Doak Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Honestly, I have gotten blaze' regarding streamers/servers/transports and am thinking more seriously now about the beauty of "simple." The closest thing to a "truism" I have encountered in 40+ years of "messing with" music reproduction systems is (to paraphrase Einstein): Simple sounds better - as long as it works. Over the past 10+ years I've done computer audiophile type stuff and then 4 years or so ago on to commercial streamers/transports/servers. IMO it is STILL too damned complicated and a real hassle to optimize it all for best SQ. I've heard hints over the years about SD cards being capable of excellent SQ .... and some say that CF cards are even better but will table that discussion for now. My research, though not painstakingly thorough, has not turned up a viable non-DIY product that fits my schema for a PnP SD Card "Server". Best solution is probably as offered in top level Resonessence DACs where SD slot is built into their top level model ($5-6K) but I would rather not give up my Lampizator nor throw that much $$ at this project. So, how about an SD card transport with USB/I2S output plus either a built in screen, HDMI out to monitor or WiFi w/app control? If there is anything out there that even roughly resembles the above description I would love to know about it. If not, maybe we can generate some interest for product development. *BTW: I am aware of the ongoing (several years) MicroSD Memory Card Transport Project and it IMO does not meet the criteria I have specified. Doak's Audio System Link to comment
Popular Post Norton Posted January 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 6:37 PM, Doak said: If there is anything out there that even roughly resembles the above description I would love to know about i in spirit if not letter of request: https://www.ecdesigns.nl/en/info/upl16 I use one with companion DAC - best RBCD replay I’ve heard for detail retrieval. <€800 the pair. Alternatively, you can get good s/h deals on the Resonessence Mirus (factory upgradeable to signature pro spec) Doak and Monge 1 1 Link to comment
Doak Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, Norton said: in spirit if not letter of request: https://www.ecdesigns.nl/en/info/upl16 I use one with companion DAC - best RBCD replay I’ve heard for detail retrieval. <€800 the pair. Alternatively, you can get good s/h deals on the Resonessence Mirus (factory upgradeable to signature pro spec) Thanks for your post, Norton. Your latter suggestion is one I am pursuing, not w/o trepidation however. I do kind of Love my Lampizator. 🤓 Doak's Audio System Link to comment
Hauser Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I understand you dismissed DIY but consider Tirna hifi as a good source of info on Sd card players. Check under the Computer Audio heading. There is currently progress on a group buy Dac using an SD card reader on one thread and also an earlier thread discussing commercially available devices. Not as convenient as an Aries, though. Martin. Doak 1 Link to comment
tapatrick Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Hauser said: I understand you dismissed DIY but consider Tirna hifi as a good source of info on Sd card players. Check under the Computer Audio heading. There is currently progress on a group buy Dac using an SD card reader on one thread and also an earlier thread discussing commercially available devices. Not as convenient as an Aries, though. Martin. I’ll second that. I bought one of the £40 Chinese SD card players with I2S out discovered on TirnaHifi and it’s the best sounding source I’ve tried especially with clean power. It just doesn’t fit well with my system as I mostly stream music and you need to load the cards. Every now and then I hook it up to the I2S input on my PS Audio Junior DAC and smile. Doak 1 Topaz 2.5Kva Isolation Transformer > EtherRegen switch powered by Paul Hynes SR4 LPS >MacBook Pro 2013 > EC Designs PowerDac SX > TNT UBYTE-2 Speaker cables > Omega Super Alnico Monitors > 2x Rel T Zero Subwoofers. Link to comment
Doak Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 Thanks guys,, at least they’ve taken the PC out of the mix. The 35 page thread @ tirnahifi are interesting reading. 👍 http://www.tirnahifi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4541 Doak's Audio System Link to comment
Dr Tone Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 12:37 PM, Doak said: Best solution is probably as offered in top level Resonessence DACs where SD slot is built into their top level model ($5-6K) FWIW: Their top model is the Mirus Signature Pro that is 8K US. Roon Rock->Auralic Aria G2->Schiit Yggdrasil A2->McIntosh C47->McIntosh MC301 Monos->Wilson Audio Sabrinas Link to comment
Norton Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 18 hours ago, Doak said: Thanks for your post, Norton. Your latter suggestion is one I am pursuing, not w/o trepidation however. I do kind of Love my Lampizator. 🤓 I have the Resonessence Mirus too, but if you are prepared to gamble €800, I’d still suggest trying the EC designs player and DAC. My wholly subjective opinion is that it’s a remarkable combination. But only for 16/44 WAV (24/96 for more €) and navigation by numbered folders and tracks. Link to comment
