bobfa Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I recently built a NUC into an Akasa case as Roon networking bridge /endpoint with great results I have expanded the project to do a little more tinkering. I briefly played with WiFi, and I am pretty sure that the WiFi was messing with my system. The NUC I am using has an M.2 "e" slot for PCIe networking. There is an M.2 network card that drives an SFP. I am considering putting this in my NUC. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833453141&Description=M.2 SFP &cm_re=M.2_SFP-_-33-453-141-_-Product If you have a spare PCIe slot in your server, you can put a PCIe SFP card in the server. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833114123&ignorebbr=1 With these two network "cards" we can now test direct fiber between the server and the endpoint. This idea is going through my head while I am testing the TLS modified network switch. I have a PLAN! My current server is a Sonic Transporter i7 DSP that is set up for network bridging. I have a run of bog-standard CAT6 from the basement computer shelf to the system in the Living Room with the NUC. My TLS switch hooked up to an LPS-1.2 in the rack with the stereo. To start testing this idea I ordered some fiber gear from FS.COM as follows. (Ignore the switch for this part of my project) 8-Port Gigabit PoE+ Managed Switch with 2 SFP, 150W ID #73457 US$ 160.00x1 US$ 160.00 1000BASE-BX BiDi SFP 1310nm-TX/1550nm-RX 10km DOM Transceiver Module for FS Switches ID #29892 US$ 9.00x2 US$ 18.00 1000BASE-BX BiDi SFP 1550nm-TX/1310nm-RX 10km DOM Transceiver Module for FS Switches ID #29893 US$ 12.00x2 US$ 24.00 Unmanaged 1x 10/100/1000Base-T RJ45 to 1x 1000Base-X SFP, Gigabit Ethernet Media Converter, AC 100V~240V ID #17237 US$ 31.00x2 US$ 62.00 1m (3ft) LC UPC to LC UPC Simplex OS2 Single Mode PVC (OFNR) 2.0mm Fiber Optic Patch Cable ID #40446 US$ 1.50x2 US$ 3.00 5m (16ft) LC UPC to LC UPC Simplex OS2 Single Mode PVC (OFNR) 2.0mm Fiber Optic Patch Cable ID #40436 US$ 1.90x2 US$ 3.80 15m (49ft) LC UPC to LC UPC Simplex OS2 Single Mode PVC (OFNR) 2.0mm Fiber Optic Patch Cable ID #40441 US$ 3.00x2 US$ 6.00 The first test configuration was system validation placing the FMC devices between the home network and the server using a short fiber cable. Everything operated as expected for four hours while I was working. Plug and Play! Note that the SFP system I am using has a Single Mode single fiber and the SFP's are in pairs transmitting on 1310 or 1550. There is now a 15M fiber cable between the endpoints. I powered the server-side FMC with one rail of the HDPLEX 200 supply. The second FMC is next to the TLS switch. I only have one LPS up there, so the FMC is on the provided SMPS. Here is the test plan outline. *** I like to work backward from what I think will be the best.*** With a little more run-in time on the TLS switch I will listen between the fiber network and Ethernet network with the TLS switch as the last hop before the NUC. Then I will remove the switch and power the FMC with the LPS 1.2 to see how that sounds. Finally drop back to ethernet only. ------- After all that I will decide about trying the direct fiber to the NUC. I am considering building a fanless Xeon server that will have one or two SFP ports to isolate the server from the rest of the network without additional switching or wireless. As a final note the FMC devices are network switch gear and I am sure that they introduce some sort of noise. Much to consider here. My Audio Systems Link to comment
austinpop Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Entering the peanut gallery... My Audio Setup Link to comment
bobfa Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 The first phase of listening has started. On Friday my friend Keith visited and we spent about four hours listening. We tested two configurations using the fiber-optic link between the server and the endpoint. We were listening to the changes in the system with and without the TLS Switch. I have an LPS-1.2 on the switch but the FMC on that end is running on the provided SMPS. The server end of the system uses the HDPLEX200 running the FMC on one output along with the Sonic Transporter. When we started the A/B blind testing and it was totally obvious that the switch just works. The soundstage expansion and the detail improvements, the instrumental separation all jump out when we swapped back and forth. The next couple of hours we listened to the system with the TLS switch in. At the end of the afternoon I realized that I was not tired from listening. I do not remember that happening before. soares 1 My Audio Systems Link to comment
