Holzohr Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 11:09 PM, DomiJi said: My Euphony NUC is directly connected to my router and i want to use Euphony as my Roon Core and use my ifi Pro iDSD as a UPnP / Squeezelite device. So i can leave the Euphony NUC in the other room. I tried to activate the Squeezebox feature in Roon and activate Roon Core + Squeezelite on my Euphony NUC but Roon couldnt find the iDSD Pro. Is this possible at all? No, it's not possible. Not this way. You need the UPnP/DLNA-plugin running somewhere in your network. Please have a look here: rooupnp roon extension For a quick test you could change to Stylus and activate the 'Find UPnP devices' or something like this in the Stylus settings. DomiJi 1 Euphony (NUC7DNKE: Roon or Stylus) --> Euphony EP (NUC7CJYH: Roon Bridge or NAA or StylusEP) --> Matrix Audio X-SPDIF 2 --> Matrix Audio X-Sabre Pro (MQA) (I2S) --> Euphony (NUC7DNKE: Roon) --> WS 2019 Core (i7-8700: HQPlayer, JPLAY Femto, Roon Bridge, MinorityClean) / Matrix Audio Element H --> Matrix Audio X-Sabre Pro (MQA) (USB) --> B & M Prime 6 Synology DS 112+ (LMS) --> pi3B+/HifiBerry Digi + Pro (PiCorePlayer) --> Matrix Audio X-Sabre Pro (MQA) (SPDIF) --> bedroom: pi3/DigiOne (RoPieee) --> S.M.S.L M500 --> KRK Rokit 5 or AKG 712 Pro Link to comment
davide256 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Anybody know if Euphony will run on an Intel Atom processor? Thinking about buying one as a "play toy" to try as stylus endpoint/NAA Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
davide256 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 The Atom endpoint is working surprisingly well for me, well enough so that I've purchased a Stylus endpoint license. information on the endpoint https://up-shop.org/up-gateway-atom-x5-z8350-w-4g-memory-32g-emmc-board-w-vesa-plate.html My thanks to @Miska for recommending this as NAA and pointing me to the last one Mouser had in stock. My best setup so far is Windows Roon i5 server using HQPlayer protocol to Stylus endpoint (NOS) or HQPlayer embedded (OS). Have been able to use 768/24 with either of these endpoint choices. Some CPU over-utilization so that the more discriminating might want the more powerful device below when available Stylus Server to Stylus Endpoint works fine up to 705/24 but changing to 768/24 causes constant CPU over-utilization and play stops at between 14-17 seconds. Hard to know why, will fire off a question to Euphony support. With only 4gb of RAM, running in RAM not recommended, even as endpoint. Key factor here seems to be that the endpoint device is 5v DC powered + fanless so that USB out is clean. While it ran using an LPS 1.2 @ 1.2A there were high frequency artifacts which disappeared using a JS-2 @ 5A; it's stated max power need is 5v @ 4A. Have used other endpoint devices in past, microRendu, Pentium NUC: this is better. MR was clean but rounded details, Pentium was sharp but USB out wasn't that clean even with LPS, this combines the best of both. this was also recommended by Miska for a like more powerful device... but at 2x the price plus out of stock https://up-shop.org/up-squared-edge-8gb-ram.html flkin 1 Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
davide256 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 5 hours ago, davide256 said: The Atom endpoint is working surprisingly well for me, well enough so that I've purchased a Stylus endpoint license. ... Have been able to use 768/24 with either of these endpoint choices. Some CPU over-utilization so that the more discriminating might want the more powerful device below when available ... Need to amend this, the 768/24 is with already up-sampled files to 768/24 from PGGB using Stylus endpoint or HQPlayer embedded USB output. If you want to use HQPlayer up-sampling this device works up to 384/24 for PCM but will stutter at anything faster. flkin 1 Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Popular Post flkin Posted September 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 1:12 PM, flkin said: Ok, I bit the bullet and tried the 0716 from 1102. Luckily Euphony still allows me to return to 1102 from the menu. Historically this is the software sequence and my recollection of the sound: 1102 - sound good, enveloping and not harsh. Bass slightly loose, details a little less than optimal. Long term listening comfortable. Harsh recordings play nicely. 