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On 6/24/2019 at 3:10 PM, vortecjr said:

I had to look it up:) I found this on a quick search. BTW I’m not making any claims.

 

AGC Chemicals Fluorocompounds Group, Exton, Penn., has introduced fluorinated ethylene propylene (FEP) foam concentrates to its portfolio of FEP melt processable compounds for LAN and coaxial cable insulation. When coated with foamed insulation produced from Fluon FEP concentrates, cables reportedly demonstrate minimal distortion and signal loss, and improved high-speed data transmission.” 

It also makes for an excellent toothpaste: but it does make one sleepy and listless out of the tap......

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59 minutes ago, seaharp1 said:

Which model did you get?

Supra MD-06US/SP ?

Supra MD-06US ?

 

Thanks...

The non-surge protected one (MD-06/US). We rarely have thunder here, and/or blackouts/brownouts. I think either would be a good choice depending on your needs. 


SERVER CLOSET:NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK and OWC external 2.5" HD (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule>fiber (HDPLEX 100). Supra MD-06 power strip. {Office Circuit}

LIVING ROOM:Sonore opticalModule (LPS-1.2) {TV circuit} >Ghent Audio JSSG Cat 6a cable>Sonore microRendu 1.4> (Sonore UltraRendu>Ghent Neotech 7N solid JSSG DC cable) {20amp dedicated circuit) Uptone USPCB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 110 {both dedicated 20amp circuit}>Chord Rumor 2>Rega RX3’s.

OFFICE:TP Link MC110 optical bridge (iFi's - different office circuits)>Naim Unitiqute V1>NACA5>KEF Ls50’ (near field post mounted - sound amazing - one of the few  joys of working from the home basement). Cables: AQ Cinnamon RJ45, Meico RJ45, basic cat6, Naim stock AC cables with Wattgate or HifiKing Plugs. 

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25 minutes ago, charlesphoto said:

blackouts/brownouts

I live in S.F. valley in L.A....we get occasional power outages ...but never got my digital equipment harmed with standard power strips.

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If I got a network switch with optical and used a Sonare OpticalModule to input the optical and output to wired Ethernet to feed directly into a DAC (for example Mola Mola Tambaqui) would this be a better solution than getting any of the Rendu models to convert to USB? Let's hypothetically  assume the sound quality and features between Ethernet connection and the USB connection on the DAC are the same.

 

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@yyz

What you’re actually is asking is if the USB input is better than the ethernet input of that DAC. 

 

What is highly likely is putting a opticalModule in front will help. 

 

As in general so will the opticalRendu be the best solution for any USB-Audio input. 

 

So to be safe, you should start purchasing the Sonore products 😀

As those will help you select the best DAC for you. 

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8 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

@yyz

What you’re actually is asking is if the USB input is better than the ethernet input of that DAC. 

 

Actually not asking that since this is a generic question I am posing.  I used the Tambaqui DAC as an example since it has a wired Ethernet input and Roon Ready.  Another DAC that could we considered with Ehternet and Roon Ready is the new Hegal 590 integrated. I am sure there are others.

 

I was curious if the inputs were of equal quality would getting a Rendu be redundant. 

 

BTW - I already have a microRendu but that is not that relevant.

 

 

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3 hours ago, yyz said:

If I got a network switch with optical and used a Sonare OpticalModule to input the optical and output to wired Ethernet to feed directly into a DAC (for example Mola Mola Tambaqui) would this be a better solution than getting any of the Rendu models to convert to USB? Let's hypothetically  assume the sound quality and features between Ethernet connection and the USB connection on the DAC are the same.

 

It would appear that a Rendu would at least give you more flexibility in term of the applications you can use because if the various output protocols. I’m not sure what sample rates each input supports, but typically USB has an advantage here as well. It’s not clear if the Ethernet input is Gigabit and it needs to be to work with the opticalModule. 

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On 3/9/2019 at 6:01 AM, vortecjr said:

 

 

The Sonore opticalModule is a bi-directional fiber media converter or FMC. The opticalModule has an SFP fiber optic transceiver on one side and an RJ45 connector on the other side. The unit can be used to add fiber-optic networking to your existing wired network or convert your existing fiber optic network to a wired network. The unit can be used with a microRendu, ultraRendu, opticalRendu, Signature Rendu series (ethernet or optical), or any other network endpoint.

 

FEATURES

1. High-quality low noise linear regulator
2. External power input jack
3. RJ45 input connector
4. Fixed frequency ultra low jitter FEMTO oscillator
5. Includes one SFP fiber optic transceiver
6. Power connector: 2.1mm x 5.5mm (center +)
7. Power input: 5-9 VDC
8. Dimension: 3.5"x2.2"x.7"

 

Hi folks,

I am going to buy an optical module and (in a few months an opticalRendu). I am currently a happy ultraRendu user who has been running fiber with 2 TP-Link FMCs and LPSs. I am looking for opinions about where to place the new OM. Since I also have to buy the SC to LC cable - (i run SC to SC now), - I don't EXACTLY need to know in advance, - but I have surface mount panduit that hides my cables going from NAS/Switch room to Audio room. (So the LC end needs to go with the OM).

