zeblo69 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 5 hours ago, davide256 said: Product brief for 7i7bnh says it has m. 2 slot and is optane ready, yours should be similar Hi. My. Nuc is 7i7dnh and seems to supports optane. The question is about M10 or H10? The pins form factor seems to be different... Thanks in advance Link to comment
zeblo69 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 5 hours ago, davide256 said: Err, apologies… 8i7BEH supports m.2 but I see you have a 7i7. Let me check to see if you have M.2 optane support Hi. My Nuc is 7i7dnh and seems to supports optane. The question is about M10 or H10? The pins form factor seems to be different... Thanks in advance Link to comment
jacky5555 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 On 7/28/2021 at 11:56 AM, zeblo69 said: Hi. My Nuc is 7i7dnh and seems to supports optane. The question is about M10 or H10? The pins form factor seems to be different... Thanks in advance I have both and both work well in my Nuc8i7beh Link to comment
zeblo69 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 4 hours ago, jacky5555 said: I have both and both work well in my Nuc8i7beh Thank you for the info. I've just ordered the M10. It will replace my current Samsung 979 evo plus nvme Link to comment
beautiful music Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 I'm not sure if there is an alternative way to stream sound from Android Phones like AirPlay audio server for iOS. Link to comment
Lukasluis Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 8 hours ago, beautiful music said: I'm not sure if there is an alternative way to stream sound from Android Phones like AirPlay audio server for iOS. This is off topic but mostly I use BubbleUpnp on my android devices stream to JplayFemto Renderer. Best combi I tried. Link to comment
anhton82 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Could I install Euphony on my new Mac Mini M1? Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, anhton82 said: Could I install Euphony on my new Mac Mini M1? No. not now and probably not ever. There is work to get Linux running natively on the new M1 chip, but I would not expect that to be useful for many years. No electron left behind. Link to comment
anhton82 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: No. not now and probably not ever. There is work to get Linux running natively on the new M1 chip, but I would not expect that to be useful for many years. Thanks for your help. So I'm still continue use Mac M1 with BigSur and HQPlayer. Can not try Euphony for now, just hope maybe in future. AudioDoctor 1 Link to comment
Lukasluis Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 49 minutes ago, anhton82 said: Thanks for your help. So I'm still continue use Mac M1 with BigSur and HQPlayer. Can not try Euphony for now, just hope maybe in future. BigSur and HQPlayer is best! Especially that the M1 chip works well with the filters and upsampling algorithms. Plus library management is better with Hqp in my opinion. Link to comment
DomiJi Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Hello Euphony Users, I use Euphony for a few weeks now and yesterday i switched from Roon to Stylus Player. I love the sound :-) But i want to further tweak my NUC. So i disabled all unnecessary devices in BIOS and turned Hyperthreading and TurboBoost off. I further Set the Clockspeed to the fix baseline Clock of my i5 CPU (2.3GHz). I also read that limitint the ethernet connection to 100mb/s would be help full. What experience did you guys made? I am not sure if disableing Hyperthreading is the way to Go?! Thank you very much :-) Best Dominik Link to comment
Popular Post Smaragdhk Posted August 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2021 20 hours ago, DomiJi said: Hello Euphony Users, I use Euphony for a few weeks now and yesterday i switched from Roon to Stylus Player. I love the sound :-) But i want to further tweak my NUC. So i disabled all unnecessary devices in BIOS and turned Hyperthreading and TurboBoost off. I further Set the Clockspeed to the fix baseline Clock of my i5 CPU (2.3GHz). I also read that limitint the ethernet connection to 100mb/s would be help full. What experience did you guys made? I am not sure if disableing Hyperthreading is the way to Go?! Thank you very much :-) Best Dominik I did some experimenting again with the latest version… Using a 10i7 NUC in a fanless case powered by a LPS Timetec Hynex DDR4 2666 16GB RAM, Optane M.2 drive demo track DSD version of Fourplay “Cape Town” 1. hyper-threading ON and Turbo Boost ON Good dynamics and punchy but muddy soundstage and muddy in the HF 2. hyper-threading ON and Turbo Boost OFF same good dynamics and punchy as in 1, but massive improvement in HF micro details and added air and definition… 3. hyper-threading OFF and Turbo Boost OFF flat dynamics and not resolving sound… boring 4. hyper-threading OFF and Turbo Boost ON same flat dynamics and boring presentation with again added muddy detail. My preference for now is 2. HT ON and TB OFF. Haven’t tried Apacer RAM yet… DomiJi, RickyV and beautiful music 3 Link to comment
