Shattering Cancer with Resonant Frequencies | Professional Musician Scientist

[Axial]

By Anthony Holland 

[marce]

More crank cures for cancer, why post this shit is does not help cancer research or cancer sufferers...

 

[Blackmorec]

1 hour ago, marce said:

More crank cures for cancer, why post this shit is does not help cancer research or cancer sufferers...

 

Would you like to provide some evidence for your statement? 

[STC]

Heard something similar but it was a rather straight forward in details about using frequency to heat up the cancerous cells. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/oct/31/ultrasound-cancer-research-hifu-bone-trial

 

 

 

[marce]

Go read up on it, its a music professor for a start... Or provide some serious links yourself that back this up.

I know snake oil and dubious claims are common for consumer audio, but this stuff is beyond the joke. In audio its a bit of fun, with cancer its not.

So go do some research regarding this... I could only find it mentioned on the usual crank sites.

If someone is going to post something regarding cancer cures then at least post something from mainstream medicine where real research by real doctors is being done, such as the research into high powered ultrasound heating up cells and destroying them.

[marce]

2 minutes ago, STC said:

Heard something similar but it was a rather straight forward in details about using frequency to heat up the cancerous cells. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/oct/31/ultrasound-cancer-research-hifu-bone-trial

 

 

 

Not quite similar, this involves focused energy heating up the cancer cells and is research done by medical doctors not a composer.

[Blackmorec]

32 minutes ago, marce said:

Go read up on it, its a music professor for a start... Or provide some serious links yourself that back this up.

I know snake oil and dubious claims are common for consumer audio, but this stuff is beyond the joke. In audio its a bit of fun, with cancer its not.

So go do some research regarding this... I could only find it mentioned on the usual crank sites.

If someone is going to post something regarding cancer cures then at least post something from mainstream medicine where real research by real doctors is being done, such as the research into high powered ultrasound heating up cells and destroying them.

OK, got it. As a matter of fact I have read up about it. I also have over  40 years experience in scientific high tech, including similar techniques. Frankly his ideas and technology sound altogether feasible. There will no doubt be some technical difficulties to overcome but the idea of using tuned wavelengths to resonate and thereby destroy specific cells is entirely logical. What he’s done is find the right wavelengths and their harmonics which is something a music professor would understand very well.  In concept its not that different from using UV light as a sterilising agent. 

I have a quite a bit of experience sitting in R&D meetings where a genius will be discussing his ground breaking ideas and be constantly interrupted by his less gifted colleagues pointing out why his ideas can’t work. I have seen many of those ideas reach fruition and become a commercial and scientific success. One example is fused silica capillary columns for chromatography. The idea came from a production engineer who happened to be visiting a fibre optic manufacturing facility. Fused silica revolutionised analytical chemistry and has become a worldwide standard. Another was diode array detectors, which one famous professor claimed would have condensed his 3 year PhD research into about 1 months work 

Sometimes its not about whether someone is specifically qualified in a particular field, its about whether they have the intelligence and mental faculties to join particular dots, which is exactly what this guy did.  In my experience this is how some of the world’s most important breakthroughs happen.....cross pollination from different fields that reach non-obvious but highly significant conclusions. 

During my career I had the pleasure to work with some of the world’s foremost researchers in the fields of Biology, Chemisty, Genetics and Biochemistry. Essentially we engineered the tools they use in their work. My background is clinical pathology. So, based on my experience I find this research really quite exciting. 

[marce]

Then why in this instance is their no main stream references to the work or work similar, sorry its all over the quack cancer cure websites but no mention in mainstream.

I don't mind quackery in audio, hair care products, magnetic rings etc. but cancer... And there are a lot of quack cures and ideas regarding cancer... Whilst it may be feasible why is it not being taken seriously by mainstream cancer research, the holy grail these days is a cure for cancer in all its evil little forms.

Sorry but I have a thing about crank cures for cancer, there are so many and so many twisted facts.

If they did develop it to work it would be wonderful, anythings better than chemo.

[Blackmorec]

1 minute ago, marce said:

Then why in this instance is their no main stream references to the work or work similar, sorry its all over the quack cancer cure websites but no mention in mainstream.

I don't mind quackery in audio, hair care products, magnetic rings etc. but cancer... And there are a lot of quack cures and ideas regarding cancer... Whilst it may be feasible why is it not being taken seriously by mainstream cancer research, the holy grail these days is a cure for cancer in all its evil little forms.

Sorry but I have a thing about crank cures for cancer, there are so many and so many twisted facts.

If they did develop it to work it would be wonderful, anythings better than chemo.

