PYP Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, ehoz said: How much does a preamp make a difference to Tambaqui. Are folks listening to the Tambaqui connected to a pre or an amp directly ? Never tried it with a preamp, so can't make a comparison. Direct to the amp, it is transparent, dynamic and realistic (that is, like live music). A demo in your own home would be the way to find out for yourself. Grimm Audio MU1 > Mola Mola Tambaqui > Mola Mola Kaluga > B&W 803 D3 Cables: Kubala-Sosna Power management: Shunyata Room: Vicoustics “Nature is pleased with simplicity.” Isaac Newton "As neither the enjoyment nor the capacity of producing musical notes are faculties of the least use to man...they must be ranked among the most mysterious with which he is endowed." Charles Darwin - The Descent of Man Link to comment
Davidny Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I use an Audionet Stern preamp. I think the Tambaqui’s performance can be enhanced significantly depending on the equipment and cabling used to accompany it. Here is a good video on the impact a good preamp can have on a DAC Link to comment
ehoz Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 @Davidny can you tell me the kind of cabling you have? Link to comment
Davidny Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, ehoz said: @Davidny can you tell me the kind of cabling you have? Kubala Sosna Realization power cord, analog interconnects to my preamp, and USB cable. Expensive but in my opinion worth it. Link to comment
ehoz Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Intersting - im listening to it plugged into bhk pre. Synergistic research alive power cord and purist audio interconnects. Audience front row usb. Link to comment
Popular Post mevdinc Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 I am on the 'less is more' camp and always preferred going DAC direct to my active speakers. Assuming of course that the DAC in question has a decent volume control, which Tambaqi seems to have. TerryO and PYP 2 mevdinc.com (My autobiography) Recently sold my ATC EL 150 Actives! Link to comment
PYP Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 hours ago, mevdinc said: I am on the 'less is more' camp and always preferred going DAC direct to my active speakers. Assuming of course that the DAC in question has a decent volume control And the device the DAC feeds is compatible/easy to drive... mevdinc 1 Grimm Audio MU1 > Mola Mola Tambaqui > Mola Mola Kaluga > B&W 803 D3 Cables: Kubala-Sosna Power management: Shunyata Room: Vicoustics “Nature is pleased with simplicity.” Isaac Newton "As neither the enjoyment nor the capacity of producing musical notes are faculties of the least use to man...they must be ranked among the most mysterious with which he is endowed." Charles Darwin - The Descent of Man Link to comment
Popular Post barrows Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 13 hours ago, Davidny said: I use an Audionet Stern preamp. I think the Tambaqui’s performance can be enhanced significantly depending on the equipment and cabling used to accompany it. Here is a good video on the impact a good preamp can have on a DAC To be fair, before PS Audio introduced the BHK preamp, they recommended going DAC direct to amp. Then, totally coincidentally, once they had a preamp in their product line, they suddenly experienced a tectonic shift in their approach, and started insisting that a preamp was a necessity for the best sound. I would suggest engaging one's own intelligence before blindly believing all "expert" commentary regarding the "need" for a preamp when that commentary comes from a source which has a vested interest in selling a (often entirely unnecessary) preamplifier. Ran and sb6 1 1 SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
PYP Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 23 hours ago, ehoz said: im listening to it plugged into bhk pre. How does it sound in your system vs. straight to your amps? Grimm Audio MU1 > Mola Mola Tambaqui > Mola Mola Kaluga > B&W 803 D3 Cables: Kubala-Sosna Power management: Shunyata Room: Vicoustics “Nature is pleased with simplicity.” Isaac Newton "As neither the enjoyment nor the capacity of producing musical notes are faculties of the least use to man...they must be ranked among the most mysterious with which he is endowed." Charles Darwin - The Descent of Man Link to comment
ehoz Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I may not have given enough time to tambaqui > power amp directly, but for me i find theres bit more oomph, sparkle etc with the preamp. Link to comment
mevdinc Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 18 hours ago, PYP said: And the device the DAC feeds is compatible/easy to drive... That goes for most device compatibility. I have used 4 different DACs with direct connection with very satisfying results. I can understand that some people prefer to have a preamp in between, which is fine if you like the resulting sound. It's all matter of taste and what sounds right to our ears. That's the beauty of this wonderful hobby. Stay safe and enjoy listening to music. PYP 1 mevdinc.com (My autobiography) Recently sold my ATC EL 150 Actives! Link to comment
mriguy Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Hi Everyone, Does anybody have any first-hand experience with evaluating the Tambaqui's built-in headphone output, against any external, TOTL headphone amplifier? In my case, it would be using the Meze Empyrean headphone. Thanks! Link to comment
LawrenceT Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, mriguy said: Tambaqui's built-in headphone output, against any external, TOTL I've done a lot of reading about the current DACs out there. I think there was a lot more discussion about the Bartok as a headphone amp and comparisons with TOTL dedicated headphone amps (esp in the headphone sites). I don't remember reading much about the Tambaqui as a headphone amp and reviewers comparing it against a separate headphone amp. There was a particular YouTube video where one reviewer said he preferred the headphone amp in Bartok vs. Tambaqui. Link to comment
mriguy Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, LawrenceT said: I've done a lot of reading about the current DACs out there. I think there was a lot more discussion about the Bartok as a headphone amp and comparisons with TOTL dedicated headphone amps (esp in the headphone sites). Thanks for your comment back... I've had my Tambaqui for about a month now and you would have to pry it out of my cold dead hands to get it back. All the good things written by others about it are in fact true, it's just so musical. I've been making extensive use of the integrated headphone output. I can't say I've noted any shortcomings, but you know how paranoid we all can be. I also know of the one blogger's comments regarding the the Tambaqui's headphone amp maybe not quite being up to the standards of the Tambaqui's world-class line-level outputs. I'm left with the question, but running the actual comparisons, apples-to-apples, isn't exactly easy. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has documented the topology/implementation of the Tambaqui's headphone driver/amplifier. PYP 1 Link to comment