Doak Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Norton said: I have the Resonessence Mirus too, but if you are prepared to gamble €800, I’d still suggest trying the EC designs player and DAC. My wholly subjective opinion is that it’s a remarkable combination. But only for 16/44 WAV (24/96 for more €) and navigation by numbered folders and tracks. Thanks, wish the EC was my cuppa tea .... I play DSD and hi-res PCM for most of my listening. Doak's Audio System Link to comment
Doak Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 Having dug fairly deeply into the Tirana HiFi thread, I can now say that I feel that DIY thread is not anywhere near what I consider a “solution” of the type specified in my original post. While I would not dream of having an SD card music transport as my only nor my primary means of playing digital music, I’d love to have the option - while still being able to utilize a DAC of my choice. Why? Simplicity AND top sound quality. The latter reason is what is spurring on the two DIY threads mentioned here. Time to throw down the gauntlet to those with the technical know-how to produce a viable product. Being a vinylphile who has, at last, fallen for digital I liken such an SD transport to a turntable of sorts - like picking a record of your choice off of the shelf putting it on (in) the the player then push a button or two to play it. Doak's Audio System Link to comment
kelvinwsy Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 6moons audio review of the Soundaware D300Ref gives this microSD card player top marks https://6moons.com/audioreviews2/soundaware4/1.html Doak 1 Link to comment
Hauser Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 If you dig a little deeper into the Tirna site, there is a thread where improving functionality of the SD cad player is discussed; 'SD player Ui development'. Despite their enthusiasm and dedication, nothing viable was achieved. Their intention was to enable wifi to load the SD card thereby eliminating the small memory capacity and having control by wifi. They didn't have sufficient software skills to succeed. Probably the best bet would have been the suggestion to use Chinese skills but cost and unknowns meant this route was not pursued. The SD player thread does suggest a commercial SD card player that has a screen, button control and a remote. That should comply with the requirements of your last paragraph. Martin Doak 1 Link to comment
Popular Post tapatrick Posted February 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2019 From the TiranHifi site: This is the complete boxed version of the SD card player with DAC included (which could be bypassed to a better DAC) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/220V-110V-STM32F407ZET6-AK4495SEQ-DAC-decoder-SD-lossless-digital-turntable-Support-DSD-64GB-of-memory-With/32834850684.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.43.3fe276e3yP7Cih&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_5722815_10342_10343_10340_5722915_10341_10698_5722615_10697_10696_10084_10083_10618_10304_10307_10302_5722715_10059_5723015_10534_308_100031_10103_441_10624_10623_10622_5722515_10621_10620-normal#cfs,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=a16673c7-a08b-45a5-b3ed-6aa70d49ba4f-6&algo_pvid=a16673c7-a08b-45a5-b3ed-6aa70d49ba4f&transAbTest=ae803_1&priceBeautifyAB=0 Doak, Monge and panasonicst60 3 Topaz 2.5Kva Isolation Transformer > EtherRegen switch powered by Paul Hynes SR4 LPS >MacBook Pro 2013 > EC Designs PowerDac SX > TNT UBYTE-2 Speaker cables > Omega Super Alnico Monitors > 2x Rel T Zero Subwoofers. Link to comment
Norton Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 9 hours ago, Doak said: Being a vinylphile who has, at last, fallen for digital I liken such an SD transport to a turntable of sorts Too bad you can’t learn to love RBCD...the more you post, the more I think the ECD combo could be what you are looking for. I too am a vinyl fan, with c 4K lps, plus a decent hires/DSD library too, but I’ve been bowled over by this kit. The combination of simplicity with super detail and unfatiguing, airy presentation is addictive. I have no relationship with ECD other than as a satisfied recent customer. I’ll shut up about it now. Doak 1 Link to comment
Doak Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 5 hours ago, tapatrick said: From the TiranHifi site: This is the complete boxed version of the SD card player with DAC included (which could be bypassed to a better DAC) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/220V-110V-STM32F407ZET6-AK4495SEQ-DAC-decoder-SD-lossless-digital-turntable-Support-DSD-64GB-of-memory-With/32834850684.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.43.3fe276e3yP7Cih&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_5722815_10342_10343_10340_5722915_10341_10698_5722615_10697_10696_10084_10083_10618_10304_10307_10302_5722715_10059_5723015_10534_308_100031_10103_441_10624_10623_10622_5722515_10621_10620-normal#cfs,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=a16673c7-a08b-45a5-b3ed-6aa70d49ba4f-6&algo_pvid=a16673c7-a08b-45a5-b3ed-6aa70d49ba4f&transAbTest=ae803_1&priceBeautifyAB=0 AOK,, Thanks. Managed to miss this while wading through the techie talk. Will look at this box very carefully and gladly pay $150 or so for a viable solution. 👍 tapatrick 1 Doak's Audio System Link to comment
