Popular Post Richard Dale Posted December 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, jabbr said: The term "Objectivist" is meaningless to me except as a label that the crew who calls themselves "Subjectivist" uses to call the people who aren't in their club. I understand the term "Subjectivist" better perhaps but wouldn't want to assume to label what another calls themselves. Is Subjectivist a person who considers themselves non-technical and who cares only about the SQ of what they hear? @Teresa describes herself that way. Fair enough, I know many people who are very very intelligent but not technical. Regarding computers (this is "Computer" Audiophile after all), the Mac and iPhone have achieved great adoption not because they are the most technically advanced or have the best "specs", but because of ease of use. Turn it on and it just works. There is fantastic value in that. Writers that I know who love the Mac, use the Mac because it allows them to write with the least intrusion. It gets the job done. Is that Subjectivism? Subjectivists seem to categorize Objectivists as only caring about measurements. Is that what an Objectivist is? I don't know any here. I do know folks who are very practical and who come at this from an engineering perspective. Yet all the advances in Computer Audio have arisen from engineering. In any case if you are a self described "Subjectivist" and self described "non-technical", then why would you be attracted to "oxygen free copper", or try to claim that the crystalline structure of a cable affects its directionality? Why would someone be attracted to such technical marketing? What I am saying is that I don't even know what a reasonable definition of the term "Objectivist" is, so please supply a real world one. Also why would a true "Subjectivist" engage in a technical argument or care? I don't want to be called a 'subjectivist' because I think it is a silly term to use. You can hardly judge hifi without listening to music played on a hifi system, anymore than you can become a food expert without eating exotic dishes. I would rather be categorised as a 'mainstream hifi enthusiast or audiophile' who reads hifi magazines and websites, goes to hifi shows, and discusses the sound of gear they hear with fellow enthusiasts. I think the term 'objectivist' does have a specific meaning. It is a the style of internet discussion invented by Arny Krueger, where terms such as 'placebo effect', 'expectation bias', 'abx tests' can be deployed in discussions to take down the opinions of mainstream hifi enthusiasts when they are discussing the sound of hifi cables or whatever. The beauty of this arguing style is that it doesn't require you to be an expert listener yourself even if you are attacking the views of an expert listener. look&listen, 89reksal and Teresa 2 1 System (i): Stack Audio Link > 2Qute+MCRU psu; Gyrodec/SME V/Hana SL/EAT E-Glo Petit/Magnum Dynalab FT101A) > PrimaLuna Evo 100 amp > Klipsch RP-600M/REL T5x subs System (ii): Allo USB Signature > Bel Canto uLink+AQVOX psu > Chord Hugo > APPJ EL34 > Tandy LX5/REL Tzero v3 subs System (iii) KEF LS50W/KEF R400b subs Link to comment
Richard Dale Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 36 minutes ago, lasker98 said: I've lost any desire to continue on with you but I have to respond to this; NO I DIDN'T. Hopefully that's clear enough. I'm not sure what's going on here, but it's almost like this thread has been attacked by some kind of Russian bots. (No offense to any Russians. I had to use something?) Yes, you could be right. I feel the bot is still under construction and the generated dialog often reads like an undergraduate philosophy essay badly translated from russian. System (i): Stack Audio Link > 2Qute+MCRU psu; Gyrodec/SME V/Hana SL/EAT E-Glo Petit/Magnum Dynalab FT101A) > PrimaLuna Evo 100 amp > Klipsch RP-600M/REL T5x subs System (ii): Allo USB Signature > Bel Canto uLink+AQVOX psu > Chord Hugo > APPJ EL34 > Tandy LX5/REL Tzero v3 subs System (iii) KEF LS50W/KEF R400b subs Link to comment
Popular Post Richard Dale Posted January 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, esldude said: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/a-bit-about-your-host.1906/ Peter's post is a crock. Amir has an EE at least. I don't know what say JA has. JA was a liberal arts major. Why does JA's degree matter if he got it over 40 years ago? He seems to do a very competent job with measurements for reviews in Stereophile. sandyk, PeterSt and Teresa 2 1 System (i): Stack Audio Link > 2Qute+MCRU psu; Gyrodec/SME V/Hana SL/EAT E-Glo Petit/Magnum Dynalab FT101A) > PrimaLuna Evo 100 amp > Klipsch RP-600M/REL T5x subs System (ii): Allo USB Signature > Bel Canto uLink+AQVOX psu > Chord Hugo > APPJ EL34 > Tandy LX5/REL Tzero v3 subs System (iii) KEF LS50W/KEF R400b subs Link to comment
Richard Dale Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, esldude said: I agree JA does a good job with measures. But to impugn the ability of someone doing measures who is a degreed electrical engineer and spent most of their career in computer and electronics industries is a bit much. Plus the person Peter doesn't like seems to do just fine with non controversial types of measures. I've been able to do the same measures for myself on one piece of gear. Results were pretty much identical. But I was reading meters not feelings. Fair enough, although I don't see what JA and his 'liberal arts degree' have got to do with your post about Amir and PeterSt's differences. Specifically I find it a bit tedious when people bang on about how unscientific people with these 'liberal arts degrees' are. If it isn't a problem for JA, it probably isn't a problem for other people either. Have we even checked what degree JA has, not that I think it matters? EDIT: JA got a BSc in science, and his first job after college was to do with chemistry. He spent a lot of time playing bass in various bands too. Teresa 1 System (i): Stack Audio Link > 2Qute+MCRU psu; Gyrodec/SME V/Hana SL/EAT E-Glo Petit/Magnum Dynalab FT101A) > PrimaLuna Evo 100 amp > Klipsch RP-600M/REL T5x subs System (ii): Allo USB Signature > Bel Canto uLink+AQVOX psu > Chord Hugo > APPJ EL34 > Tandy LX5/REL Tzero v3 subs System (iii) KEF LS50W/KEF R400b subs Link to comment
Richard Dale Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Shadders said: What about brass bands. Barbershop quartets? System (i): Stack Audio Link > 2Qute+MCRU psu; Gyrodec/SME V/Hana SL/EAT E-Glo Petit/Magnum Dynalab FT101A) > PrimaLuna Evo 100 amp > Klipsch RP-600M/REL T5x subs System (ii): Allo USB Signature > Bel Canto uLink+AQVOX psu > Chord Hugo > APPJ EL34 > Tandy LX5/REL Tzero v3 subs System (iii) KEF LS50W/KEF R400b subs Link to comment
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