LawrenceT Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, mriguy said: I've had my Tambaqui for about a month now and you would have to pry it out of my cold dead hands to get it back. All the good things written by others about it are in fact true Yup, haven't read anything NEGATIVE as a DAC!!! Tough choices out there. As a headphone amp, it would have been nice to have the outputs in the front and a dial for volume IMO Link to comment
tarichar Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 On 10/21/2020 at 9:46 PM, LawrenceT said: Yup, haven't read anything NEGATIVE as a DAC!!! Tough choices out there. As a headphone amp, it would have been nice to have the outputs in the front and a dial for volume IMO Here is a review if you haven't seen it: https://www.soundstageultra.com/index.php/equipment-menu/988-mola-mola-tambaqui-digital-to-analog-converter Link to comment
fds Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Suprisingly Wetzels comparison with the Bartok seems to me to be in contradiction to Darkos. Didn't Darko say that the Tambaqui had opened up the room more? Less blanquet than with the Bartok? Here Wetzel says that the Tambaqui couldn't quite match the dCS wide-open sound. Hmm, maybe both used different filter settings on the dCS in their comparisons (plus many other variables of course). Looking forward to newly posted listening experiences here from the AS community. Also great that Wetzel comments so explicity on Tambaquis performance direct to power amp vs. using the Hegel preamp saying that he prefered to have the preamp in ... I am still dreaming of a DAC that will work better directly to power amp. Soo appealing. Less boxes, less cables, less footers, less space Apple Powerbook G4 15\", iTunes, Metric Halo LIO-8, active speakers Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, fds said: Wetzels comparison with the Bartok seems to me to be in contradiction to Darkos. Didn't Darko say that the Tambaqui had opened up the room more? Less blanquet than with the Bartok? Do they have identical systems and rooms, other than the DAC? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
fds Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Very justified question of course. Still I would believe that relative differences between Bartok and Tambaqui wrt openess and clarity would show up even in different systems/rooms. Of course below 500 Hz the room matters a lot (assuming they are not using anything analogous to the great digital room correction + room treatment you have at work). Also liveliness of the rooms will be different. But still I would believe that it will be the same DAC among the two that is more extended/more open or maybe brighter. OTOH with Bartok maybe putting out more energy below 500 Hz in Darkos quite minimally treated room, the associated substantial room modes therein will reduce the perceived clarity as opposed to another DAC putting out less punch down low. Summit 1 Apple Powerbook G4 15\", iTunes, Metric Halo LIO-8, active speakers Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, fds said: Very justified question of course. Still I would believe that relative differences between Bartok and Tambaqui wrt openess and clarity would show up even in different systems/rooms. Of course below 500 Hz the room matters a lot (assuming they are not using anything analogous to the great digital room correction + room treatment you have at work). Also liveliness of the rooms will be different. But still I would believe that it will be the same DAC among the two that is more extended/more open or maybe brighter. OTOH with Bartok maybe putting out more energy below 500 Hz in Darkos quite minimally treated room, the associated substantial room modes therein will reduce the perceived clarity as opposed to another DAC putting out less punch down low. Would be nice to see room measurements from more people writing about components. Measurements aren’t everything but if a room has a big boost and a DAC seems to have a boost in that frequency range, there may be a correlation. PYP 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Summit Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Would be nice to see room measurements from more people writing about components. Measurements aren’t everything but if a room has a big boost and a DAC seems to have a boost in that frequency range, there may be a correlation. Room measurements may be relevant to know for speakers or whole audio systems, for DACs and cables not very significant, IMO. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Summit said: Room measurements may be relevant to know for speakers or whole audio systems, for DACs and cables not very significant, IMO. If one’s room is the largest factor in sound quality and has issues, I believe we must know the details to judge a review. It’s the baseline. Without a baseline we have nothing. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Summit Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: If one’s room is the largest factor in sound quality and has issues, I believe we must know the details to judge a review. It’s the baseline. Without a baseline we have nothing. The room and the setup are always the largest factor for sound quality. All rooms which are not especially made for audio have some issues. I have read many reviews and no one have included room measurements, and I can’t say I agree that without them we have nothing. I believe I can judge a review about a DAC without it. Are you planning to start compensate for room issues by choosing a different DAC 🤩 or what? Link to comment
Popular Post JoeWhip Posted November 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2020 DACs, like our choices in so many things is very personal. I think you can get a trial of this DAC and if it does not float your boat, can send it back. A friend did just that but I haven’t heard it with COVID. If you can afford it, with the return policy, go for it. The Computer Audiophile and PYP 2 Link to comment
tarichar Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 The reviewer comments on the sound of this dac vary quite a bit and are all over the map. Some call it transparent, closed down on top, some rich and analogue, etc. I would take this to mean that it is transparent to the source or sound of your system. troy Link to comment
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