Research into cancer looks at many different areas, including DNA mutations and how damage occurs, environmental factors,  targeted immuno- phishing based on tumor antigenic properties, targeted anti-body engineering, ‘customized’ immune cell manipulation, bio markers, nano-technology for targeted therapy delivery, , microenvironment, mode of malignancy, morphology, cytoskeleton protein structures,  cell membranes etc. It looks at prevention, detection, location, identification, treatment, recurrence, genetics, environmental factors, epidemiology etc. Papers are published in all kinds of journals and in many different disciplines so I don’t know how you’d classify something as ‘main stream’ given the myriad different approaches.  For me, main stream means publishing research in proper scientific, peer reviewed journals....that’s really all. 

But think about this...when it comes to preventing cancer the genie is well and truly out of the bottle. The World is full of cancer causing agents and getting worse each year, so prevention is going to have to be very specific e.g don’t smoke, don’t abuse alcohol etc. Beyond avoiding the obvious, there’s very little else possible in terms of prevention. Then consider that practically every cell type and organ in the body can develop cancer of some kind if the cells’ DNA is sufficiently damaged, so developing specific treatments and delivery mechanisms by cell type is going to be a very long and laborious exercise.  Then think about collateral damage....you want to kill cancer cells but leave normal healthy cells unaffected.  So what do you need?  You need a mechanism that is common to every type of cancer cell. (Tick the box for resonance). You need it to be cell specific (tick again for the resonance box). You need it to be ‘tunable’ so you can address every type of cancer (tick), you need to to leave healthy cells alone (another tick);  you need it to leave the patient healthy (tick), and you need it to be well tolerated (tick). 

So quite frankly labelling this exciting development as ‘shit’ based on the fact that the research is often referenced by Dr Google in his non-scientific websites is (add your chosen adjective here.......)😉

 

[jabbr]

3 hours ago, Blackmorec said:

My background is clinical pathology. So, based on my experience I find this research really quite exciting. 

The use of ultrasound to destroy cells dates back at least 50 years and has been long commercialized — if you are experienced you would undoubtedly know “CUSA”, Cavitron, SonoPet etc etc etc.

 

Perhaps a music prof has experience destroying cochlear tumors? 😂

 

Seriously though, in terms of actual research techniques using MR/RF to selectively heat tissues based on chemical composition are interesting ...

[marce]

I disagree with your enthusiasm for this so called cure... 

Just point to one respected source that references this information, I have searched and not found one, yet.

There is a thesis from 1979 by Gordon RT (Resonance induced alterations of intracellular biophysical properties) again it would be heat build up within the cell that causes the destruction... 

Resonance induced alterations of intracellular biophysical properties.

And then this...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006349502754738

And the previously mentioned ultrasound stuff.

[jabbr]

My main objection is that in the intro he claims to have discovered this “resonance” stuff when in reality that’s how lasers selectively target tissues, and then there’s just this vast areas of research that’s already been done and not even mentioned ... gaak 

[jabbr]

1 hour ago, Blackmorec said:

So what do you need?  You need a mechanism that is common to every type of cancer cell. (Tick the box for resonance). You need it to be cell specific (tick again for the resonance box). You need it to be ‘tunable’ so you can address every type of cancer (tick), you need to to leave healthy cells alone (another tick);  you need it to leave the patient healthy (tick), and you need it to be well tolerated (tick). 

Seriously ...?

[marce]

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/40168/can-resonant-frequencies-kill-cancer-cells

http://novobiotronics.com/Cancer1.html

Plenty more...

Me I am still very sceptical of this... Too many debatable cures etc. for cancer, to many offering miracle cures to an often desperate audience....

Me I'd rather trust the doctors and nurses that have been treating it for years rather than a composer.... with no medical training.

[Blackmorec]

Hey Axial,

Thanks for posting this. Fascinating stuff. Very similar to work done in Russia and the USSR on  Millimeter Waves. Different frequency spectrum but no less fascinating 

 

[marce]

LOL

[marce]

Big Pharma is to blame...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Pharma_conspiracy_theory

 

 

[Ralf11]

well, I reported this way way OT thread but since it was apparently judged suitable for computer audiophile styling...

 

 

ras gene

[esldude]

4 hours ago, Blackmorec said:

Hey Axial,

Thanks for posting this. Fascinating stuff. Very similar to work done in Russia and the USSR on  Millimeter Waves. Different frequency spectrum but no less fascinating 

 

I thought China and Russia were using those crickets?😚

[wgscott]

Next up ... the Alex Jones hour.

[Axial]

6 hours ago, Blackmorec said:

Hey Axial,

Thanks for posting this. Fascinating stuff. Very similar to work done in Russia and the USSR on  Millimeter Waves. Different frequency spectrum but no less fascinating 

 

They also use sound waves to kill cancer cells. 

 

[Ralf11]

8 hours ago, jabbr said:

Seriously ...?

 

There actually is one kernal of truth in his post.

 

Consider: "You need a mechanism that is common to every type of cancer cell."

 

One would certainly like to be able to affect that mechanism.  It would make tmt. a LOT easier.

 

Maybe some sort of RNA fixer...

