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46 minutes ago, Dev said:

I haven't updated yet to the new version but wondering if anyone got issues with wifi working ?

It had a problem but then worked. Another build shortly.  It was not always installing the supplicant 

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4 hours ago, bobfa said:

It had a problem but then worked. Another build shortly.  It was not always installing the supplicant 

It is my understanding that there was a problem with the last build that sometimes the WPA supplicant would not  install.  It is my understanding that here is a fix coming for this.

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This may be obvious and so probably a dumb discovery as I am sure many have discovered this already. Tonight I discovered how noisy my external HDD (where the music is stored) is which when attached to  my PC actually affects the sound in quite negative way. I discovered this by accident as I suddenly found the sound of the same music file suddenly has become worse, and I realized that the only difference is I reattached the external HDD. So A/B comparison has confirmed this, with loss of space and air between notes, reduced analogue smoothness, and "harder" sound with the attached HDD, but once taken off the these issues are gone and sound becomes more "relaxed" etc...

Interestingly, even if I plug in the HDD without attaching or "mounting" the HDD to Euphony the sound still suffers. After mounting perhaps the sound gets worse (but rather subtle) compared with physically attached but not mounted.

Previously I did not notice much change probably I was using galvanic isolation device with another computer but now with this finless PC I am not using galvanic isolation device (sounds better without it) and so the HDD noise becomes more apparent. 

 

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3 hours ago, Chopin75 said:

This may be obvious and so probably a dumb discovery as I am sure many have discovered this already. Tonight I discovered how noisy my external HDD (where the music is stored) is which when attached to  my PC actually affects the sound in quite negative way. I discovered this by accident as I suddenly found the sound of the same music file suddenly has become worse, and I realized that the only difference is I reattached the external HDD. So A/B comparison has confirmed this, with loss of space and air between notes, reduced analogue smoothness, and "harder" sound with the attached HDD, but once taken off the these issues are gone and sound becomes more "relaxed" etc...

Interestingly, even if I plug in the HDD without attaching or "mounting" the HDD to Euphony the sound still suffers. After mounting perhaps the sound gets worse (but rather subtle) compared with physically attached but not mounted.

Previously I did not notice much change probably I was using galvanic isolation device with another computer but now with this finless PC I am not using galvanic isolation device (sounds better without it) and so the HDD noise becomes more apparent. 

 

Maybe that's where a LMS or roon server can help. You do not have to connect a hdd.


Meitner ma1 v2 dac,  Sovereign preamp and power amp,

DIY speakers with scan speak illuminator drivers.

Under development:

NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus

Clock modded FS105 v3, Clock modded Isoregen, Lush^2

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Update today from Euphony that fixes the WiFi setup issue where you lose software license and go in-registered.  I am testing now but it seems to work.  I can now do more with my Shootout.  

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On 5/20/2019 at 11:23 PM, Chopin75 said:

This may be obvious and so probably a dumb discovery as I am sure many have discovered this already. Tonight I discovered how noisy my external HDD (where the music is stored) is which when attached to  my PC actually affects the sound in quite negative way. I discovered this by accident as I suddenly found the sound of the same music file suddenly has become worse, and I realized that the only difference is I reattached the external HDD. So A/B comparison has confirmed this, with loss of space and air between notes, reduced analogue smoothness, and "harder" sound with the attached HDD, but once taken off the these issues are gone and sound becomes more "relaxed" etc...

Interestingly, even if I plug in the HDD without attaching or "mounting" the HDD to Euphony the sound still suffers. After mounting perhaps the sound gets worse (but rather subtle) compared with physically attached but not mounted.

Previously I did not notice much change probably I was using galvanic isolation device with another computer but now with this finless PC I am not using galvanic isolation device (sounds better without it) and so the HDD noise becomes more apparent. 

 

How is your HD connected?  Try USB in an external enclosure with an LPS lead powering it.  Thanks @lmitche for that tip! 

 

I was listening ant @Johnseye system and we found that the HD connected as above to his Roon Server sounded better than the NAS.  I think we are starting to get the computer noise down.

