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On 2/19/2019 at 10:27 AM, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

UMG has not fessed up to actually doing this.  I'm still spot checking Deutsche Grammophon titles on Qobuz (titles I ended up purchasing the CD for in exasperation) and haven't found a watermarked title yet.

 

FWIW, here's why I think the UMG watermarking debacle has flown under the radar for so long:

 

  • Very easy to spot using headphones (mostly what I use), sometimes not obvious from speakers
  • UMG has thus far made zero public comment on the practice
  • Uncompressed streaming still not widely adopted by audiophiles
  • People don't want to believe they're paying $20/month for adulterated media

 

The one thing that Qobuz seems to have over Tidal is a genuine desire to advocate for their customers.  While Tidal has vaguely acknowledged the existence of the watermarks ("as the label intended"), all they've done is shrug.  Qobuz markets themselves as an audiophile service and audible watermarking is antithetic to audiophilia, so Qobuz apparently made a business decision to not taint their library with that stuff.

 

I'm still checking for watermarking... 

 

Is it possible that Qobuz's UMG library has a newer implementation of the MarkAny technology that is less audible?

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2 minutes ago, mrvco said:

 

Is it possible that Qobuz's UMG library has a newer implementation of the MarkAny technology that is less audible?

 

Interesting.  What information do you have on this new "less audible" version of MarkAny?

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I thought I was going to switch to Qobuz.  Then I realized they aren't really ready for the market as "our library isn't 100% ready" yet they want to still charge full price for their service that can't compete with their competition.  Nope, not this guy.  Throw in the fact that their customer service is really poor, I'll stick with Tidal until they figure their shit out or one goes under.  


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2 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

Interesting.  What information do you have on this new "less audible" version of MarkAny?

 

None other than it seems to be enough of an issue that I can hear the warbling on a pair of $150 headphones through Tidal.  I was assuming this issue was only now surfacing on higher bit-rate / lossless streaming services and it would need to be addressed , but apparently it has been reported on various streaming services since 2012.

 

Regardless, it does seem odd that it would be evident on Tidal and not Qobuz.  I'm in the US so I've only recently been able to access Qobuz, but is it possible that UMG is phasing out the use of audible watermarking and Tidal's library has yet to be refreshed?

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i will probably keep both, at least for the near-term.  I listen to Tidal and Qobuz through Roon, and I'm getting slightly better sound quality with MQA Studio Tidal files than Qobuz hi-rez files.  OTOH, I'm getting better sound quality with Qobuz hi-rez than non-Studio MQA Tidal files.  Go figure....

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12 minutes ago, mrvco said:

 

None other than it seems to be enough of an issue that I can hear the warbling on a pair of $150 headphones through Tidal.  I was assuming this issue was only now surfacing on higher bit-rate / lossless streaming services and it would need to be addressed , but apparently it has been reported on various streaming services since 2012.

 

Regardless, it does seem odd that it would be evident on Tidal and not Qobuz.  I'm in the US so I've only recently been able to access Qobuz, but is it possible that UMG is phasing out the use of audible watermarking and Tidal's library has yet to be refreshed?

 

I'm trying not to make any assumptions on why I can't find the watermarking on Qobuz.  I'm just happy their catalog seems to be (mostly) clean.

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I was originally planning to ditch Tidal for Qobuz but the lack of curated playlists that appealed to me is a deal breaker.  I need that channel for new music as I am too lazy for my own discovery chores.  

 

I really got spoiled by Spotify's custom playlist creations based on my listening habits.  Tidal now is doing this to with their "My Mixes 1 through 6" and they are pretty good. 

 

So for now, until Spotify goes hi-res or Qobuz implements customized user specific playlists, Tidal is my streaming provider.


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Currently too many holes in direct comparison between Tidal & Qobuz for me to consider switching to Qobuz at this time, beta status notwithstanding.  I do enjoy any and all genres, and, in my particular case, after spending a slightly unreasonable amount of time doing direct comparisons, I've personally found Qobuz to come up short.

 

Also, the oft-repeated point against Tidal as having some form of rap/hip-hop focus is simply a phantom argument, period...end of story.  I haven't been keyed in to that world since around 1996 (think the last rap CD I bought was Jurassic 5 in 2000) and I have no issue whatsoever with zeroing in on precisely what I'm looking to listen to, at any time, all without the feeling that I'm somehow, or in some way, being inundated with something I don't find enjoyable.  The front page, even without Roon (which I do use on my PC), is a complete non-issue.

 

Insofar as hi-res is concerned, while I've been quite an advocate in the past, I've grown quite weary over the last couple of years having to A. Wait for someone on SHF to take a bullet for the team, so to speak B. Buy it blind & hope for an improvement, and/or C. Find the release through "other means" and use that trial run as some sort of barometer to determine whether or not said release is worth owning.  In this instance, one would presume that having access  to a great deal of hi-res material would be ideal, right?  Well, maybe not.

 

In theory, it sounds wonderful.  In practice?  I'm not so sure, as of yet.  Is it cool? Absolutely!  Is it a vital part of your experience?  That's in the eye of the beholder.

 

As an early hi-res adopter, I've found, over the last couple of weeks during my trial, that I already own in hi-res most of the albums which I'd consider to be essential, and the ones I don't?  Not sure they mean enough to have them available in hi-res for the additional fee should I ever want to listen.  The value proposition here is tricky, since one who has never really dealt in hi-res before might consider this an untapped treasure trove, I don't know.  For me, I find interest waning and interesting releases slowing.  YMMV.

 

Sorry for prattling on.  Just some thoughts...Thanks for looking!

 

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