[Ralf11]

1 hour ago, Axial said:

 total loonie 

 

 

pretty much says it all

 

 

in a self-referential way

[marce]

10 hours ago, Axial said:

Before saying this why don't you use some respect. You come up as a total loonie who has nothing better to do in life than being a nasty sunnabaggun. 

 

How's that for a reply to your nasty remark. 

Do you have some education. 

 

If you are going to post in that style, I suggest you go play somewhere else. Don't come in my thread with that type of attitude, I got no time for people like you, zero. 

Your insults are rude and will be reported, I gave my view regarding your initial post... I did not think it was the right place to post that sort of content and a brief look around would have rung alarm bells.

Instead of taking what you have posted at face value do some research, its all a bit dodgy. No real data, the same video clip from 2013, nothing on their website, same with the facebook page. I go do some research instead of taking things at face value.

For the record I have a vested interest in this, having had 6 operations one a radical cystectomy (https://www.cuh.nhs.uk/book/export/html/681), chemotherapy, BCG and all the other fun that's having cancer brings to your life. I'm luck, I' still here and hope to be for a while.

So stuff your attitude, I have every right to comment on your post on a public forum, your pathetic name calling is noted.

[Blackmorec]

3 hours ago, marce said:

Your insults are rude and will be reported, I gave my view regarding your initial post... I did not think it was the right place to post that sort of content and a brief look around would have rung alarm bells.

Instead of taking what you have posted at face value do some research, its all a bit dodgy. No real data, the same video clip from 2013, nothing on their website, same with the facebook page. I go do some research instead of taking things at face value.

For the record I have a vested interest in this, having had 6 operations one a radical cystectomy (https://www.cuh.nhs.uk/book/export/html/681), chemotherapy, BCG and all the other fun that's having cancer brings to your life. I'm luck, I' still here and hope to be for a while.

So stuff your attitude, I have every right to comment on your post on a public forum, your pathetic name calling is noted.

Frankly Marce, in a way that makes your response all the more surprising. I guess you’re just tired of being misled by all the hoopla and bs around pseudo cancer cures. I get that, I really do. But what I find appealing about this research isn’t the video, the website or the promises. What i really like is the logic and simplicity.  There has been a lot of genuine scientific work done on Millimeter Waves that showed tremendous promise.  That work was done in Russia, which funds huge amounts of fundamental research while doing very little (in fact nothing) to commercialise the results. You wouldn’t believe some of the stuff I’ve seen in labs that never see the light of day. 

The US is entirely different. A lot of funding is done in the expectation of a return, while research that may negatively impact the established encumbants is often very hard to find. The people with the money have lots of vested interests. This guy is trying to raise money to carry on his research and the only thing he has to sell is hope that eventually it will lead to a cure. I think that’s absolutely OK. 

This research is done by a music professor with a huge interest in science and particularly physics. Its a strange combination. A music professor with access to a research lab and friends in other scientific branches. This whole research has the smell or serendipity, and some of the World’s greatest discoveries came about through unusual combinations of accident, observation, curiosity and opportunity. 

Look at where we are today and where we were 100 years ago. That progress will continue. And the basis for all that progress is discovery....some of it by methodical, targeted research and some by the mechanisms I mentioned  above. A hundred years from here its not impossible to believe that cancer will have been conquered and cures will be altogether more gentle and less invasive. We’ve got to be open to any discovery that looks promising because otherwise we may miss the answer. 

 

I have my own medical story. I was a marathon runner who within a short while became chronically fatigued to the point crossing the road or drying my hair became a challenge. After exhaustive testing (s’cuse the pun) revealed nothing Doctors diagnosed the condition as ME, or Chronic Fatigue, for which there was no known cause and no known cure. I refused to accept that I could go from running ultra-marathons to needing a rest after picking up the soap in the shower without a reason, so i set about looking for it. Being in the industry I have friends with labs and access to labs full of analytical equipment.  I tested everything....all my furniture, carpets, the dust in my house, my blood, stool, urine etc. What did I find? Firstly every test paid for by medical insurance came back normal...the only way I found abnormalities was to fund my own testing. Testing that some would label pseudo science because its not mainstream. Ultimately I found chronic disbiosis....gut flora with huge yeast overgrowth and massive mercury poisoning caused by a surgical procedure gone wrong that was treated with mercurochrome. I also found a large carpet that had been treated with high concentration of Permethrin and woodwork that had been treated with PCP, both pesticides now banned. When I got rid of the xenobiotics and remediate the gut flora the chronic fatigue and all its symptoms disappeared.  The only reason I found all that and recovered was because I had access to all the testing I needed and a certainty that there had to be a cause.  

In conclusion what may look like rubbish to you looks like a very interesting and logical line of enquiry to me. And let’s face it, life for the whole human race will improve when the Sword of  Damocles that is cancer and its treatment is removed.