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On 5/20/2019 at 9:23 PM, Chopin75 said:

This may be obvious and so probably a dumb discovery as I am sure many have discovered this already. Tonight I discovered how noisy my external HDD (where the music is stored) is which when attached to  my PC actually affects the sound in quite negative way. I discovered this by accident as I suddenly found the sound of the same music file suddenly has become worse, and I realized that the only difference is I reattached the external HDD. So A/B comparison has confirmed this, with loss of space and air between notes, reduced analogue smoothness, and "harder" sound with the attached HDD, but once taken off the these issues are gone and sound becomes more "relaxed" etc...

Interestingly, even if I plug in the HDD without attaching or "mounting" the HDD to Euphony the sound still suffers. After mounting perhaps the sound gets worse (but rather subtle) compared with physically attached but not mounted.

Previously I did not notice much change probably I was using galvanic isolation device with another computer but now with this finless PC I am not using galvanic isolation device (sounds better without it) and so the HDD noise becomes more apparent. 

 

 

1 hour ago, bobfa said:

How is your HD connected?  Try USB in an external enclosure with an LPS lead powering it.  Thanks @lmitche for that tip! 

 

I was listening ant @Johnseye system and we found that the HD connected as above to his Roon Server sounded better than the NAS.  I think we are starting to get the computer noise down.

 

One thing to note about my external drive storage. The drive is powered by the sPS-500 and connects via USB to a tX-USBexp with its clock tap connected to the sCLK-EX. It does sound noticeably better than from the NAS over ethernet. 


Digital chain: Synology DS1815+ -> Linear Solution OCXO switch-> Custom 2016 Server (sCLK-EX modified motherboard, Mutec REF 10)-> AL NUC NA->  Holo Spring L3 -> Audio Research LS28-> Benchmark AHB2 -> Paradigm Persona 9H, JL Fathom sub

Power: Paul Hynes SR7, Uptone LPS-1.2, sPS-500, Topaz 91001-31 Isolation Transformer

Analog chain: VPI Prime with Ortofon Quintet Black cart -> Simaudio Neo 310LP-> Audio Research LS28-> Benchmark AHB2 -> Paradigm Persona 9H

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8 hours ago, Johnseye said:

 

 

One thing to note about my external drive storage. The drive is powered by the sPS-500 and connects via USB to a tX-USBexp with its clock tap connected to the sCLK-EX. It does sound noticeably better than from the NAS over ethernet. 

Surely, if the storage device is powered by LPS and/or isolated somehow from the PC then it may not cause much jitter. The cheapest and simplest is to take out the drive !  Lucky for euphony OS, I can load the tracks I want via Ecache and then detach the drive. It is a bit inconvenient but that is ok. Keep the music files in the Euphony OS drive may be another solution but I run out of space there already ! (1 TB SATA drive).  

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@austinpop, at the risk of cluttering your inbox, I wonder if you (or anyone else here) has thoughts on the viability of using Adrian's TLS DS-1 as an endpoint running Euphony/StylusEP. Zeljko told me that generally a NUC can be booted with Euphony, and StylusEP run, off of a USB stick, so it should work in theory, but Adrian, while encouraging, wasn't sure and said I would just need to try it to find out. (The reason I am considering punting to a prebuilt reclocked NUC, despite the higher price tag, is that I just don't have the time for the DIY route right now, but am eager to get aboard with the new StylusEP, and I'm not aware of other options besides the DS-1.)

 

Thanks for any thoughts, and generally for your heroic generosity and good spirit in everything you do on here (that goes for others that have shared so much, too).

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30 minutes ago, Crustacean said:

@austinpop, at the risk of cluttering your inbox, I wonder if you (or anyone else here) has thoughts on the viability of using Adrian's TLS DS-1 as an endpoint running Euphony/StylusEP. Zeljko told me that generally a NUC can be booted with Euphony, and StylusEP run, off of a USB stick, so it should work in theory, but Adrian, while encouraging, wasn't sure and said I would just need to try it to find out. (The reason I am considering punting to a prebuilt reclocked NUC, despite the higher price tag, is that I just don't have the time for the DIY route right now, but am eager to get aboard with the new StylusEP, and I'm not aware of other options besides the DS-1.)

