Popular Post PorkChop Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 44 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I’m about to start the MQA seninar. Apparently the RMAF YouTube channel will live stream it. They were so rude to you with the interrupting! The audience shouldn't have live mics and be able to do that. Don Blas De Lezo and MikeyFresh 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post sdolezalek Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 Why is it that the crowd in your RMAF audience reminds me of a similarly aged group of men that over the last few days have been trying to convince us all about the future of our justice system...and you seem to be having about the same level of success as the women protesting in front of the Supreme Court? I won't pretend to argue who's right on either issue, but I worry any time an older, same gender, same ethnicity group is trying to convince the world that change is bad... pedalhead, Jud, Archimago and 2 others 4 1 Synology NAS>i7-6700/32GB/NVIDIA QUADRO P4000 Win10>Qobuz+Tidal>Roon>HQPlayer>DSD512> Fiber Switch>Ultrarendu (NAA)>Holo Audio May KTE DAC> Bryston SP3 pre>Levinson No. 432 amps>Magnepan (MG20.1x2, CCR and MMC2x6) Link to comment
Popular Post Sonicularity Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 Here is the link to the video. rn701 and tmtomh 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post PeterSt Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 @The Computer Audiophile, well done man. Unfair to be alone behind that desk. Mordikai, Don Blas De Lezo, pkane2001 and 9 others 9 2 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
Popular Post Archimago Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, PorkChop said: They were so rude to you with the interrupting! The audience shouldn't have live mics and be able to do that. Agree. Classic example of the way this operates. Never deal with the facts. Not once did they acknowledge that the FFT shows something is wrong. No explanation for the crypto. Just attack the guy. Looks like Chris didn't get to see the chat on YouTube. Christoph was there as well. MikeyFresh and Don Blas De Lezo 1 1 Archimago's Musings: A "more objective" take for the Rational Audiophile. Beyond mere fidelity, into immersion and realism. R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Popular Post Don Blas De Lezo Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 I think I might know who Archimago really is ....... he is Banksy ! Joking aside though , the behavior of the MQA guys made me dislike/distrust MQA more than I already do. NoisyNarrowBandDevice, MikeyFresh and Kyhl 1 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Archimago Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, Don Blas De Lezo said: I think I might know who Archimago really is ....... he is Banksy ! Joking aside though , the behavior of the MQA guys made me dislike/distrust MQA more than I already do. LOL. I wish I had 1/1000th the artistic skills of that dude. Seriously, does it matter who I am? Chris brought out Mans' name as well who actually reverse-engineered the MQA "rendering" system and they didn't get all heated about this! A simple FFT showing the frequency anomaly is the easiest thing to capture and as Chris said, it was actually first brought out by others on Youtube. Fascinating how they made this into some kind of controversy! Disgusting example from the MQA folks of how not to debate rationally and the frank inability of MQA to deal with fact. Whether it's "attacking the man" or bringing up Bob and referring to whatever statement he made as having truth... Would have been fun to see Ken Forsythe / Mike Jbara get up there and present why they think MQA improves time-domain performance, could be defined as "lossless", doesn't restrict bit-depth, how it's "better than hi-res", and tell us why crypto was embedded into MQA. Take heart Chris. I think the presentation came off as a desire to discuss facts, but was shouted down by bullies... 4est, Kyhl, MikeyFresh and 6 others 7 2 Archimago's Musings: A "more objective" take for the Rational Audiophile. Beyond mere fidelity, into immersion and realism. R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
BigAlMc Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 50 minutes ago, PeterSt said: @The Computer Audiophile, well done man. Unfair to be alone behind that desk. +1 on that. Great effort Chris and nothing short of bloody rude by the MQA gang! Don Blas De Lezo 1 Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos PhoenixNet > Muon Streaming System > Grimm Audio MU1 server > (Sablon AES) Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 38 minutes ago, Don Blas De Lezo said: Joking aside though , the behavior of the MQA guys made me dislike/distrust MQA more than I already do. Well said and I was thinking the very same thing. This is why companies hire certain types of people to do their trade show representation, it's called PR, and endearing ones self to prospective customers and in this case it was yet another botch job by the MQA folks. Epic fail among many others previously. Did they really think anyone would come away sympathetic, better informed, or in any way convinced of MQA's efficacy based on that angry, constantly interrupting, combative performance? Yet another nail in the coffin for MQA, in my view they looked and acted desperate, not confident at all. I agree with an above post that this is exactly more of the same, failure to answer the questions or