Objectivists/Subjectivists

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On 12/28/2018 at 2:51 PM, lasker98 said:

If I'm wrong, I apologize. Have you ever tried a high-end USB or digital cable? By high-end I'll consider >$200.00.

 

I have also. Both USB and Ethernet.

 

But here is the issue:

 

Not one person here claiming all sorts of dubious merits will submit to a single blinded test.

 

I find that subjectivists simply trust, objectivists verify.

 

So let me offer ONCE AGAIN, with either a 'high end' usb or ethernet cable a SBT setup.

 

If USB we will use Windows 8 or 10 with sound mix installed and drive two identical DAC's into a quality pre-amp with remote control for A/B testing.

 

One DAC will have the 'HIGH END' usb cable and the other a 18" Belkin cable. Both must meet the ISO spec.

 

If Ethernet I can do this with a machine running JRiver or Tidal and a switch in a LACP or PaGP Etherchannel config. We can swap out cables while music is streaming

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18 hours ago, fas42 said:

The heavy handed application of "attitude" is what disturbs many ... like in a post just above, "(forums) dedicated to group stroking of delusional hearing."

 

Here's the issue. There is no 'The heavy handed application of "attitude" '.  What you just did was paint the honest question I asked with the color of it having attitude.

 

Bottom line is if you don't trust your ears, why should I?

 

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22 hours ago, sandyk said:

 

 Why not a 3M long Belkin USB cable. which after all complies with the USB specifications , and why not using an Audiophile Software player such as those from Miska, Peter or JRiver ?

 

 

Because I don't need a 3M long cable. I use an 18 inch cable and it keeps things nice and tidy. I mentioned JRiver already along with Tidal.

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13 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

I'm sorry if you misunderstood - I wasn't reacting to a post of yours at all, when I made that comment.

 

You don't "test ears" with an arbitrary test, chosen by the one questioning an ability -

 

Actually I've not done that at all. What I've done is accommodate the claimants evaluation process.

 

When posters at another forum where going on about burned in cables I offered to send out 2 sets off randomly labeled cables. They could evaluate with out any administrator, in their own setup, with their own material, and that their own pace, at their own # of intervals.

 

The result was as funny as you would have expected.

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22 hours ago, sandyk said:

 As is usually the case, you are trying to skew the results in your favour.

Use a USB cable of a typical length that most other members would need to use. The vast majority of advertised USB cables appear to be around 1.8M in length, with many members needing to use longer than 1.8M

Belden also makes spec cable in 2 meter lengths and that's fine.

 

Unfortunately you missed the point that I was making that you can get an 18" cable and I think most setups could accommodate that length. 

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1 hour ago, sandyk said:

 I didn't miss the point. And I do not believe that most setups could accommodate  that length, especially from a rear USB port.

Cables from a front USB port generally look untidy as well.

 

As is usually the case, you are trying to skew the results in your favour.

 

 

Apparently you did miss the point. You can lead a horse to water but can't make him think.

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13 hours ago, Superdad said:

 

How about putting us out of our misery and revealing his industry affiliation for us?  I asked hime for such pages ago and received a weird passive-agreesive PM from him--with still nothing...

 

Sounds like Michael Lavorgna at this point.