0102 - from recollection, better than 1102 (haven't used 0102 in a long while). I think a touch more details? I recall this was the version that allowed me to stop using HQP to help with focus. After this, it was bit perfect playback only. 0216 - from here onwards, the sound is more detailed, focused but less organic. It's a complete change in character. Euphony is less Euphoric! There was a bug so it was replaced by 0217 the following day. 0217 - because of the quick replacement of 0216, there is no way to return to 0102 anymore after going to 0217. For those that stayed with 0216 meant that you could return to 0102 using the menu function. For me I couldn't and had to load 1102 from a fresh USB installation and from here, 0102 wasn't an option. Comparing 1102 to 0217, I much prefer 1102. 0421 - from recollection, I prefer 0421 to 0217. Less digital sounding and more relaxed. But still prefer 1102. 0614 - After swapping back and forwards between it and 1102, still prefer 1102 which plays nicely with most genres of music. 0716 - Not much difference with 0614. Still prefer the less shouty 1102. In my system, 1102 brass has the perfect balance of hardness and smoothness/body. Horn-like. Orchestras play in a huge soundstage and envelop you in the sound rather than leaving you a spectator. But it could do with slightly more texture and slight tightening of the bass. So sticking to 1102 for now. A while ago, I wrote above that I liked Euphony version 20201102 best. That has now changed. For various reasons, I decided to do a full reinstall of my downloaded copy of 20201102 from a USB drive. Boot from the USB and choose to install/repair current installation in the streamer. That went smoothly but my playlists stopped working. Reaching out to Željko, he said to try updating to the latest version and see. That I did and my old playlists worked again. I didn't have this issue before during moving from 20201102 to the current 20210716 but that was simply doing a toggle/reboot from the Euphony settings and not via a complete reinstall. Looked like I had no choice but to stick with the 20210716 version. However, the sound character changed. I earlier felt that 0716 was too hard sounding and not organic enough but now it's organic but yet detailed - a step better than the old 1102. I now believe that my Euphony installation from a series of updates over years 2020/21 corrupted some files. But a fresh reinstallation and update repaired that and now shows what the latest version of Euphony 0716 is capable of. And it is good. Don't do updates to software while Ram Root is being used. I think it was this that caused my issues. At the time I was doing this software switching, I upgraded my pre-amp from Vinnie Rossi's LIO-DHT to the current L2i-SE. Not sure if this has anything to do with the sound changes but it might have contributed to the better organic sounds. Whatever, 0716 sounds very good in my current system today. auricgoldfinger, di-fi, beautiful music and 1 other 2 2 PinkFaun - Vinnie Rossi - YBA - QSA Lanedri - Wilson Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 9 hours ago, flkin said: A while ago, I wrote above that I liked Euphony version 20201102 best. That has now changed. For various reasons, I decided to do a full reinstall of my downloaded copy of 20201102 from a USB drive. Boot from the USB and choose to install/repair current installation in the streamer. That went smoothly but my playlists stopped working. Reaching out to Željko, he said to try updating to the latest version and see. That I did and my old playlists worked again. I didn't have this issue before during moving from 20201102 to the current 20210716 but that was simply doing a toggle/reboot from the Euphony settings and not via a complete reinstall. Looked like I had no choice but to stick with the 20210716 version. However, the sound character changed. I earlier felt that 0716 was too hard sounding and not organic enough but now it's organic but yet detailed - a step better than the old 1102. I now believe that my Euphony installation from a series of updates over years 2020/21 corrupted some files. But a fresh reinstallation and update repaired that and now shows what the latest version of Euphony 0716 is capable of. And it is good. Don't do updates to software while Ram Root is being used. I think it was this that caused my issues. At the time I was doing this software switching, I upgraded my pre-amp from Vinnie Rossi's LIO-DHT to the current L2i-SE. Not sure if this has anything to do with the sound changes but it might have contributed to the better organic sounds. Whatever, 0716 sounds very good in my current system today. Thanks for your findings. You raised very good point regarding “Don’t update when in Ramroot” also fresh install. My findings with regards to fresh install were, it sounded better, but was too embarrassed to say that on here. Now I have, some people might think I’m mad. I now do fresh install every time I can rather than update via the software. Probably now a OCD thing. flkin 1 Link to comment
