RunHomeSlow Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 @damien78 Again tonight when i click my library while a song is playing, it started to tick or buzz while it is loading cover previews like i said before with you... still remains with last version. Pretty sure now that someone pointed out the WindowServer and Memory used thing. Again tonight it happen when i clicked back library while playing a .dsf file, supposedly loaded into memory, ticking or buzzing while loading covers. took a picture of Activity Monitor (first pict) then shut down Audirvana and restart it just after and took another picture of Activity Monitor (second pict)... way different memory used. Couple of songs later with same CD playing, memory is still at same level like normal (third pict). Something with not loading window into cache or covers library not cached when no changes has occured might be happening... Even if it is not that, my file is supposed to be fully loaded into memory no?, so nothing is supposed to stop it from playing then !? No plugins involved, no upsampling also, just playing files like they should... MacMini i5, 10.14.15, 16gb memory, no other things happening at the same time, except looking at it with Screen Sharing with my 27in late 2013 iMac also on 10.14.5 If You Got Ears, You Gotta Listen – Captain Beefheart MacMini 2018, 4xi3 3.6GHz, SSD, 20Gb, macOS Sonoma > Audirvana Origin > Wyred DAC2 DSD Special Edition > Proceed AMP2 > Focal Cobalt 826 Signature Series > Audirvana Remote > iPhone 13 Link to comment
RunHomeSlow Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just to give you more info, it is last song playing... memory is growing on Window Server and Audirvana also... clicking my library was not ticking this time or buzzing, loaded faster, but memories is growing on both... If You Got Ears, You Gotta Listen – Captain Beefheart MacMini 2018, 4xi3 3.6GHz, SSD, 20Gb, macOS Sonoma > Audirvana Origin > Wyred DAC2 DSD Special Edition > Proceed AMP2 > Focal Cobalt 826 Signature Series > Audirvana Remote > iPhone 13 Link to comment
damien78 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 9 hours ago, RunHomeSlow said: Just to give you more info, it is last song playing... memory is growing on Window Server and Audirvana also... clicking my library was not ticking this time or buzzing, loaded faster, but memories is growing on both... What is your "Memory for audio buffers" amount? When loading a CD file, if you don't upsample it, it takes very little memory, but if you play a DSD, or upsample to DSD, it is way more memory that is needed to store the playing track. That's why there is this setting, and if you have issues like such buzzes, pauses, you'll want to decrease this value. MBP 15"/Mac Mini, Audirvana Plus, Audioquest Diamond USB, AMR DP-777, exD DSD DAC (for DSD), Pioneer N-70AE, Audioquest Niagara balanced/Viard Audio Design Silver HD, Accuphase E-560, Cabasse Sumatra MT420 Link to comment
Popular Post damien78 Posted June 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2019 22 hours ago, mikeypas said: For me, even if disabled software volume control, it’s not greyed out. And if it’s anything other than 0db, I get no sound at all. If I put it back to 0db, I get sound again. The dac also changes displays. When at 0db it correctly displays dsd64 for example. But if the volume is changed in audirvana, it changes to PCM and the sound is either absent or distorted. The volume control slider is displayed and available when either: The DAC or network player offers a remote controllable volume control (for DACs it is often the one in their USB interface). Or the SW volume control is enabled. When SW volume control is enabled, it is the one controlled by Audirvana volume slider. The availability or not of volume in DACs and network players is the reason why some of you get the volume slider and others not. Giacomino and Da Horsey 2 MBP 15"/Mac Mini, Audirvana Plus, Audioquest Diamond USB, AMR DP-777, exD DSD DAC (for DSD), Pioneer N-70AE, Audioquest Niagara balanced/Viard Audio Design Silver HD, Accuphase E-560, Cabasse Sumatra MT420 Link to comment
RunHomeSlow Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, damien78 said: What is your "Memory for audio buffers" amount? When loading a CD file, if you don't upsample it, it takes very little memory, but if you play a DSD, or upsample to DSD, it is way more memory that is needed to store the playing track. That's why there is this setting, and if you have issues like such buzzes, pauses, you'll want to decrease this value. it is now at 11.078mb out of 16 so less than the default you gave at first launch like 13... no upsampling, no plugins, just clicking the arrow back to see my 3200 covers window, makes some noise, but it doesn't buzz if i click a little library like my classic one or soul playlist with less albums... If You Got Ears, You Gotta Listen – Captain Beefheart MacMini 2018, 4xi3 3.6GHz, SSD, 20Gb, macOS Sonoma > Audirvana Origin > Wyred DAC2 DSD Special Edition > Proceed AMP2 > Focal Cobalt 826 Signature Series > Audirvana Remote > iPhone 13 Link to comment