 

Thanks for any thoughts, and generally for your heroic generosity and good spirit in everything you do on here (that goes for others that have shared so much, too).

This is moving very very quickly.  A couple of folks have gone back to single box systems replacing reclocked NUCs, etc.  Look for posts from @romaz and @austinpop

on several other threads. Do not rush into this.  

 

Note there are folks like  TotallySilentPC who can build your custom hardware.  Or SimplyNUC that put a NUC into a fanless case for a reasonable price.

 

 

Over on the "Massive" thread, there are some summaries linked on the first post.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Crustacean said:

@austinpop, at the risk of cluttering your inbox, I wonder if you (or anyone else here) has thoughts on the viability of using Adrian's TLS DS-1 as an endpoint running Euphony/StylusEP. Zeljko told me that generally a NUC can be booted with Euphony, and StylusEP run, off of a USB stick, so it should work in theory, but Adrian, while encouraging, wasn't sure and said I would just need to try it to find out. (The reason I am considering punting to a prebuilt reclocked NUC, despite the higher price tag, is that I just don't have the time for the DIY route right now, but am eager to get aboard with the new StylusEP, and I'm not aware of other options besides the DS-1.)

 

Thanks for any thoughts, and generally for your heroic generosity and good spirit in everything you do on here (that goes for others that have shared so much, too).

 

Hi Crustacean,

 

Since I no longer have a DS-1 in my physical possession, I cannot confirm this with 100% certainty, but I can think of no reason why Euphony would not work on a DS-1, since the latter is basically a reclocked NUC7PJYH. In any case, you can download a trial version of Euphony and just try it.

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10 hours ago, austinpop said:

 

Hi Crustacean,

 

Since I no longer have a DS-1 in my physical possession, I cannot confirm this with 100% certainty, but I can think of no reason why Euphony would not work on a DS-1, since the latter is basically a reclocked NUC7PJYH. In any case, you can download a trial version of Euphony and just try it.

 

Thank you very much @austinpop -- this is helpful. Great to get your perspective. If I pursue this option I'll report how it goes.

 

11 hours ago, bobfa said:

This is moving very very quickly.  A couple of folks have gone back to single box systems replacing reclocked NUCs, etc.  Look for posts from @romaz and @austinpop

on several other threads. Do not rush into this.  

 

Note there are folks like  TotallySilentPC who can build your custom hardware.  Or SimplyNUC that put a NUC into a fanless case for a reasonable price.

 

 

Over on the "Massive" thread, there are some summaries linked on the first post.

 

 

 

 

Great points @bobfa, much appreciated. Yes, I've been riveted to the "Massive" thread for a while now, including those recent findings. And I've been so impressed with, and grateful for, everything you've been posting in such detail to help others with this daunting and rapidly evolving cluster of discoveries—thank you! 

 

For now I'm juggling many considerations and constraints in the context of a small-footprint family living quarters, including serving five endpoints and having to process heavy convolution filters for the primary one, so I'm thinking I'll stick with a distributed setup for now, despite the possible compromises of doing so. Given the relatively low cost of entry of even something like the DS-1, my thinking (which admittedly may still be incomplete) is that now that StylusEP is in the mix, upgrading my primary endpoint this way could buy me a nice short-term improvement, as well as some time to contemplate possible bigger changes down the road as knowledge continues to evolve—as you so rightly point out that it is doing, rapidly. Huge props to all the generous pioneers here.

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1 hour ago, sergiocurvelo said:

I can not use the Stylus with UltraRendu. Only with the server connected directly to the DAC via USB. Any suggestion?