edwardsean Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, ASRMichael said: Thanks for your findings. You raised very good point regarding “Don’t update when in Ramroot” also fresh install. My findings with regards to fresh install were, it sounded better, but was too embarrassed to say that on here. Now I have, some people might think I’m mad. I now do fresh install every time I can rather than update via the software. Probably now a OCD thing. What would we do without these threads? I don't know if a fresh install does matter, but I've surely found myself in this situation many times. At this level, every little things seems to matter, and sometimes it doesn't. I can only go so far on my own before I A/B myself into madness! Thank you to everybody and great developers like Željko for willing to discuss and share experiences! ASRMichael 1 Link to comment
k27R Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 How are you guys doing the fresh install? Are you formatting the OS hard drive and removing all of the partitions first? Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, k27R said: How are you guys doing the fresh install? Are you formatting the OS hard drive and removing all of the partitions first? Yes that’s what I do. Remove M.2 to home pc & format. Sure other ways. Link to comment
di-fi Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 1:17 PM, davide256 said: Anybody know if Euphony will run on an Intel Atom processor? Thinking about buying one as a "play toy" to try as stylus endpoint/NAA Hi Dave, remember me, you tried helping me out asking good questions when I posted here about Euphony distortion when switching 16/24bit tracks and back (still do :-( it's Upnp related I know at least....I think). I can confirm Euphony will run on Intel Atom only with one Uptone lps 1.2 (gets more warm, I added a 90x90 mm heatsink on each side).* I am using for 18 months the following: MOBO : SuperMicro X10SBA (Intel Celeron J1900) - EPS: FaradSuper3 @12v (since 4 months)- ATX Uptone LPS 1.2 @12v. I am not using HQ player or multi-multi cores and prefer the idea of less effort/low power. It's only one Euphony unit BUT I added the FaradSuper3 as 2nd PSU to great result, more open sound, specifically bass more extended and all bass more controlled and better defined. I do not know what sounds better JS-2 vs 2 separate LPS?. And if I can hear that improvement with my basic setup, imagine some of you ;-). * if you wonder if this LPS 1.2 got too hot, no it did not. I recently posted about LPS life expectancy because two LPS in my setup died almost at the same time. It was not this one. Actually my ISOregen and SSD LPS's died (not even at 4 years). davide256 1 Link to comment
di-fi Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 39 minutes ago, k27R said: How are you guys doing the fresh install? Are you formatting the OS hard drive and removing all of the partitions first? When you (do a clean) install Euphony you get a warning it will erase everything before formatting in 3 partitions. That should be enough I think. Link to comment
Anwar Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 There is no fresh install straight to 20210716. If image is downloaded from Euphony website, one has to start from 20210421, then perform feature updates to get to the latest version. But if I am wrong above, please point me to where I can download image for 20210716 fresh install. Thx. Music server builder Link to comment
di-fi Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Anwar said: There is no fresh install straight to 20210716. If image is downloaded from Euphony website, one has to start from 20210421, then perform feature updates to get to the latest version. But if I am wrong above, please point me to where I can download image for 20210716 fresh install. Thx. You are correct about euphony20210421v3.img; the most recent you can download today. If you want to compare two versions you can toggle under ''system info'' and ''revert to release'' as described by flkin above. Apparently after many times this could cause a bug as he observed. I toggle(d) for months between 102 and 716, (see image below). Mayby instead of toggles I should do a clean 716 install AND a clean 102 as well