Doak Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Norton said: Too bad you can’t learn to love RBCD...the more you post, the more I think the ECD combo could be what you are looking for. I too am a vinyl fan, with c 4K lps, plus a decent hires/DSD library too, but I’ve been bowled over by this kit. The combination of simplicity with super detail and unfatiguing, airy presentation is addictive. I have no relationship with ECD other than as a satisfied recent customer. I’ll shut up about it now. The ECD thingee is a neat setup, though definitely not for me. Hi-res and DSD is what it took for me to take digital seriously. Doak's Audio System Link to comment
Doak Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 9 hours ago, kelvinwsy said: 6moons audio review of the Soundaware D300Ref gives this microSD card player top marks https://6moons.com/audioreviews2/soundaware4/1.html Thanks, I had seen this solution and the Soundaware is what got me thinking about a stand-alone SD card solution. If/when I want to get away from my Auralic Aries it will be on my short list.... though no USB out does present a problem. Doak's Audio System Link to comment
Norton Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Well there’s always this https://www.lessloss.com/laminar-streamer-sd-player-p-207.html might be worth buying two to get the 5% discount... Link to comment
Doak Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, Norton said: Well there’s always this https://www.lessloss.com/laminar-streamer-sd-player-p-207.html might be worth buying two to get the 5% discount... HA! Yes, I'd been following THAT one and hoping for some "trickle down." I did download their free poster though: https://www.lessloss.com/docs/LessLoss-Laminar_Streamer-POSTER-700x450mm.pdf Doak's Audio System Link to comment
tapatrick Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Doak said: AOK,, Thanks. Managed to miss this while wading through the techie talk. Will look at this box very carefully and gladly pay $150 or so for a viable solution. 👍 The SD card player board in this one is the same one I tried. It really is a gem. I imagine the DAC may not be the best but the card is very simple and effective source, unbelievable quality at this price. Topaz 2.5Kva Isolation Transformer > EtherRegen switch powered by Paul Hynes SR4 LPS >MacBook Pro 2013 > EC Designs PowerDac SX > TNT UBYTE-2 Speaker cables > Omega Super Alnico Monitors > 2x Rel T Zero Subwoofers. Link to comment
Superdad Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 28 minutes ago, Norton said: Well there’s always this https://www.lessloss.com/laminar-streamer-sd-player-p-207.html might be worth buying two to get the 5% discount... $91,181?! That’s insane—and an oddly specific number (I mean really, someone paying $91K yet that extra $181 is crucial to the profit margin? ) Ralf11 1 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
tapatrick Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doak said: HA! Yes, I'd been following THAT one and hoping for some "trickle down." I've been watching that one and looks state of the art but it's a slow trickle! Has one even been made? its easy to generate cool visuals these days.... Topaz 2.5Kva Isolation Transformer > EtherRegen switch powered by Paul Hynes SR4 LPS >MacBook Pro 2013 > EC Designs PowerDac SX > TNT UBYTE-2 Speaker cables > Omega Super Alnico Monitors > 2x Rel T Zero Subwoofers. Link to comment
4est Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 minute ago, tapatrick said: I've been watching that one and looks state of the art but it's a slow trickle! Has one even been made? its easy to generate cool visuals these days.... Just wait for the kick starter! Forrest: Win10 i9 9900KS/GTX1060 HQPlayer4>Win10 NAA DSD>Pavel's DSC2.6>Bent Audio TAP> Parasound JC1>"Naked" Quad ESL63/Tannoy PS350B subs<100Hz Link to comment
Superdad Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, 4est said: Just wait for the kick starter! Shhhh... Please don’t give give LH Labs any ideas. jjraffin 1 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
Doak Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 Found this one on AliExpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/R-018-HDP2-24Bit-HIFI-Music-Digital-Turntable-Player-DSD-PCM-CS4398-DAC-Remote-Control-SDHC/1070003_32865283913.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000023.18.40036cc7fJC978 R-018 HDP2 24Bit HIFI Music Digital Turntable Player DSD PCM CS4398 DAC Remote Control SDHC 256G It has coax and toslink outs among other goodies and while not cheap appears to be PnP ready. Would appreciate others looking this one over and offering their comments, opinions, additions. Doak's Audio System Link to comment
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