Popular Post vortecjr Posted December 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2018 According to Chris C. in his Audiophile 5: Sonore opticalRendu In 5 Minutes review he states, "It's the best Rendu they have ever made." The Sonore opticalRendu utilizes an SFP fiber optic transceiver at its input to provide 100% galvanic isolation from the network and USB-audio output. The opticalRendu has linear power regulation, CPU circuit design with femto clocking, USB circuit design with femto clocking, and a network circuit design with femto clocking. This unit utilizes SonicOrbiter for its operating system so you already know how to use it. The opticalRendu is systemOptique certified SELECTABLE OUTPUT MODES Mode #1 - SqueezeLite Output - This output works with any Logitech Media Server and compatible controllers. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM, DSD/DoP, and native DSD. Mode #2 - ShairPort Output - This is an AirPlay emulator that utilizes streams sent to it from a compatible source. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM. Mode #3 - MPD/DLNA Output: Mode #3a - DLNA Output - This output utilizes streams from UPnP/DLNA servers and controllers. This output can be configured as an OpenHome renderer. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM, DSD/DoP, and native DSD. Mode #3b - MPD Output - This output is intended to work with an SMB mount. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM, DSD/DoP, and native DSD. This option requires an SMB share to mount your content in combination with the built-in Drive Mounter application. Mode #4 - HQ Player NAA Output - This output utilizes streams from Signalyst's HQ Player running on your computer. Digital signal processing is performed by HQ Player and then asynchronously streamed to the Network Audio Adapter (NAA) output. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM, DSD/DoP, and native DSD. Mode #5 - RoonReady Output - This output utilizes streams from Roon. This output supports true gapless playback of PCM, DSD/DoP, and native DSD. Mode #6 - Spotify Connect Output - This output can be controlled by your computer or tablet running the Spotify (premium) application. This application is based on librespot - an open source client library for Spotify. The application is in Beta form. Link to product page: https://www.sonore.us/opticalRendu.html The Computer Audiophile, Superdad, jabbr and 2 others 5 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, jamesg11 said: Que? Details ... The entire team is sworn to secrecy for the time being:) We have some units on route to reviewers and friends of Sonore so keep an eye out their feedback and comments. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 46 minutes ago, Em2016 said: Was @JohnSwenson involved? If so, can John share what his involvement was? In John we trust ? No. Intel was involved...LOL asdf1000 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Em2016 said: LOL. Is the actual module that converts fiber to copper ethernet an “off the shelf “ one or something Sonore developed ? Sorry...I couldn't help myself:) To answer your original question...John designed the board. The opticalModule is not off the shelf hardware. asdf1000 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Popular Post vortecjr Posted December 28, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, Em2016 said: LOL no worries. So the previous issue discussed with FMC’s that the optical to copper ethernet conversion process is “noisy” no longer applies here? Because now this conversation process is designed to be ultra low noise with best SI by @JohnSwenson ? Also, in the case of the opticalRendu, does optical get converted to copper ethernet to USB? Or directly optical to USB? John's design of the opticalModule has the same kind of considerations to the circuit you would expect. Internally the processor handles data coming in via the network and data going out via USB. 4est and asdf1000 1 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Em2016 said: Thanks. So my question is about the handling of the data. So it’s a direct optical ethernet to USB conversion process? There is no intermediate copper ethernet stage, correct? As far as I know there is no such thing as direct optical to USB conversion. The SFP modules convert the optical signal to an interface format. FYI There are SFP modules which accept cable Ethernet incase people prefer cable Ethernet. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 I'm not sure if it's hot swappable, but I don't see why not. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 10 hours ago, rickca said: Which of these 3 elements did not use the femto clock in the ultraRendu? The network circuit. rickca 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 57 minutes ago, JohnSwenson said: Let me try and address some of these questions without giving away too much. In the ultraRendu the Ethernet port from the iMX6 is connected to an Ethernet PHY, which talks to a very high quality Ethernet jack with built in magnetics. The PHY is directly connected to the "outside world" which leaves it somewhat susceptible to the signal integrity of whatever is connected to it. In the opticalRendu the output of the PHY is connected to the SFP module through the Ethernet circuit I designed. I'm not at liberty to discuss the details of this circuit. What I can say is that this circuit uses a ton of very high quality voltage regulation and very low phase noise clocking. The result is that the PHY connected to the processor is fed a signal that is cleaner than any external Ethernet connection you can buy today. This circuit is the primary new addition to the opticalRendu and is where the additional oscillator is used. Using an optical network connection provides a remarkable synergy with this circuit allowing it to produce such a clean output to the CPU. As has been mentioned other parts of the opticalRendu have been significantly improved as well. That's as much as I can say right now. John S. John, I have not tried the RJ45 SFP. What are your thoughts on using it? SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, JohnSwenson said: A RJ45 SFP module WILL work, as long as it is NOT a 10/100/1000 one, it HAS to be JUST a gigabit module. These modules do not block leakage currents from the network. The optical does. How much this is going to effect the sound is of course dependent on the network setup. Another issue is the difference between an optical and Ethernet SFP module. The optical module is very simple, the incoming light from the fiber goes to a high speed photo diode, then to a simple amplifier. The output from the amplifier goes to my circuit. All the signal conditioning and clocking, protocol conversion etc is done in my circuit which uses very low phase noise clocks, extremely clean power etc. With a RJ45 SFP the clocking and conversion circuits are all done with whatever is in the SFP module, I can guarantee it is not as good as what is in my circuit! The signal from the RJ45 SFP still goes through my circuit which can clean it up some, but it's not as good as what I can do with the optical signal. So an opticalRendu with an RJ45 SFP WILL be better than an ultraRendu fed by the same Ethernet cable, the opticalRendu fed by an optical signal is significantly better. John S. Thanks John. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 7 hours ago, jhellow said: Will you be building an i7 SonicTransporter with an optical out to mate with the new optical Rendu? I was just about to buy both. Yes, we are looking into that as a future product. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 11 hours ago, Em2016 said: Have you picked out an optical SFP module that you've found performs best? Or do you expect any half decent gigabit optical SFP module to perform the same and the USB output quality to be the same? The ones we have tried have all worked very well. FYI we will provide the unit with and without SFP modules. As for sounds quality between SFP modules we will leave that up to you guys:) asdf1000 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 2 hours ago, MagnusH said: How much current will be needed for it? I love to run my stuff on batteries, but I have a feeling you will need more than a few AA to run it a day (maybe something like a 6v 10Ah sealed lead acid battery till work). And what will they cost? I'll release the full specs soon on our website when we are ready to start selling. However, don't sell off your existing power supplies yet because you will probably still be able to use them. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Em2016 said: Hi @JohnSwenson When using the opticalRendu with optical SFP module - will it ONLY work when connected to a switch/router which has optical SFP module? Or will it work with a single gigabit TP-Link (for example only) FMC 'feeding' it? Or do those off-the-shelf FMC's (like TP-Link FMC's) only work as a pair with each other? I'm just trying to think of all the options for feeding the opticalRendu via optical SFP module, preferably without having to get a new switch/router (if possible). Thanks in advance These connections work like any other network scheme and you need something to assign an IP address. That something can be a router or a computer as typical. There are endless options for configuration from simple to paranoid. I prefer simple:) If you have Ethernet at the opticalRendu then the opticalModule will convert the cable Ethernet to opticalEthernet. BAMM...you are done. asdf1000 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, mozes said: Can someone pls explain how we can feed an optical signal to the opticalRendu? Most of us have the common switches with RJ45 ports. Do we need converters or just use USB to optical converters? Same advice I just gave Em. The opticalModule will convert the cable Ethernet to opticalEthernet. mozes 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 A note about mis-matching fiber optic gear. The reason we came up with systemOptique was to try to provide and recommend gear that is compatible with each other. The idea long term it to have a list of things that work well together and not a good/better/best list. Some basic tips: 1. no hassle option - we will provide fiber optic SFP modules that work well together. 2. DIY option - if you have your own make sure both ends support the same format. As an example I use two matching Gigabit SFP modules which are each specified as multi-mode, MiniGBIC, LC interface. 3. DIY option - Use optical SFP modules that runs at gigabit speed. Note: Some fiber optic network gear support direct optical output without a SFP module. With this gear the fiber optic cable connects directly to the network gear. That gear will have specified formats and you should match the SFP modules on the opticalRendu to it. If you use a Sonore opticalModule it will be smooth sailing.... feelingears 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, BCRich said: Any plans to incorporate this into the Signature Rendu SE? Absolutely. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, rickca said: This is going to get really interesting. Maybe things like a JCAT .NET Card FEMTO will be redundant with an opticalRendu. Not redundant because they don't interconnect without an opticalModule. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 2 hours ago, MagnusH said: A hopefully cheap way for me to upgrade would be to exchange the last FMC for an opticalModule. Sounds like a plan. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, matthias said: Will the ultrarendu get the improvements which are not related to the fiber optic transceiver as well? Matt The opticalModule will block noise from the network upstream of it. What is left is the opticalModule and the product you connect it to...hopefully a Rendu:) SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, Em2016 said: So one single opticalModule can talk to a single unit TP-Link gigabit FMC? Sure. Have a look at the post above with the tips. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 40 minutes ago, R1200CL said: The question I think many will ask is whether to keep your ultraRendu and add the etherRegen, or upgrade to the opticalRendu ? decisions, decisions, decisions... Superdad 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Em2016 said: Thanks. These tips? https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/55217-sonore-opticalrendu/?do=findComment&comment=910984 This is a bit different to what I’m asking. I’m not asking about the correct SFP module to pair with the opticalModule - but pairing with a single FMC unit itself (like a single TP-Link MC200CM for example). It's exactly what you are asking. Refer to the note at the bottom: Note: Some fiber optic network gear support direct optical output without a SFP module. With this gear the fiber optic cable connects directly to the network gear. That gear will have specified formats and you should match the SFP modules on the opticalRendu to it. In addition you need the correct cable to make the conversion. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Em2016 said: Noted. So it’s just SFP module and fiber cable that needs to match properly. The “rest” of the FMC (like for the TP-Link MC200CM ) doesn’t matter. That’s what I’m asking about. Clearer now. If the TP-Link is multi-mode then get a multi-mode SFP... The cables naturally need to fit in the corresponding ends. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Em2016 said: Lol, it’s all good. I already have a pair of TP-Link FMC’s working... I just wasn’t aware you could have a single unit directly talking to the opticalModule. I thought they could only talk to each other in pairs, due to circuitry other than the SFP module and cable. Everything is clearer now. If they don't work then we will not list them as systemOptique compatible:) asdf1000 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
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