beautiful music Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Smaragdhk said: I did some experimenting again with the latest version… Using a 10i7 NUC in a fanless case powered by a LPS Timetec Hynex DDR4 2666 16GB RAM, Optane M.2 drive demo track DSD version of Fourplay “Cape Town” 1. hyper-threading ON and Turbo Boost ON Good dynamics and punchy but muddy soundstage and muddy in the HF 2. hyper-threading ON and Turbo Boost OFF same good dynamics and punchy as in 1, but massive improvement in HF micro details and added air and definition… 3. hyper-threading OFF and Turbo Boost OFF flat dynamics and not resolving sound… boring 4. hyper-threading OFF and Turbo Boost ON same flat dynamics and boring presentation with again added muddy detail. My preference for now is 2. HT ON and TB OFF. Haven’t tried Apacer RAM yet… Out of curiosity, what is your LPS? Link to comment
Smaragdhk Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 I have 2 Keces P8 LPS, the 12V powers the NAS and the TCXO switch, the 19V powers the NUC in the fanless HDplex case. Link to comment
davide256 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Smaragdhk said: I did some experimenting again with the latest version… Using a 10i7 NUC in a fanless case powered by a LPS Timetec Hynex DDR4 2666 16GB RAM, Optane M.2 drive demo track DSD version of Fourplay “Cape Town” 1. hyper-threading ON and Turbo Boost ON Good dynamics and punchy but muddy soundstage and muddy in the HF 2. hyper-threading ON and Turbo Boost OFF same good dynamics and punchy as in 1, but massive improvement in HF micro details and added air and definition… 3. hyper-threading OFF and Turbo Boost OFF flat dynamics and not resolving sound… boring 4. hyper-threading OFF and Turbo Boost ON same flat dynamics and boring presentation with again added muddy detail. My preference for now is 2. HT ON and TB OFF. Haven’t tried Apacer RAM yet… Do try CPU throttling, that made biggest difference for me with an 8i7 NUC. Agree that turbo boost is bad, seems NUC gets dirtier in sound the harder the CPU is pushed. DomiJi 1 Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
edwardsean Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 6 hours ago, davide256 said: Do try CPU throttling, that made biggest difference for me with an 8i7 NUC. Agree that turbo boost is bad, seems NUC gets dirtier in sound the harder the CPU is pushed. I would think this has a lot to do with the power supply you are using. Can I ask what supply is in your system? Link to comment
davide256 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 4 hours ago, edwardsean said: I would think this has a lot to do with the power supply you are using. Can I ask what supply is in your system? Was using an Uptone Audio JS-2 with the 8i7BEH. Still sorting out a next power supply for my change to an ATX motherboard, HDPLEX’s seem hard to get at the moment Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
edwardsean Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, davide256 said: Was using an Uptone Audio JS-2 with the 8i7BEH. Still sorting out a next power supply for my change to an ATX motherboard, HDPLEX’s seem hard to get at the moment For what it's worth doesn't that top out at 12V? I'm running a custom modified Super 3 at 19V. I may experiment with turning off HyperThreading. It's just a bit of a pain, because I'm running it fully headless w/ Euphony. So, I don't have any monitor hooked up. On this topic of power supplies for NUCs, after reading Jay's massive comparisons of power supplies I'm thinking of experimenting again with supplies. Should I keep 19V or go up to 24V? https://audiobacon.net/2021/08/06/the-worlds-best-audiophile-linear-power-supplies/ Link to comment
davide256 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Th 3 hours ago, edwardsean said: For what it's worth doesn't that top out at 12V? I'm running a custom modified Super 3 at 19V. I may experiment with turning off HyperThreading. It's just a bit of a pain, because I'm running it fully headless w/ Euphony. So, I don't have any monitor hooked up. On this topic of power supplies for NUCs, after reading Jay's massive comparisons of power supplies I'm thinking of experimenting again with supplies. Should I keep 19V or go up to 24V? https://audiobacon.net/2021/08/06/the-worlds-best-audiophile-linear-power-supplies/ Its a question of wattage, that basic Volts x Amps = watts equation. The JS-2 puts out 4 amps steady state (48 watts) and can handle transient peaks up to 6amps (72 watts). The stock Farad Super 3 puts out 3 amps at 19v ( 57 watts) Over voltage with step down usually means wasted energy in the form of additional heat. Hyperthreading doesn't directly affect power usage, its basically a scheme to use 1 physical CPU as 2 logical CPU's. Skeptical that it does much for programs like Euphony, seems more intended for database applications/parallel processing. Turbo mode is basically burst overclocking for the CPU, does directly increase power demand/CPU heat. Both are set in BIOS CPU speed can be controlled in the expert settings for Euphony, so easy to dabble with. I'd suggest copy the minimum value to max value to start with, then bump up until you hear a change you don't like. Note that the values shown by Euphony may not correlate to the actual CPU frequency, you can verify what the actual frequency is by using the check CPU usage feature, if you have set a value in expert settings, the actual CPU frequency will show at the bottom of the usage display. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Smaragdhk Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 20 hours ago, davide256 said: Do try CPU throttling, that made biggest difference for me with an 8i7 NUC. Agree that turbo boost is bad, seems NUC gets dirtier in sound the harder the CPU is pushed. Not entirely clear on the CPU throttling… my experts settings show min as 400000 and max as 11000000. what would you suggest as a starting point? BTW, not using RamRoot, left it disabled … enabling only adds congestion and loss of details. Link to comment
davide256 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Smaragdhk said: Not entirely clear on the CPU throttling… my experts settings show min as 400000 and max as 11000000. what would you suggest as a starting point? BTW, not using RamRoot, left it disabled … enabling only adds congestion and loss of details. You would put 400000 in the max CPU frequency field. On 8i7BEH NUC the min value equated to 600Mhz, I bumped up to twice that before I could begin to detect lost clarity for background instruments. Reducing CPU frequency does affect library scan speed and can max out CPU usage if you are using HQPlayer DSD up-sampling. I think RAMRoot helps if your boot disk is SSD/HD but it just annoyed me after switching to Optane boot drive. A little better transients but the acoustic reverberation of piano and guitar was not as rich. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Smaragdhk Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 23 hours ago, davide256 said: You would put 400000 in the max CPU frequency field. On 8i7BEH NUC the min value equated to 600Mhz, I bumped up to twice that before I could begin to detect lost clarity for background instruments. Reducing CPU frequency does affect library scan speed and can max out CPU usage if you are using HQPlayer DSD up-sampling. I think RAMRoot helps if your boot disk is SSD/HD but it just annoyed me after switching to Optane boot drive. A little better transients but the acoustic reverberation of piano and guitar was not as rich. So that equates to min 1200 and max 400000… Did you reboot each time after setting the new frequency? When checking CPU temperature the bottom line CPU freq stays at 1.2 GHz no matter how I change the min and max values… not noticing any differences in sound… maybe I’m doing something wrong. i do have buffer before play = 100% and buffer album to queue set though… Link to comment
davide256 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Smaragdhk said: So that equates to min 1200 and max 400000… Did you reboot each time after setting the new frequency? When checking CPU temperature the bottom line CPU freq stays at 1.2 GHz no matter how I change the min and max values… not noticing any differences in sound… maybe I’m doing something wrong. i do have buffer before play = 100% and buffer album to queue set though… Check your BIOS to make sure you have the setting enabled that allows the OS to change CPU frequency. Changing within Euphony was instantaneous for me. The default speed for i7 NUC should be much higher than 1.2Ghz, for 8i7 NUC the spec was 2.7 with burst to 4.5 Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
walloon Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 I noticed it is when Turbo is disabled in the BIOS of my NUC7i5 that the values configured don't correspond to the actual CPU frequency. I.e.: Max CPU configured 0.8GHz results in 1.20GHz Max CPU configured 1.0GHz results in 1.50GHz Max CPU configured 1.2GHz results in 1.80GHz Max CPU configured 1.4GHz results in 2.1GHz Max CPU configured 1.5GHz results in 2.2GHz No need to reboot, it is immediate. Anything above 1.5GHz results in 2.2GHz as it is the max CPU speed. When Turbo is enabled, values configured are the values shown in sysinfo. Link to comment
zeblo69 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Good day guys. I have Euphony installed on a Nuc7i7dnhe (Akasa plato case). I'm not able to lower the cpu speed. My goal is to set it to 1.1 Mhz, but even if the max value results changed and saved in the expert settings I see no effect under cpu/temp (cpu speed is always stated at 1.9 Mhz). Any suggestion? I see no partular options in the bios... Thanks in advance. Link to comment
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