What this means is that I'm looking for advice from folks who may have deployed one OM and am wondering if it would be better on the audio rack as the receiver to the UR or better at the NAS as a sender?

 

Obviously I am not going to buy 2 OMs as I'm getting an OR; but am just curious. My guess is that since the OM has a special clock, - that it'd be better as a receiver.  Interested in hearing only from folks who've some experience with the OM, and fiber, - and/or from Sonore.

Thanks in advance....

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39 minutes ago, Albrecht said:

Hi folks,

I am going to buy an optical module and (in a few months an opticalRendu). I am currently a happy ultraRendu user who has been running fiber with 2 TP-Link FMCs and LPSs. I am looking for opinions about where to place the new OM. Since I also have to buy the SC to LC cable - (i run SC to SC now), - I don't EXACTLY need to know in advance, - but I have surface mount panduit that hides my cables going from NAS/Switch room to Audio room. (So the LC end needs to go with the OM).

What this means is that I'm looking for advice from folks who may have deployed one OM and am wondering if it would be better on the audio rack as the receiver to the UR or better at the NAS as a sender?

 

Obviously I am not going to buy 2 OMs as I'm getting an OR; but am just curious. My guess is that since the OM has a special clock, - that it'd be better as a receiver.  Interested in hearing only from folks who've some experience with the OM, and fiber, - and/or from Sonore.

Thanks in advance....

Definitely have the opticalModule Ethernet connected to the ultraRendu, run one of the FMCs over optical to the opticalModule. This is much better sounding than the other way around. Of course this needs the SC to LC fiber cable.

 

When you get the opticalRendu you will need a LC to LC fiber cable.

 

John S.

 

 

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1 hour ago, JohnSwenson said:

Definitely have the opticalModule Ethernet connected to the ultraRendu, run one of the FMCs over optical to the opticalModule. This is much better sounding than the other way around. Of course this needs the SC to LC fiber cable.

 

When you get the opticalRendu you will need a LC to LC fiber cable.

 

John S.

 

 

John, Thank you! Appreciate it. (yes, - I knew that I would need to buy a 3rd [LC to LC] fiber cable once the opticalRendu is bought).

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Hi guys, 

 

What's the consensus on SC to LC cable brands in terms of impact to sound? Are they all the same? Prices vary quite a bit from $2.00 per meter length to $20 for the same length on another brand. 

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On 7/4/2019 at 8:46 AM, JohnSwenson said:

Definitely, the opticalModule draws significantly less than that. 5V is great for the opticalModule.

 

John S.

How much power is needed, is 300 or 500mA also enough?

 

Regards Micke


Roon/HQPlayer > MicroRendu 1.4  > Buffalo III-SE-PRO DAC > Linkwitz ASP.4 > 6 x Hypex NC400, 2 x UCD400HG > Linkwitz LX521.4

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42 minutes ago, rowli said:

How much power is needed, is 300 or 500mA also enough?

 

Regards Micke

I was asking about power earlier and was told the OM consumed around 500 ma. It runs cooler with lower voltages, so I'd suggest something with 5v/1a capability.


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I have been getting a lot of emails requesting information about what devices can be optically isolated with an opticalModule. I have created a Google spreadsheet database to keep track of these devices that are supported. Please let me know any others you have tried.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NkmMn35dXt1n27ZYukxNLdDyZhnUdqmyDmNhoB2o4mc/edit?usp=sharing  

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2 hours ago, vortecjr said:

I have been getting a lot of emails requesting information about what devices can be optically isolated with an opticalModule. I have created a Google spreadsheet database to keep track of these devices that are supported. Please let me know any others you have tried.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NkmMn35dXt1n27ZYukxNLdDyZhnUdqmyDmNhoB2o4mc/edit?usp=sharing  

The Rasberry PI 3B+ has a gigabit Ethernet jack, the bus the Ethernet chip is connected to is only 400Mb, but the connection speed at the jack is gigabit. The USB also shares the same bus so an Ethernet to USB configuration will probably have dropouts all over the place, but using a DAC hat should probably work.

 

I have a couple 3B+ boards (but no DAC hat) I can try squeezelite on one and see if it works at all.

 

The new 4B fixes all this so it should work great with the opticalModule.

 

John S.

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I've used stock consumer-level Trendnet & TPLink FMCs and now a slightly modified (on-board 3.3V ADM7151-based regulator to allow a linear supply... in this case an LPS-1.2) Delock FMC with a variety of DAC hats (10-12 different types) & with / without various interface (isolators, reclockers, combination isolators/reclockers) cards (3 different isolators, 1 reclocker, 1 isolator/reclocker combo) with RPi 2B's, ripped CDs source material, and no upsampling. No hiccups whatsoever. Given the more advanced implementation of the opticalModule, I expect no hiccups up to 192 at least with RPi 2's & 3's.