IF I want to keep comparing. If you want to compare more than two Euphony versions you need to install from different USB sticks and do a clean install and above all, have an .img file for each version on usb stick. flkin has been describing very well in this thread in detail what to expect soundwise between different versions. (I thanked him allready for his super detailed sound impressions and here we go again: thanks flkin!) . The best would be if the most recent version is simply the best. Less stressful for Euphony/Željko too, I think he must have had a hard time with the anti-updaters since he tried to improve on v. 102 ;-), mea culpa --- euphony20210421v3.img, the most recent you can download today Toggle between two Euphony versions flkin 1 Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I don't have an installation of Euphony to refer to at the moment, perhaps someone here can answer these questions. 1) In a system with more than one storage drive, does Euphony show those as one pooled drive, or separate drives? 2) Is it possible to direct Stylus to play to an installation of HQPlayer elsewhere on the network rather than the embedded version included? No electron left behind. Link to comment
al2813 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 10 hours ago, di-fi said: Hi Dave, remember me, you tried helping me out asking good questions when I posted here about Euphony distortion when switching 16/24bit tracks and back (still do :-( it's Upnp related I know at least....I think). I can confirm Euphony will run on Intel Atom only with one Uptone lps 1.2 (gets more warm, I added a 90x90 mm heatsink on each side).* I am using for 18 months the following: MOBO : SuperMicro X10SBA (Intel Celeron J1900) - EPS: FaradSuper3 @12v (since 4 months)- ATX Uptone LPS 1.2 @12v. I am not using HQ player or multi-multi cores and prefer the idea of less effort/low power. It's only one Euphony unit BUT I added the FaradSuper3 as 2nd PSU to great result, more open sound, specifically bass more extended and all bass more controlled and better defined. I do not know what sounds better JS-2 vs 2 separate LPS?. And if I can hear that improvement with my basic setup, imagine some of you ;-). * if you wonder if this LPS 1.2 got too hot, no it did not. I recently posted about LPS life expectancy because two LPS in my setup died almost at the same time. It was not this one. Actually my ISOregen and SSD LPS's died (not even at 4 years). Hi, can you specify how exactly you use your two LPS? Do you have a USB audio card (JCAT etc.)? Link to comment
flkin Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 3 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: I don't have an installation of Euphony to refer to at the moment, perhaps someone here can answer these questions. 1) In a system with more than one storage drive, does Euphony show those as one pooled drive, or separate drives? 2) Is it possible to direct Stylus to play to an installation of HQPlayer elsewhere on the network rather than the embedded version included? For storage, Stylus can show both - pooled under the main albums and under Files shows the files separately in the drives pointed to PinkFaun - Vinnie Rossi - YBA - QSA Lanedri - Wilson Link to comment
c-w Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 6 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: I don't have an installation of Euphony to refer to at the moment, perhaps someone here can answer these questions. 1) In a system with more than one storage drive, does Euphony show those as one pooled drive, or separate drives? 2) Is it possible to direct Stylus to play to an installation of HQPlayer elsewhere on the network rather than the embedded version included? 1) Drives are shown separately (in Files view and Settings) 2) No, Euphony only knows how to connect and control local HQPlayer AudioDoctor 1 Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 6 hours ago, c-w said: 1) Drives are shown separately (in Files view and Settings) 2) No, Euphony only knows how to connect and control local HQPlayer Thanks. Not what I was hoping for but I appreciate the answer. No electron left behind. Link to comment