What exactly is your chain like ? Are you trying to output utraRendu into Euphony OS ? This would probably skip the stylus. (though maybe Stylus EP would  work but I am not familiar with that )

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1 hour ago, sergiocurvelo said:

I can not use the Stylus with UltraRendu. Only with the server connected directly to the DAC via USB. Any suggestion?

I am pretty sure that Stylus the music player is not designed to run out to an NAA or a D to D like the Rendu.

 

Start out simple with a single box running the OS and the player and see how that sounds.   I started out with Roon and two boxes.  

 

This is why they have trial software!!

 

Thanks for being a part of this experiment.

 

 

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Got my Euphony experience today, sounds good. I am still configuring and getting use to the app. What I am missing how to get tidal on there. I have looked in the Euphony guide but not clear enough. And the guide says “For full Tidal experience we still suggest using Tidal’s own web application” how that working?

 

Any suggestions?.


Meitner ma1 v2 dac,  Sovereign preamp and power amp,

DIY speakers with scan speak illuminator drivers.

Under development:

NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus

Clock modded FS105 v3, Clock modded Isoregen, Lush^2

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13 minutes ago, RickyV said:

Got my Euphony experience today, sounds good. I am still configuring and getting use to the app. What I am missing how to get tidal on there. I have looked in the Euphony guide but not clear enough. And the guide says “For full Tidal experience we still suggest using Tidal’s own web application” how that working?

 

Any suggestions?.

 

Click on the icon on the top middle of page, and select Tidal. It will prompt you to enter your credentials:

 

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Ah got it is under “My Music” in the top of the screen. I was looking in settings.

 

Back to listening 


Meitner ma1 v2 dac,  Sovereign preamp and power amp,

DIY speakers with scan speak illuminator drivers.

Under development:

NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus

Clock modded FS105 v3, Clock modded Isoregen, Lush^2

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HELP!!

 

So I have wasted a bunch of hours this holiday weekend just trying to get Euphony booted and a connection to it.  They sure have some fix-in to do.

 

Setting aside my end objective configuration I'd like to audition it in, I'm just trying to get it going at all.  No problem creating a Euphony boot USB stick using Etcher (have used that and other utils many times to make bootable Linux sticks).  But despite Euphony's indication that they support UEFI booting on Macs, here is what happens once I boot to the image--same on 3 different Macs:

 

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So then I figure I'd try booting this thumb drive on either my NUC or my Win10 laptop.  I can get either one to boot successfully--to the point where it says "EUPONY IS UP AND READY," please access on a web browser, etc.

 

Problem is, Euphony self-assigned itself an IP address--on a sub-net different from what my ADSL modem/router hands out.  On both machines it to 192.168.1.237.   But all addresses on my network are 192.168.8.xxx.

So of course attempting to access it from a browser does not work.

 

Suggestions anyone?

Thanks,

ALEX

 

P.S.  Regarding the Mac efivarfs/emergency shell issue, an hour ago I submitted a ticket, and now received the following reply:

 

"This is very peculiar issue with iMacs. You have to install gdisk command line utility.
http://macappstore.org/gptfdisk/
After that use gdisk /dev/disk3 (or whatever number is USB with Euphony on it) and then enter these
x
e
w
y
(Enter after every letter).
I'm writing from phone so I'll explain later what this is and why this problem occurs.

And use USB stick, not SD card because with them there is no solution at all."

 

That's nice I guess, but I replied that the issue is not just with iMac.  I at first tried two different Mac minis with same result.

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I think that's what they called fallback ip, you may not be getting an ip at all, I was able to get it running and working yesterday, try connecting to wired and once done access it and configure wireless if you need to, it is not officially supported but works 

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44 minutes ago, Superdad said:

HELP!!

 

So I have wasted a bunch of hours this holiday weekend just trying to get Euphony booted and a connection to it.  They sure have some fix-in to do.