AND as John mentioned, the 4B fixes the shared resources between the USB and Ethernet bottleneck and should work even better.

Greg in Mississippi


2 systems including...

AC: Audio gear on DIY AC filters/PSAud P10/P300; misc gear on separate AC w/DIY AC filters

Analog: Well-Tempered Refs or U-Turn Orbit Plus->DIY or Lounge LCR MkII phono stages

Stand-alone Digital: Sony HAP Z1-ES, Oppo 870, Panasonic S47, SDTrans384/Soekris DAM DAC

Networked Digital: Zotac PI320-W2 LMS Server -> switch + WiFi router as access point -> FMCs -> R-Pi/Allo Kali/Soekris DAM DAC, R-Pi/Allo Kali/HiFiBerry DAC+ Pro, or R-Pi/Allo Kali/Mamboberry

Volume Control: SE Passive shunt, S&B TX102 TVC, K&K Balanced shunt, DIYHiFi AVC

Amps: dual mono'd Hypex NC400, EVS 500M B&0 IcePower, FirstOne

Speakers: Eminent Tech LFT-VIII, LFT-IV, or Gallo Ref 3A

Tuning: Various stands/vibration control, noise filters on digital power and Ethernet cables, audio cables MIT reg or Shotgun, ALL gear modified or DIY'd, MOST supplies linear or LPS-1s (DVD players & amps have SMPSs)

 

Everything Matters!

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8 hours ago, JohnSwenson said:

The Rasberry PI 3B+ has a gigabit Ethernet jack, the bus the Ethernet chip is connected to is only 400Mb, but the connection speed at the jack is gigabit. The USB also shares the same bus so an Ethernet to USB configuration will probably have dropouts all over the place, but using a DAC hat should probably work.

 

I have a couple 3B+ boards (but no DAC hat) I can try squeezelite on one and see if it works at all.

 

The new 4B fixes all this so it should work great with the opticalModule.

 

John S.

Good catch...I’ll update the spreadsheet.

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5 hours ago, gstew said:

I've used stock consumer-level Trendnet & TPLink FMCs and now a slightly modified (on-board 3.3V ADM7151-based regulator to allow a linear supply... in this case an LPS-1.2) Delock FMC with a variety of DAC hats (10-12 different types) & with / without various interface (isolators, reclockers, combination isolators/reclockers) cards (3 different isolators, 1 reclocker, 1 isolator/reclocker combo) with RPi 2B's, ripped CDs source material, and no upsampling. No hiccups whatsoever. Given the more advanced implementation of the opticalModule, I expect no hiccups up to 192 at least with RPi 2's & 3's.

AND as John mentioned, the 4B fixes the shared resources between the USB and Ethernet bottleneck and should work even better.

Greg in Mississippi

Just keep in mind the opticalModule only works with 1000 Mb/s devices. The 4b should work as the specification states Gigabit support. John will let us know if the 3b works or not. 

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Jesus,

Thanks for that info. Will be curious if the 3B works ok.

Greg in Mississippi


2 systems including...

AC: Audio gear on DIY AC filters/PSAud P10/P300; misc gear on separate AC w/DIY AC filters

Analog: Well-Tempered Refs or U-Turn Orbit Plus->DIY or Lounge LCR MkII phono stages

Stand-alone Digital: Sony HAP Z1-ES, Oppo 870, Panasonic S47, SDTrans384/Soekris DAM DAC

Networked Digital: Zotac PI320-W2 LMS Server -> switch + WiFi router as access point -> FMCs -> R-Pi/Allo Kali/Soekris DAM DAC, R-Pi/Allo Kali/HiFiBerry DAC+ Pro, or R-Pi/Allo Kali/Mamboberry

Volume Control: SE Passive shunt, S&B TX102 TVC, K&K Balanced shunt, DIYHiFi AVC

Amps: dual mono'd Hypex NC400, EVS 500M B&0 IcePower, FirstOne

Speakers: Eminent Tech LFT-VIII, LFT-IV, or Gallo Ref 3A

Tuning: Various stands/vibration control, noise filters on digital power and Ethernet cables, audio cables MIT reg or Shotgun, ALL gear modified or DIY'd, MOST supplies linear or LPS-1s (DVD players & amps have SMPSs)

 

Everything Matters!

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On 7/8/2019 at 11:32 AM, vortecjr said:

Just keep in mind the opticalModule only works with 1000 Mb/s devices.

Does the OM support singlemode 1310nm (1000 base LX) SFP's. For example, Cisco GLC-LH-SM.

Thanks..

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@John769, It is on my radar to test single mode fiber at some point, but I am too busy to try it now.  If anyone is running single mode fiber cabling/SFPs with the opticalModule and/or optical/Rendu I would love to hear about it and your results.  As long as one uses 1 Gb modules it should work, but we at Sonore cannot recommend such until it is confirmed to work.


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