tboooe Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Question...why did you choose simplex fiber cables instead of duplex? 12TB NAS >> i7-6700 Server/Control PC >> i3-5015u NAA >> Singxer SU-1 DDC (modded) >> Holo Spring L3 DAC >> Accustic Arts Power 1 int amp >> Sonus Faber Guaneri Evolution speakers + REL T/5i sub (x2) Other components: UpTone Audio LPS1.2/IsoRegen, Fiber Switch and FMC, Windows Server 2016 OS, Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, Fidelizer Pro 6, HQ Player, Roonserver, PS Audio P3 AC regenerator, HDPlex 400W ATX & 200W Linear PSU, Light Harmonic Lightspeed Split USB cable, Synergistic Research Tungsten AC power cords, Tara Labs The One speaker cables, Tara Labs The Two Extended with HFX Station IC, Oyaide R1 outlets, Stillpoints Ultra Mini footers, Hi-Fi Tuning fuses, Vicoustic/RealTraps/GIK room treatments Link to comment
bobfa Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 I have been using single fiber systems in production networking for a while. I always use Single Mode Fiber. I have deployed it in industrial environments with great success. There are fewer connections to fail. I try to buy from a single source and that has been Ubiquity. Their stuff just works. I did not have any spares on hand so I tried some gear from FS.com where I purchase some of the cables I use. I will actually be converting my whole network at home to Ubiquity soon. I want a single console for everything. Right now there are multiple management points. My Audio Systems Link to comment
wklie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 On 2/17/2019 at 11:17 AM, bobfa said: I have deployed it in industrial environments with great success. There are fewer connections to fail. That makes sense. Since you're doing this for SQ experimentation (I think) I recommend you get a duplex 1310nm module and duplex Corning ClearCurve single mode fiber to try too. Peter Lie LUMIN Firmware Lead Link to comment
tboooe Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 hours ago, wklie said: That makes sense. Since you're doing this for SQ experimentation (I think) I recommend you get a duplex 1310nm module and duplex Corning ClearCurve single mode fiber to try too. Where can people buy Clearcurve already terminated in short lengths? 12TB NAS >> i7-6700 Server/Control PC >> i3-5015u NAA >> Singxer SU-1 DDC (modded) >> Holo Spring L3 DAC >> Accustic Arts Power 1 int amp >> Sonus Faber Guaneri Evolution speakers + REL T/5i sub (x2) Other components: UpTone Audio LPS1.2/IsoRegen, Fiber Switch and FMC, Windows Server 2016 OS, Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, Fidelizer Pro 6, HQ Player, Roonserver, PS Audio P3 AC regenerator, HDPlex 400W ATX & 200W Linear PSU, Light Harmonic Lightspeed Split USB cable, Synergistic Research Tungsten AC power cords, Tara Labs The One speaker cables, Tara Labs The Two Extended with HFX Station IC, Oyaide R1 outlets, Stillpoints Ultra Mini footers, Hi-Fi Tuning fuses, Vicoustic/RealTraps/GIK room treatments Link to comment
wklie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, tboooe said: Where can people buy Clearcurve already terminated in short lengths? See if these look right: https://www.ebay.com/itm/3m-LC-LC-Duplex-9-125um-Corning-Clearcurve-Single-Mode-Bend-Insensitive-Fiber/332640995774?hash=item4d72f2c9be:g:mdUAAOSw7tVa7Ocm:rk:3:pf:0 https://www.fs.com/products/68296.html Peter Lie LUMIN Firmware Lead Link to comment
bobfa Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Interesting idea. I am going to complete my original plan where I replace the network links between the server and the endpoint with fiber first then between the server and the network. I have a few more steps on that path. My Audio Systems Link to comment
tboooe Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, wklie said: https://www.fs.com/products/68296.html Thank you. I 've been looking at the FS.com products but I am not sure if it uses the Corning Clearcurve fiber. 12TB NAS >> i7-6700 Server/Control PC >> i3-5015u NAA >> Singxer SU-1 DDC (modded) >> Holo Spring L3 DAC >> Accustic Arts Power 1 int amp >> Sonus Faber Guaneri Evolution speakers + REL T/5i sub (x2) Other components: UpTone Audio LPS1.2/IsoRegen, Fiber Switch and FMC, Windows Server 2016 OS, Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, Fidelizer Pro 6, HQ Player, Roonserver, PS Audio P3 AC regenerator, HDPlex 400W ATX & 200W Linear PSU, Light Harmonic Lightspeed Split USB cable, Synergistic Research Tungsten AC power cords, Tara Labs The One speaker cables, Tara Labs The Two Extended with HFX Station IC, Oyaide R1 outlets, Stillpoints Ultra Mini footers, Hi-Fi Tuning fuses, Vicoustic/RealTraps/GIK room treatments Link to comment
knecht Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I'm using a a pair of TrendNet 4-port switches with SFP between my cable modem, Roon NUC, and PSA DS Sr and they work great. Running OM3 fiber from fibercablesdirect. I'm using a Kenneth Lau LPS for the NUC and one of the switches and a iPower for the second switch near the cable modem. I like the fact I can use LPS power supplies with them. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019IHWSF0 Link to comment
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