RunHomeSlow Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 i just put back 3.2 and reload library... Audirvana loaded with default memory as 13gb out of 16. The Activity monitor is really different while playing the same thing. Audirvana and Audirvana Plus manage the CPU the same, loading in cache took a sec then my MacMini is only used like 2% of CPU, no problem there, but the management of memory or the windowserver memory is really different between 3.2 and 3.5, one picture is in MegaBytes and the other way bigger and in GigaBytes jrd1975 1 If You Got Ears, You Gotta Listen – Captain Beefheart MacMini 2018, 4xi3 3.6GHz, SSD, 20Gb, macOS Sonoma > Audirvana Origin > Wyred DAC2 DSD Special Edition > Proceed AMP2 > Focal Cobalt 826 Signature Series > Audirvana Remote > iPhone 13 Link to comment
RunHomeSlow Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 maybe a last picture... it is really easy to click playlists, let them load covers, clicking library, let it load, clicking prog playlist, back to library and i can make the memory go up in a minute in 3.5.x... jrd1975 1 If You Got Ears, You Gotta Listen – Captain Beefheart MacMini 2018, 4xi3 3.6GHz, SSD, 20Gb, macOS Sonoma > Audirvana Origin > Wyred DAC2 DSD Special Edition > Proceed AMP2 > Focal Cobalt 826 Signature Series > Audirvana Remote > iPhone 13 Link to comment
bnbayer Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 hours ago, damien78 said: The volume control slider is displayed and available when either: The DAC or network player offers a remote controllable volume control (for DACs it is often the one in their USB interface). Or the SW volume control is enabled. When SW volume control is enabled, it is the one controlled by Audirvana volume slider. SW volume control is disabled, and my DAC does not offer remote control anything, as far as I can tell. I'd like to be able to disable volume control by Audirvana in an absolute way: disabled no matter what (except me enabling it in preferences). Link to comment
mikeypas Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, bnbayer said: I'd like to be able to disable volume control by Audirvana in an absolute way: disabled no matter what (except me enabling it in preferences). Me too!! Link to comment
damien78 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 hours ago, bnbayer said: SW volume control is disabled, and my DAC does not offer remote control anything, as far as I can tell. I'd like to be able to disable volume control by Audirvana in an absolute way: disabled no matter what (except me enabling it in preferences). If you have not enabled SW volume control in Audirvana audio settings, then Audirvana is not performing any volume control. If you still have a volume slider, then this means your DAC is offering a volume control. If you want to bypass this one as well, then move the slider to 100% (0dB) in Audirvana. buonassi 1 MBP 15"/Mac Mini, Audirvana Plus, Audioquest Diamond USB, AMR DP-777, exD DSD DAC (for DSD), Pioneer N-70AE, Audioquest Niagara balanced/Viard Audio Design Silver HD, Accuphase E-560, Cabasse Sumatra MT420 Link to comment
bnbayer Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, damien78 said: If you have not enabled SW volume control in Audirvana audio settings, then Audirvana is not performing any volume control. If you still have a volume slider, then this means your DAC is offering a volume control. If you want to bypass this one as well, then move the slider to 100% (0dB) in Audirvana. My DAC has a physical volume control, not a software one. Link to comment
mikeypas Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 hours ago, damien78 said: If you have not enabled SW volume control in Audirvana audio settings, then Audirvana is not performing any volume control. If you still have a volume slider, then this means your DAC is offering a volume control. If you want to bypass this one as well, then move the slider to 100% (0dB) in Audirvana. This makes sense. But why is it then, if I move the volume slider from 100% in Audirvana (SW volume *not* enabled), that the DAC changes resolution (from DSD64 to PCM), and sometimes I get no output at all. It seems like it must stay on 100% (0db) for it to work properly. It would be nice indeed to have an option to disable that audirvana volume slider even if the dac offers so-called volume control, because it doesn't seem to function properly. The reason for this is if I accidentally hit the volume up or down button on the keyboard, it kills the music and I have put it back to 100% (0db) for it to work. Even better, the keyboard volume up and down can control the system built-in sound (speakers), and audirvana sound controlled solely by the dac. Link to comment
stefano_mbp Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 13 hours ago, mikeypas said: This makes sense. But why is it then, if I move the volume slider from 100% in Audirvana (SW volume *not* enabled), that the DAC changes resolution (from DSD64 to PCM), and sometimes I get no output at all. It seems like it must stay on 100% (0db) for it to work properly. It would be nice indeed to have an option to disable that audirvana volume slider even if the dac offers so-called volume control, because it doesn't seem to function properly. The reason for this is if I accidentally hit the volume up or down button on the keyboard, it kills the music and I have put it back to 100% (0db) for it to work. Even better, the keyboard volume up and down can control the system built-in sound (speakers), and audirvana sound controlled solely by the dac. try to disable the keyboard control options (Preferences/Miscellaneous) Stefano My audio system Link to comment
mikeypas Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 hours ago, stefano_mbp said: try to disable the keyboard control options (Preferences/Miscellaneous) Ugh, why didnt I think of that? Thanks Stefano, thats helpful! Link to comment