davide256 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 13 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: I don't have an installation of Euphony to refer to at the moment, perhaps someone here can answer these questions. 1) In a system with more than one storage drive, does Euphony show those as one pooled drive, or separate drives? 2) Is it possible to direct Stylus to play to an installation of HQPlayer elsewhere on the network rather than the embedded version included? I haven't been able to get Stylus server to do sustained play using HQplayer embedded to a Stylus endpoint NAA but have been able to fake it out into initially using Stylus server with HQPlayer. Hard to understand why what works well for Euphony with Roon/HQP to NAA is unsupported for Euphony Stylus/HQP to NAA. The basic problem is that if the DAC is remote it gets lost from HQP embedded NAA configuration when using Stylus server. FWIW the 1 minute of play I can get does sound pretty good. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, davide256 said: I haven't been able to get Stylus server to do sustained play using HQplayer embedded to a Stylus endpoint NAA but have been able to fake it out into initially using Stylus server with HQPlayer. Hard to understand why what works well for Euphony with Roon/HQP to NAA is unsupported for Euphony Stylus/HQP to NAA. The basic problem is that if the DAC is remote it gets lost from HQP embedded NAA configuration when using Stylus server. FWIW the 1 minute of play I can get does sound pretty good. I have used it before, and do have a license. I don't remember having an issue playing with Stylus to HQP to an NAA., but it has been a while. Do you have your music connected locally or on the network? Is the network share stable? No electron left behind. Link to comment
davide256 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: I have used it before, and do have a license. I don't remember having an issue playing with Stylus to HQP to an NAA., but it has been a while. Do you have your music connected locally or on the network? Is the network share stable? NAS or Qobuz for source. HQP embedded to local attached DAC works fine regardless of player solution and remote NAA works fine as long as the server solution isn't Stylus server. I don't even use upsampling with HQPlayer, just pass through. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
di-fi Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 21 hours ago, al2813 said: Hi, can you specify how exactly you use your two LPS? Do you have a USB audio card (JCAT etc.)? It's in my profile under Audio System Audio system is changing regularly and there are two; I try to keep it updated. SuperMicro X10SBA with two LPS: 1) EPS connector - DC cables: Gotham GAC-4/1 (JSSG360) - FaradSuper3 @12v + SR Fuse upgrade/ AC cables: Furutech cable + connectors 2) ATX connector - DC cables: Gotham GAC-4/1 (JSSG360) - Uptone LPS 1.2 @12v / standard Uptone brick USB audio card: Eifidelity (temporary) while waiting for new higher Streacom case to install Pink Faun SPDIF bridge. Let me know if you have any questions. Link to comment
87mpi Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 I'm having trouble getting the pcm 1411/1536 to work with HQP on euphony , either as alsa or as NAA. I have a holo spring 3 KTE (usb). Works perfectly with Miska's HQPlayer OS / NAA images Doepke DFS2/ Gigawatt C16A + 044/ Lc-y Evo/ LC3-EVO /LC2-Evo/ LC-3 MK3/ Toroidy DC Blocker/ Hdplex H5 / Windows 10 Pro1903 AO3 + Fidelizer Pro 8.10/ JPLAY Femto/ Crosshair VIII Dark Hero/ Ryzen 9 5950X/ Optane P1600X/ Apacer 2x4GB DDR4 ECC 2666/ Jcat Usb XE/ Jcat Net XE /Audiowise Opto USB/ Sablon USB Evo/ 2x Paul Hynes SR4T for Jcat / 2x Baaske NET Isolator MI 1005/ Ethernet cable Viablue EP-7S/ Sablon Ethernet 2020 /Fidelizer StreamHub/ All Dc cables Neotech Occ JSSG360 /Hdplex 500W DC ATX/ Holo Spring 3 KTE/ Audio Research LS5 (4x E188CC Red Label/ 4x RCA 12BH7A Black Plates/ 2X Brimar 12BH7 Black Plates)/ Proceed HPA2 (Mark Levinson 432)/ Scansonic MB 3.5B + Iso Acoustics Gaia III / Townshend Isolda EDCT/ 2x Townshend DCT 300 XLR/ Synergistic Research Purple Fuses In Hdplex, 2x SR4T, Preamp, Dac/ 4X Townshend Seismic Pods Link to comment
mrkoven Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 9 hours ago, 87mpi said: I'm having trouble getting the pcm 1411/1536 to work with HQP on euphony , either as alsa or as NAA. I have a holo spring 3 KTE (usb). Works perfectly with Miska's HQPlayer OS / NAA images it doesnt work for me in euphony either, with holo may. it works outside of euphony. maybe euphony needs to update driver/kernal in future release to accomodate Link to comment
Lukasluis Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Has anyone compared their Euphony rigs with the Bluesound node 2i or the ifi Zen Stream? I'm thinking of simplifying my digital system. Link to comment
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