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Is MQA Vaporware?

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You may have just put it back in the Vaporware category. "Over 165,000 tracks so less than 166,000" just might be less than  .25% of total music available today.

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54 minutes ago, daverich4 said:

“MQA is not a file type, but rather a way of encoding hi-res audio in a way that ensures the integrity of the recording from the studio master through to the playback device.”

 

https://9to5mac.com/2019/03/11/mqa/

What is a file type if not a way of encoding?

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5 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Looks like the mainstream press is also regurgitating marketing info. 

 

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/3/11/18259957/tidal-master-quality-mqa-ios-support

 

One of the many reason we like you. On the Golf Channel yesterday was the best summary of current journalism to date. Journalism now is lift , clean and replace.

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51 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Looks like the mainstream press is also regurgitating marketing info. 

 

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/3/11/18259957/tidal-master-quality-mqa-ios-support

 

So much information not included in that article. Most importantly the fact that you would need an external DAC to take advantage of even fake hi-res with an iOS deveice, not to mention that if you are using Bluetooth headphones you shouldn't even bother.

 

And if you are using Apple's dongle DAC, you would actually be better off with the CD-quality stream.

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This may be the wrong thread as I am a proponent of MQA.  I enjoy MQA via Tidal HiFi, Roon, and a Mytek Brooklyn. 

My questions:

Will MQA work on older iPhones?  I have a 6S+.

Has Tidal version 2.7 rolled out nationwide?  My Tidal app shows version 2.6.6 with no update available.

Will my 2018 GMC Sierra Denali with IntelliLink be able to take advantage of MQA files when my iPhone is USB connected?

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4 minutes ago, John Eaton said:

Will MQA work on older iPhones?  I have a 6S+.

 

Has Tidal version 2.7 rolled out nationwide?  My Tidal app shows version 2.6.6 with no update available.

 

Will my 2018 GMC Sierra Denali with IntelliLink be able to take advantage of MQA files when my iPhone is USB connected?

 

 

It will work with an iPhone 6S, but unless you are using an external DAC that supports hi-res you are better off with CD-quality streaming. The same is true for any iPhone.

 

I was able to download the update last night.

 

Is the connection to the car stereo bluetooth or USB? If it's bluetooth, you're wasting your time. If it's USB, you are again probably better off with native CD-quality unless your car stereo has a DAC that supports hi-res, which is unlikely.

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13 minutes ago, new_media said:

 

So much information not included in that article. Most importantly the fact that you would need an external DAC to take advantage of even fake hi-res with an iOS deveice, not to mention that if you are using Bluetooth headphones you shouldn't even bother.

 

And if you are using Apple's dongle DAC, you would actually be better off with the CD-quality stream.

 

So the notion, per this article, https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/3/11/18259957/tidal-master-quality-mqa-ios-support  that that MQA decoding will be done in software on an iPhone with Tidal's latest app is fake news, uh?  

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8 minutes ago, new_media said:

Tidal's software performs the "first unfold" to 24/96, which is useless if your DAC doesn't support it and the signal will be downsampled to 48 KHz.

Not that I support MQA, but which recent DAC (by recent I mean last couple of years) doesn't support 24/96?

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23 minutes ago, new_media said:

 

Basically, yes.

 

Tidal's software performs the "first unfold" to 24/96, which is useless if your DAC doesn't support it and the signal will be downsampled to 48 KHz.

 

That's why I say you are better off with native CD-quality rather than going through a cycle of pointless and possibly destructive upsampling and downsampling.

OK, thanks. BTW, I really like your Spinal Tap 11 volume control image!

Even though my truck is fairly quiet as far as trucks go, no vehicle is a suitable place for serious listening.  So, no big deal regarding faux MQA on iPhone.  Maybe I should investigate a new LG phone…

 

 

Besides my Mytek Brooklyn, I also have an Ethernet connected Raspberry Pi with an older Meridian Director DAC in the living room.  With this system, (Tidal HiFi via Roon) the Meridian reports 24/96 when playing a Tidal Master file. I guess this is the first unfold.

 

I did find and download the 2.7 version of Tidal.

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8 minutes ago, danadam said:

Not that I support MQA, but which recent DAC (by recent I mean last couple of years) doesn't support 24/96?

 

Apple's dongle DAC, for one, which is what the majority of iPhone owners would be using. I just think it's disingenuous for the article not to mention the fact that a third party DAC is necessary to take advantage of Tidal Masters.

 

And I imagine the DAC in most car entertainment systems. My car is a 2018 and does not support it.

 

 

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2 hours ago, mansr said:

What is a file type if not a way of encoding?

 

I want to make it clear that I just lifted the quote out of the article to get things going. However, I wonder if MQA first unfold is now available on IOS if MQA is as much vaporware as everyone here is hoping. The article just quotes MQA marketing as if it is a wonderful new advance in sound and that’s the type of thing the general public is going to hear. The technical arguments against MQA that are on this forum are swimming upstream as far as what most people are going to be told and believe. 

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