sandyk Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 hours ago, pkane2001 said: I apologize if I misinterpreted your intentions, but on re-reading your words, I still get the same impression: objectivists have nothing better to do here but to attack subjectivists and to derail their threads. I think that you are reading way too much into what he has posted, and immediately gone on the defensive. An Expectation Bias perhaps ? Not all Objectivists or Subjectivists are tarred with the same brush, neither do they all have rigid beliefs, with some having an interest in what they hear, as well as the measurements that may, or may not, confirm what they have heard. You fall into this group. The problem is when some take measurements as having complete precedence over listening, and decide that those who disagree are in need of a reality check. They then go on a religious crusade to re-educate the people who disagree with them, quoting much earlier research in many cases as if the existing known Science is an absolute. Neither are they normally willing to try any suggestions or remedial products that others have found useful in their particular setup. They simply dismiss them out of hand as worthless or Snake Oil products. RickyV 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted December 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, crenca said: But because its audio you can make it about a subjective personal journey about "believing, trusting", and discovering yourself. Here, you can believe and "try" theories about audio (a mechanical/physical phenomena) that no one in their right mind would just "try" in the airplane they were about to use. In other words : " Trust me, I am an Engineer/Physician/Politician and I know what's best for you ! " All 3 groups have two things in common. They are human, and they all make mistakes from time to time. Recently an aeroplane dived into the sea. Recently a 4 months old , almost 400 apartments high rise block in Sydney started to crack and become in need of urgent repair, not because of shoddy workmanship, but an engineering mistake .All residents have been forced to vacate for an expected 10 days while engineers investigate. Teresa and PeterSt 2 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted December 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2018 40 minutes ago, marce said: Yet it's through those measurements and development over the years that we now have the music reproductions equipment we have today... Yes. We have a resurgence in Vinyl, a resurgence in Vacuum tubes with their normally higher distortion products, including a surfeit of the euphonic even order distortion products , large numbers of Class D amplifiers with overall, far worse measurements than the best of Solid State, such as the inefficient Class A, and now MQA ! 89reksal, Albrecht and wgscott 2 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, PeterSt said: And for @sandyk: it again bothers that me, myself and I (and Mani) were accused not to recognize canon balls from thunderstorms. No discussion which is what (singing saws) but *that* eager some people are (me). Eh ... peace ? Peter I don't know what the big deal is here. Peace for sure. Please check your emails Regards Alex How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Shadders said: As others have said, hifi is a religion, and we all know how that ends up with fanatics who believe. AND fanatics that disbelieve. Teresa 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, manisandher said: My experience: if the outcome of a blind test is contrary to the 'expected outcome', it's dismissed. It's that simple. Our beliefs are deep-routed and not easily lodged, even (especially?) in the scientific field: “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” Mani. Spot on ! Many E.E.s refuse to accept the results when they don't agree with those they expected, even when correctly performed by a well qualified Electronics Engineer. DBTs are only the " Gold Standard" when they confirm their own expectations. Teresa 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Ralf11 said: I wouldn't have believed it some years ago. But like other scientists, I have an open mind You just made my day ! LOL. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 55 minutes ago, Shadders said: Hi, I have a brilliant suggestion. Lets all book a hotel conference room, turn up at the right date, and have hundreds of custard tarts, cream cakes, and trifles delivered, and see what happens. I suggest a good cable discussion to initiate proceedings. Regards, Shadders. You forgot the Pizza ! I would suggest a good cable demonstration or even an MQA demonstration to really get things moving. Shadders 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, fas42 said: The divide is mainly because the objectivists don't know how to measure what the subjectivists can hear … They don't always need to. All they need to do in some cases is employ the E.E.s so called " Gold Standard" DBTs , and if the differences are enough the Subjectivists will be able to demonstrate that they hear repeatable differences. As an example, you could take 2 new Mac Minis having the same software, and play suitable material through both into a half decent system. Bill Scott will then of course verify that they do indeed sound identical. Next, modify one of them to use an Uptone Linear PSU, and again play the same material through both machines to a captive audience from either Bill's or Ralf' s lecture classes using correct DBT techniques. The only hard part about the exercise would be getting Bill to accept that the results of the DBTs that he implemented to approved E.E. standards weren't flawed due to some oversight on his part, such as forgetting to use his own DIY Class D amplifier.. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted December 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, wgscott said: Strangely enough, they get a free pass. Just like your recent extreme put down of the possibility of any improvement when using a product sold by a supplier in the sponsored section of this forum, despite the large numbers sold to other C.A. members and many posted reports in this forum that these members were not only happy customers, but went on to purchase additional products from the same supplier. You have zero personal experience of any of these products that were designed by a well respected forum member who is a highly experienced E.E. , yet you continue to attack their usefulness just as several others do, without even trying them for yourself. Teresa, audiobomber, 89reksal and 1 other 2 2 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted December 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Teresa said: I just want to point out I liked @lasker98 original post in this, his thread. It is a shame he called someone a curse word to earn the break. However, I watched as he got more and more frustrated with some of the replies. This is a common tactic used by a few members. Teresa, RickyV and Audiophile Neuroscience 3 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, plissken said: One DAC will have the 'HIGH END' usb cable and the other a 18" Belkin cable. Both must meet the ISO spec. Why not a 3M long Belkin USB cable. which after all complies with the USB specifications , and why not using an Audiophile Software player such as those from Miska, Peter or JRiver ? How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, wgscott said: Do you know of any "significant audible changes" that cannot be measured? Depth of image is hard to measure and the illusion of HEIGHT which the better gear can also portray if present in the recordings is probably damn near impossible to measure using normal techniques. Even " The Storm" from the Chesky Surround recording can give a frighteningly real depiction of height with a very good amplifier such as Pass 100W Class A monoblocks even when downconverted to Stereo. Teresa 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said: Peter, adultry [sic] hmm acting like adults for sure, not sure about adultery tho , maybe ? Your lovely wife would kill you for even thinking about it ? I hope that you are the one that feeds your big and VERY fast guard dog ! How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 31 minutes ago, PeterSt said: And next I would tell the community that putting a knot in the loudspeaker cable makes a difference for the better. Does getting your knickers in a knot make a difference for the better too ? How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 46 minutes ago, hineni said: If two different amplifiers have identical power output, frequency responses, distortion characteristics and reaction to load, do you think those two amplifiers will sound exactly the same? If not, exactly what mechanism do you propose to explain the difference in sound? You neglected to mention channel separation among other things like Input impedance. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, plissken said: Because I don't need a 3M long cable. I use an 18 inch cable and it keeps things nice and tidy. I mentioned JRiver already along with Tidal. As is usually the case, you are trying to skew the results in your favour. Use a USB cable of a typical length that most other members would need to use. The vast majority of advertised USB cables appear to be around 1.8M in length, with many members needing to use longer than 1.8M How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Music Enthusiast said: All that proves to me is with those particular tests he used, he obtained no change between cables with certain DAC’s. What those tests fail to prove is if those tests are all it takes to prove there’s no difference. All this suggests is that a large percentage of C.A. members are using DACs with inferior USB implementation, even some of the very expensive DACs. This is borne out by the size of the Cottage Industry devoted to supplying improved USB cables and other USB gadgets such as IsoRegens etc. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, esldude said: I may have had an epiphany. I hope it didn't hurt too much ! How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 42 minutes ago, plissken said: Unfortunately you missed the point that I was making that you can get an 18" cable and I think most setups could accommodate that length. I didn't miss the point. And I do not believe that most setups could accommodate that length, especially from a rear USB port. Cables from a front USB port generally look untidy as well. As is usually the case, you are trying to skew the results in your favour. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, plissken said: Apparently you did miss the point. You can lead a horse to water but can't make him think. I never miss your points. They are always about showing just how clever you think you are and trying to put down Subjectivists, which is very little different to those from Dennis and several other members from the hard line Objective side that I don't need to name. The only thing that surprises me this time, is that you haven't yet started to wave money around. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 27 minutes ago, Sal1950 said: Evade or ignore. That's how they always respond to requests for evidence they're unable to supply. Evade or ignore is what the C.A. Objective members do when evidence is made available to them as I did some months earlier with a package of several BluRay comparison discs and a USB memory stick that was sent to esldude. Consider yourself ignored, just like you all ignore my supplied evidence ! How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, esldude said: I do have the discs and memory sticks if anyone wishes to investigate. I'll make them available to anyone wanting to try them with Alex's approval. Dennis Did you say that you now have a new Laptop since your original brief look at the memory stick ? If so, you could try viewing with reduced ambient lighting in the room using battery operation. It still won't be anywhere near optimum like the way they were intended to be used though. Alex How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, esldude said: Maybe you should get in touch with @plissken to see if he would arrange for you to hear that or not. Music Enthusiast Forget Plissken . He is likely to throw in a couple of repeats etc. to confuse you. These tests are hard enough without that unless you are a professional used to performing DBTs Do any tests using your OWN system that you are used to, under non sighted conditions with others controlling the switching. audiobomber 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, Ajax said: I have real problem with what you have written here. In both cases there has been no "official report" on either why the plane crashed or why the building has cracked. We should find out soon enough after the NSW Government issues the report on the building investigations. Nowhere have I suggested that all Engineers are incompetent, however several here seem to think that they are infallible in engineering matters. They aren't. They are human like the rest of us, and occasionally make errors too. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
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