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Yeh, I’m still on that bus too, re format conversion.

 

Looking forward to your Spring2 review!


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I was wondering about which to go for, Spring 2 or upcoming May DAC. Some information about May:

 

May will be upcoming flagship product. Around 4500usd. More advanced power supply circuit, the very best components. Similar dac module but with some improvements. It will also have a preamp as well as a headamp that is based on our very popular Azure amplifier with 8amp modules and 400transistors. There are many other things but I can’t release this info at this time. It’s many months out still. It is targeted to the loud speaker owner who wants to save space on the rack and have all these features. Just needs to pair with an amp and speakers while the spring2 is a pure dac component and as far as the dac module it will be similar sound quality. The bar is already set extremely high for the spring2 so one should not expect a leap in sound quality going up to the May. It’s small, yet notable and measurable as well. Our very best effort will go into the May. But is not targeted to everyone. It will be a niche market for it.

 

(Hope I was allowed to share :D) personally I will go Spring 2. 4500 usd is way out of budget.

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21 minutes ago, Veri said:

I was wondering about which to go for, Spring 2 or upcoming May DAC. Some information about May:

 

May will be upcoming flagship product. Around 4500usd. More advanced power supply circuit, the very best components. Similar dac module but with some improvements. It will also have a preamp as well as a headamp that is based on our very popular Azure amplifier with 8amp modules and 400transistors. There are many other things but I can’t release this info at this time. It’s many months out still. It is targeted to the loud speaker owner who wants to save space on the rack and have all these features. Just needs to pair with an amp and speakers while the spring2 is a pure dac component and as far as the dac module it will be similar sound quality. The bar is already set extremely high for the spring2 so one should not expect a leap in sound quality going up to the May. It’s small, yet notable and measurable as well. Our very best effort will go into the May. But is not targeted to everyone. It will be a niche market for it.

 

(Hope I was allowed to share :D) personally I will go Spring 2. 4500 usd is way out of budget.

 

Thanks for the info, do you have a link?

As I neither need a preamp nor a HP amp I will go for Spring2.

The price is competitive to Denafrips Terminator.

Would be nice to get the May DAC module for Spring2 as well.

 

Matt

 

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2 hours ago, Veri said:

I was wondering about which to go for, Spring 2 or upcoming May DAC. Some information about May:

 

May will be upcoming flagship product. Around 4500usd. More advanced power supply circuit, the very best components. Similar dac module but with some improvements. It will also have a preamp as well as a headamp that is based on our very popular Azure amplifier with 8amp modules and 400transistors. There are many other things but I can’t release this info at this time. It’s many months out still. It is targeted to the loud speaker owner who wants to save space on the rack and have all these features. Just needs to pair with an amp and speakers while the spring2 is a pure dac component and as far as the dac module it will be similar sound quality. The bar is already set extremely high for the spring2 so one should not expect a leap in sound quality going up to the May. It’s small, yet notable and measurable as well. Our very best effort will go into the May. But is not targeted to everyone. It will be a niche market for it.

 

(Hope I was allowed to share :D) personally I will go Spring 2. 4500 usd is way out of budget.

Your quote seems to be from a parallel universe for me.

BTW, don't expect me quote Jeff's comment about MAY. I won't. 😉


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On 12/30/2018 at 3:07 AM, louisxiawei said:

As you may know, there will be another DSD1024 DAC called "MAY" released by Holo audio after Chinese new year. I will directly go for MAY instead of Spring 2. 

 

Hi Louis

 

Can you share more info on the MAY DAC?

 

Or links to where features were discussed?

 

Many thanks

 

 

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On 1/5/2019 at 8:07 PM, Em2016 said:

 

Hi Louis

 

Can you share more info on the MAY DAC?

 

Or links to where features were discussed?

 

Many thanks

 

 

I began to mention "MAY" because previous post quoted a link from audioscience in which someone talked about it.

 

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/some-measurements-of-holo-audio-spring-dac.5869/

 

As far as I know, MAY is technically better in terms of SDM and R2R module. 


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21 minutes ago, louisxiawei said:

I began to mention "MAY" because previous post quoted a link from audioscience in which someone talked about it.

 

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/some-measurements-of-holo-audio-spring-dac.5869/

 

As far as I know, MAY is technically better in terms of SDM and R2R module. 

 

All the measurements they talk about on ASR are from Spring1.

Do you have a recent link about the superiority of the May DAC module in comparison to Spring2?

Thanks

 

Matt

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12 hours ago, matthias said:

 

All the measurements they talk about on ASR are from Spring1.

