This selection causes all songs to be converted to wav before playback and conversion bit-depth is fixed (does not take into account the original bit-depth of the song). It was causing me a bit depth issue. So it's not necessary for PCM listening and you shouldn't need to check it unless I guess you're listening to mp3 in which case you need to do some soul searching. In HQP, forcing a sample rate while having "auto rate family" checked can cause issues. Per Jussi: If you set "Sample rate" it is explicit output rate request. If set to "Auto", highest suitable at or below limit is picked up. Using "Auto rate family" is in direct conflict with setting "Sample rate" to anything else than "Auto". lwr, aangen, flkin and 1 other 1 3 Audio System Link to comment
maxst67 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Sorry, do you know if Zeljko is working on trying to bring the sound of Stylus similar to old versions? Link to comment
Speedy381 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, maxst67 said: Sorry, do you know if Zeljko is working on trying to bring the sound of Stylus similar to old versions? I'm hoping so; I don't want to pester him with a request for an earlier version but I am not enjoying this one. Link to comment
dminches Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, maxst67 said: Sorry, do you know if Zeljko is working on trying to bring the sound of Stylus similar to old versions? You are assuming he doesn’t think that the new version sounds the same or better unless he has commented on this. Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7s, 4 M&K ST-150Ts, 1 VCC-5; Amplification: 2 Vandersteen M7-HPAs, CI Audio D200 MKII, Ayre V-6xe; Preamp: Doshi Audio Line Stage v3.0; Phono Pre: Doshi Audio Phono Pre; Analog: Wave Kinetics NVS with Durand Telos composite arm; SME 3012R arm, Clearaudio Goldfinger Statement v2; Reel to Reel: Technics RS-1500; Doshi Tape Pre-Amp; Studer A810, Studer A812, Tascam BR-20; Multi-channel: Bryston SP-3; Digital: Custom PC (Sean Jacobs DC4/Euphony/Stylus)> Lampizator Pacific Link to comment
Popular Post edwardsean Posted March 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2021 I've always been amazed at the responsiveness of Euphony to its users. Please don't think that they are ignoring the comments here and are just going their own way. They are aware that some users prefer the older sound. I can tell you that they are actively working to bring the best sound going forward. NanoSword and aangen 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post flkin Posted March 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2021 6 hours ago, maxst67 said: Sorry, do you know if Zeljko is working on trying to bring the sound of Stylus similar to old versions? 6 hours ago, Speedy381 said: I'm hoping so; I don't want to pester him with a request for an earlier version but I am not enjoying this one. 4 hours ago, dminches said: You are assuming he doesn’t think that the new version sounds the same or better unless he has commented on this. Yes I know for sure he is trying to find out why the sound changed as it did in the new 217 release. I’m helping him with this but the tests do take time. Especially when he is multi-tasking with solving other issues. Whether he will switch back to an earlier sound is uncertain but I guess not and is not necessary. He did indicate many have commented to him on the recent sound so a tweak is likely. Some of possible future variations are astonishing, and has largely solved the harder edged sound of 217. Z is able to fine tune the sound in such a subtle way it’s amazing. He has many graduations to offer. It like he’s a chef adding or taking away some ingredient affecting the overall taste. Good things are coming 😄 aangen, k27R, ASRMichael and 3 others 2 4 PinkFaun - Vinnie Rossi - YBA - QSA Lanedri - Wilson Link to comment
Popular Post TheAttorney Posted March 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2021 9 hours ago, flkin said: Z is able to fine tune the sound in such a subtle way it’s amazing. He has many graduations to offer. It like he’s a chef adding or taking away some ingredient affecting the overall taste. Good things are coming 😄 I do hope he will provide this as a configurable Expert option - so that we can then spend endless hours trying out and debating which setting sounds best. Stops us from spending money on new hardware 🙂 NanoSword, flkin and maxst67 2 1 Link to comment
davide256 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Hadn't noticed any treble issues before upgrading DDC's but I'm noticing now a "hot pepper" like effect in the treble. Is this what others are experiencing as different with the latest Euphony version? maxst67 1 Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
jacky5555 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Hi, anyone who tried 2 box solution for stylus server + endpoint, and how it compare to 1 box, in term of SQ? My current server is a fanless NUC8i7 which is nearly identical to the Summus server, and I'm thinking of another NUC8i3 for the endpoint, if the sound improvement's worth it. Link to comment
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