 

Setting aside my end objective configuration I'd like to audition it in, I'm just trying to get it going at all.  No problem creating a Euphony boot USB stick using Etcher (have used that and other utils many times to make bootable Linux sticks).  But despite Euphony's indication that they support UEFI booting on Macs, here is what happens once I boot to the image--same on 3 different Macs:

 

P1090220.thumb.JPG.c3156c99a84c63ef2d49a2993f28c301.JPG

 

 

So then I figure I'd try booting this thumb drive on either my NUC or my Win10 laptop.  I can get either one to boot successfully--to the point where it says "EUPONY IS UP AND READY," please access on a web browser, etc.

 

Problem is, Euphony self-assigned itself an IP address--on a sub-net different from what my ADSL modem/router hands out.  On both machines it to 192.168.1.237.   But all addresses on my network are 192.168.8.xxx.

So of course attempting to access it from a browser does not work.

 

Suggestions anyone?

Thanks,

ALEX

 

P.S.  Regarding the Mac efivarfs/emergency shell issue, an hour ago I submitted a ticket, and now received the following reply:

 

"This is very peculiar issue with iMacs. You have to install gdisk command line utility.
http://macappstore.org/gptfdisk/
After that use gdisk /dev/disk3 (or whatever number is USB with Euphony on it) and then enter these
x
e
w
y
(Enter after every letter).
I'm writing from phone so I'll explain later what this is and why this problem occurs.

And use USB stick, not SD card because with them there is no solution at all."

 

That's nice I guess, but I replied that the issue is not just with iMac.  I at first tried two different Mac minis with same result.

 

Check your router for devices with assigned addresses. Then point a browser at that IP. 

 

I've also found that Euphony's login screen (which as we know is unaccessible) changes once its ready for a browser connection. It can take a few minutes.

 

Also if you're trying to connect multiple devices with Euphony on them you need to change the host name and use different registrations. 


Digital chain: Synology DS1815+ -> Linear Solution OCXO switch-> Custom 2016 Server (sCLK-EX modified motherboard, Mutec REF 10)-> AL NUC NA->  Holo Spring L3 -> Audio Research LS28-> Benchmark AHB2 -> Paradigm Persona 9H, JL Fathom sub

Power: Paul Hynes SR7, Uptone LPS-1.2, sPS-500, Topaz 91001-31 Isolation Transformer

Analog chain: VPI Prime with Ortofon Quintet Black cart -> Simaudio Neo 310LP-> Audio Research LS28-> Benchmark AHB2 -> Paradigm Persona 9H

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11 minutes ago, luisma said:

I think that's what they called fallback ip, you may not be getting an ip at all, I was able to get it running and working yesterday, try connecting to wired and once done access it and configure wireless if you need to, it is not officially supported but works 

 

Nope. I am wired.

 

Here is what Zeljko wrote me:

 

"It's the same for minis. (he is referring to first problem with Macs, not to IP address problem)

These euphony addresses are fallback and they were activated because there were no DHCP server available. Why is that so I don't know. Maybe you setup your router that way or there is some other issue in your network.
Maybe you put some restrictions on Mac addresses that can connect to your router?"

 

I replied:

"Thanks for your reply.  

1) If you know that both Mac minis and iMacs have this issue--needing installation of a command line utility and special configuration--then why would you not give all those instructions in the Mac section of your web download/trial page?

2) No, there are zero restrictions on my router with regards to giving out IP addresses. Both my NUC (booting AudioLinux) with direct wired connection, and my laptop booting Windows 10 with wireless connection--get assigned normal 192.168.8.xxx IP address, just like every wired and mobile device in my entire house. It is a simple network and I can look at the map of it and the settings by logging into my ZyXEL ADSL modem/router. 

With zero changes whatsoever, I can boot any other OS stick (I have on hand Jussi's HQ Player Embedded OS image; as well as AudioLinux sticks going into either NAA or Roon bridge modes which a friend optimized for me). Those have no problem getting proper IP address assigned. But booting your Euphony image it only gets the self-assigned fallback address.

Please let me know what else I can try.
Thanks,
ALEX"


 

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Hi John good advice, 

Alex you may need to rediscover the ip address with a network port scanner unless you have access to the console and you know for a fact that the ip you are getting 

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