barrows Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 The entire point of using Ethernet to distribute audio, is to get the noisy commercial computer gear away from he audio system, to the point where it can do no harm to the sound quality. The reason Sonore renderer products exist, is specifically to get the high powered, commercial computer gears, including, but not limited to storage mediums and complete computer systems away from the audio system, otherwise, Sonore would still be making full featured servers with onboard storage, etc. SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
Popular Post barrows Posted October 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2018 I think it is really important to point out that it is a bit of a slippery slope for a reviewer to do direct comparisons, because YMMV is always a factor, and what sounds one way in one system, may sound different in a different system context. A reviewer needs to be very, very careful about comparisons, because some readers may take their word as gospel, instead of doing their own comparisons, at home, in their system. Especially if we are considering comparing products with close levels of performance. The best reviewers may make comparisons, but when they do, they will always emphasize that their results only count in their system. If the performance delta is really large, then comparisons may be fair, but otherwise they may not be. Add to this complex nature of a system, especially when considering Network devices, and the reviewer making comparisons gets into a world of trouble. Another potential problem is sound differences, which may not be "better" just different: for example, in one system product X might sound warmer and more forgiving, and if the system context is a bit on the "cold, hard" side product X might be considered "better", but in a different system context, product X's lack of resolution might be noticed, etc. Ultimately, when considering components with fairly close levels of performance, one really needs to audition in their own system to determine what will work best for them, and expecting to be able to get this information from a review is really going to compromise the outcome. feelingears and jventer 2 SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
Popular Post barrows Posted October 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Schelol said: I fear the forthcoming review of Bartok DAC will be of similar style... @barrows: Sorry, I do not agree With what? Do you really make purchasing decisions based on what some reviewer says, in an entirely different system context to yours? I can assure you that this is not the way to get the best sound in your system. I read opinions of sound quality all over the Internet, from many different sources which are often in direct opposition to my own experience. Even components which I know for fact from my own experience which really suck, are often praised by a reviewer or online prognosticator. Beware the opinions of others on sound quality. My recommendation stands, listen in your system, sure, use specs, and features to reduce the number of the components to audition, but one must listen in their own system to have any valuable idea of the differences between components of similar price. feelingears, MikeJazz and orosie 3 SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
Popular Post barrows Posted March 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, honeymustardsteve said: Got an official response stating that the dac ignores the clock on the USB, which generally means it is a useless feature unless you had a really old USB dac that wasn’t asynchronous... OK, there is some mis-information here. For USB audio, the audio clocks (that is the clock(s) which are used to clock the data stream out of the USB receiver in the DAC, and the used as the clocks to clock that same data into the DAC's conversion stage) are in the DAC. But, the USB controller chips, which refers to the USB hub chip inside the G2, and the USB receiver chip (often XMOS) inside the DAC requires their own separate clock to control their operations. This USB clock is unrelated to the audio clock(s) and this clock only controls the operations of the USB chips. While the audio clock(s) inside the DAC are the most important clocks for sound quality in terms of the actual D to A conversion (typical audio jitter), in turns out that the performance of the USB clock also does matter (also so does the separate clock which controls the Ethernet processors and data streams). To summarize: the USB clock does matter, as does the Ethernet clock, so a Renderer which uses higher performance clocks for these parts will have an advantage over one which does not. Just remember that all digital processor chips (computer processors, USB hub chips, Ethernet processor chips and switch chips, any DSP chip, any microprocessor of any type) have their own clock which they reference, and these clocks may matter for audio performance of the entire chain of the digital data delivery system. soares and Superdad 2 SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
barrows Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, honeymustardsteve said: interesting for clarity, i asked: "how does the usb femto clock work on the usb output of the aries" and they said the dac ignores the timing on the aries through usb so i may find better success with AES, but should try both Sure, always good advice to try both. Some DACs, although becoming more rare these days, have better performance through their AES input than through USB. Although in general, if each input is implemented "perfectly" USB does have technical advantages. This is more about what input on the DAC is best, and not what output on the G2 is best. At the price level of the G2 I would hope (and expect) that both its USB output and its AES output are equally superb. SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
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