jrd1975 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Does anyone know if there is anyway to narrow down Qobuz searches in 3.5? For example if I search "Peter Gabriel" it returns 1000 albums! When you look at them, the top 30 or so are by that artist but then the rest of the results seem to just have some tenuous link. If I search for "Peter Gabriel" in Roon we get 23 albums..... I really hope this search funny and the memory issue can be resolved as 3.5 is so dang good! I really like using it on my office computer that is tethered directly to my DAC - to my ears sounds much better than running Roon this way (which I still love using for my network player...). Link to comment
DancingSea Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Does Audirvana have a convolution engine? Link to comment
Jud Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, DancingSea said: Does Audirvana have a convolution engine? I haven't used upsampling together with plugins myself, but if you can, that's convolution. But more specifically what do you want to do? One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
DancingSea Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Jud said: I haven't used upsampling together with plugins myself, but if you can, that's convolution. But more specifically what do you want to do? I’d like to make minor EQ adjustments to DSD playback. I do that using AU units for PCM and it sounds great. But it’s my understanding that AU’s don’t work on DSD unless its first downsampled to PCM. I prefer keeping dsd as dsd. In HQPlayer the convolution engine allows these sorts of adjustments with DSD files. So I was wondering of Audirvana allowed the same functionality? Link to comment
copy_of_a Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 47 minutes ago, DancingSea said: I’d like to make minor EQ adjustments to DSD playback. I do that using AU units for PCM and it sounds great. But it’s my understanding that AU’s don’t work on DSD unless its first downsampled to PCM. I prefer keeping dsd as dsd. In HQPlayer the convolution engine allows these sorts of adjustments with DSD files. So I was wondering of Audirvana allowed the same functionality? To my knowledge only HQPlayer provides processing (gain adjustment + convolution) of DSD source files. In any case Audirvana is not designed for such purposes... you have to resample to PCM to use AU Plugins. ____________________________________________________ Mac Mini, HQPlayer | iFi Zenstream (NAA) | Intona 7055-B | Singxer SDA-6 pro | Vincent SV237 | Buchardt S400 | SPL Phonitor One | Beyer DT1990pro | Avantone Pro Planar II Desktop: Audirvana Origin | Intona 7054 | SMSL M500MKII | Pro-Ject Stereo Box S | Aperion Novus B5 Bookshelf | Lehmann Rhinelander | Beyer DT700proX Link to comment
DancingSea Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 44 minutes ago, copy_of_a said: To my knowledge only HQPlayer provides processing (gain adjustment + convolution) of DSD source files. In any case Audirvana is not designed for such purposes... you have to resample to PCM to use AU Plugins. The Roon EQ also works with DSD source files. Though I’m not sure how they go about it. Link to comment
Jud Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I believe any such processing of DSD files has to be done when they are in a multibit state, whether you want to call that PCM, "DSD-wide," SDM, whatever. So somewhere in the processing chain I believe HQP would have to be doing that conversion from 1-bit to multibit. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post copy_of_a Posted June 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Jud said: I believe any such processing of DSD files has to be done when they are in a multibit state (...) I believe HQP would have to be doing that conversion from 1-bit to multibit. Sure! Audio processing at 1 bit would lead to incredible noise and distortion... Superdad and lucretius 2 ____________________________________________________ Mac Mini, HQPlayer | iFi Zenstream (NAA) | Intona 7055-B | Singxer SDA-6 pro | Vincent SV237 | Buchardt S400 | SPL Phonitor One | Beyer DT1990pro | Avantone Pro Planar II Desktop: Audirvana Origin | Intona 7054 | SMSL M500MKII | Pro-Ject Stereo Box S | Aperion Novus B5 Bookshelf | Lehmann Rhinelander | Beyer DT700proX Link to comment
jos Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 I don’t know about others, but since the latest version, or two, I noticed the database functionality seems to be messing up. odelay 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Booster MPS Posted June 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2019 Bit of a good bye and also a thank you to Damien for A+. I have replaced my Mac Mini with an Aurender, but this forum has been super helpful over the years. I have been an Audirvana user going back to the skeuomorphic design, into v 2.0, v 3.0, and now the 3.5 design. I learned a lot over here about how iZotope works from @Jud and @Superdad as they tested the engine. I will still keep up with how things develop with the product from time to time, but I have more than gotten my money's worth several times over. I will say that if you are thinking about swapping over to a purpose built audio streamer or server, it's worth it. cpvniii and Superdad 2 Link to comment
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