Do you have a recent link about the superiority of the May DAC module in comparison to Spring2?

Thanks

 

Matt

Except gossip, You won't see any measurement, detailed comparison until the MAY is actually released! 


Software: Roon, Tidal, HQplayer 

HQplayer PC: i9 7980XE, Titan Xp; i9 9900K, Titan V

DAC: T+A DAC8 DSD, exasound e12, iFi micro iDSD BL

USB tweaks: Intona, Uptone (ISO) regen, LPS-1, LPS-1.2, Sbooster Vbus2, Curious cables,  Certified HiSpeed USB cable

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12 hours ago, matthias said:

 

All the measurements they talk about on ASR are from Spring1.

Do you have a recent link about the superiority of the May DAC module in comparison to Spring2?

Thanks

 

Matt

Except gossip, You won't see any measurement, detailed comparison until the MAY is actually released! 


Software: Roon, Tidal, HQplayer 

HQplayer PC: i9 7980XE, Titan Xp; i9 9900K, Titan V

DAC: T+A DAC8 DSD, exasound e12, iFi micro iDSD BL

USB tweaks: Intona, Uptone (ISO) regen, LPS-1, LPS-1.2, Sbooster Vbus2, Curious cables,  Certified HiSpeed USB cable

NAA: Logic CL100, Uptone JS-2

AMP: Spectral DMC 30SV, Spectral DMA 300

Speaker: Magico S3 MKII

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3 hours ago, louisxiawei said:

Except gossip, You won't see any measurement, detailed comparison until the MAY is actually released! 

 

Agree,

you misunderstood me!

 

Matt

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29 minutes ago, Miska said:

 

I wonder what Stereophile did with the Jtest measurement, because I don't get similar results from my Spring1...

HoloSpring-jtest24-pcm352-graph.thumb.png.09249a3d678d5b66eb4f471e1ddb0b09.png

 

Maybe they run it in NOS mode at 44.1k rate, which could explain... My measurement is 44.1k J-test24 file, upsampled by HQPlayer to 352.8k and Spring1 set to NOS mode.

 

 

Not too shabby!

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On 1/2/2019 at 5:20 PM, Miska said:

 

That too is pointless nowadays. There's no need to list every XMOS, Thesycon or Mytek PID. Only if there's a new VID that uses same style.

 

You should be able to safely remove all separately listed items falling under 0x152a or 0x20b1 VID because those are auto-detected. For my own kernels I've cleaned up that already. For upstream kernel I took more careful approach and delisted only the ones that I had at hand to test to be 100% sure.

 

Hi, thank you.  Does this mean NAA installed on debian running kernel 4.18 or later will support the Spring 2 DAC at DSD1024 natively?  That would be so amazing!

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6 hours ago, Hammer said:

Hi, thank you.  Does this mean NAA installed on debian running kernel 4.18 or later will support the Spring 2 DAC at DSD1024 natively?  That would be so amazing!

 

My custom Debian and Ubuntu kernels support it, as well as the latest HQPlayer OS image.

 


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17 hours ago, Miska said:

 

My custom Debian and Ubuntu kernels support it, as well as the latest HQPlayer OS image.

 

Hi, does that include your x64 NAA images?

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I've had my Spring 2 KTE for a two months now and continue to be amazed at just how good it sounds converting everything I throw at it. I prefer it to the Chord Qutest - more organic tone and a wonderful balance up and down the frequency spectrum.

 

Unfortunately my PC containing HQPe died so I stopped being able to upsample through HQP at all or Roon DSP beyong PCM384. I agree 16/44 NOS is the least beautiful sounding but I did think DSD256 and DSD512 sounded incredible while I had them!

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Questions for the thread:

 

  • How would one go about acquiring a Spring 2 in the U.S. without any Kitsune modifications?
  • Have there been any comprehensive tests done on Kitsune vs. non-Kitsune models to validate the value added by Kitsune? (tests by Kitsune would obviously not qualify)

 

Thanks in advance

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13 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

So the only place to get the non-Kitsune version of the DAC is from....... Kitsune?

In the US? Yes. In Europe there's magna hifi, in hong kong there is Wildism audio.

 

If you want to spare costs you could buy from taobao Chinese marketplace..

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4 hours ago, Veri said:

In the US? Yes. In Europe there's magna hifi, in hong kong there is Wildism Audio.

 

Maybe someone can shed some light on why the Spring is rather expensive in Europe in comparison to the US?

Thanks

 

Matt

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