face the facts, in favor of attack the messenger. Poorly played to say the least, not professional from any sales & marketing or PR standpoint. Rather pathetic actually. @The Computer Audiophile need not worry about how that went, devising and sticking to a given format that suited all was going to be nigh on impossible anyway. However a good faith attempt was there by Chris and unfortunately it got fully sidetracked/highjacked by a bunch of angry old men with nothing of substance to add to the discussion. And they think that's going to be even the least bit consumer friendly? I guess they've never read the Dale Carnegie book on how to win friends and influence people. I absolutely reaffirm my commitment to not buying ANYTHING from any MQA partner, nothing. Yes, I assign guilt by association, I vote with my consumer purchasing power and urge others to do the same, that group needs to be punished, let the market speak loudly. pedalhead, Sonicularity, Don Blas De Lezo and 2 others 4 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Sonicularity Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 "If it's inaudible do we care at the end of the day?" -Mike Jbara, CEO of MQA Can't the same be said about MP3 for a lot of music on a lot of systems? Lossless, though, remains lossless. Link to comment
Popular Post barrows Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 31 minutes ago, MikeyFresh said: I absolutely reaffirm my commitment to not buying ANYTHING from any MQA partner, nothing. Yes, I assign guilt by association, I vote with my consumer purchasing power and urge others to do the same, that group needs to be punished, let the market speak loudly. While I agree with this sentiment, and I certainly oppose MQA generally, boycotting of manufacturers which do allow for MQA functionality will not achieve the result you desire and most certainly will damage manufacturers who are trying very hard to produce the best possible products. Please understand the pressure which customers are exerting on manufacturers: there are a lot of customers out there who will not purchase a new DAC if it does not support MQA. Many manufacturers are anti MQA themselves, believe me, at the same time, very few, if any, manufacturers can afford to offend even a single potential customer and there are many, many (albeit less well informed than us) customers out there who are buying products and demanding MQA. Many of these manufacturers, even making excellent products offering good performance and value, are hanging on to economic validity by a thread. As long as a manufacturer allows for the MQA filter to be defeated, there is no disadvantage to them including MQA compatibility. To oppose MQA, demand genuine, non-MQA, non compressed, high resolution, content from the content providers. That is where the real battle lies, as if MQA gains a strong hold with content providers, it may well do so at the exclusion of being able to purchase un-adulterated high resolution of our favorite musics. Whether it be download, disc, or streamed, demand non MQA content. jventer, BigAlMc and Don Blas De Lezo 3 SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 Hi Guys - I can’t thank you enough for the support. I’m back at my hotel room licking my wounds. It didn’t feel good to be up there and I honestly don’t feel good right now. I need to take some time. Kyhl, bobfa, lmitche and 22 others 20 4 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Rt66indierock Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Hi Guys - I can’t thank you enough for the support. I’m back at my hotel room licking my wounds. It didn’t feel good to be up there and I honestly don’t feel good right now. I need take some time. PM sent Link to comment
Brinkman Ship Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeyFresh said: Well said and I was thinking the very same thing. This is why companies hire certain types of people to do their trade show representation, it's called PR, and endearing ones self to prospective customers and in this case it was yet another botch job by the MQA folks. Epic fail among many others previously. Did they really think anyone would come away sympathetic, better informed, or in any way convinced of MQA's efficacy based on that angry, constantly interrupting, combative performance? Yet another nail in the coffin for MQA, in my view they looked and acted desperate, not confident at all. I agree with an above post that this is exactly more of the same, failure to answer the questions or face the facts, in favor of attack the messenger. Poorly played to say the least, not professional from any sales & marketing or PR standpoint. Rather pathetic actually. @The Computer Audiophile need not worry about how that went, devising and sticking to a given format that suited all was going to be nigh on impossible anyway. However a good faith attempt was there by Chris and unfortunately it got fully sidetracked/highjacked by a bunch of angry old men with nothing of substance to add to the discussion. And they think that's going to be even the least bit consumer friendly? I guess they've never read the Dale Carnegie book on how to win friends and influence people. I absolutely reaffirm my commitment to not buying ANYTHING from any MQA partner, nothing. Yes, I assign guilt by association, I vote with my consumer purchasing power and urge others to do the same, that group needs to be punished, let the market speak loudly. ....in fact, the savage, as i have been proudly dubbed, will re-double his efforts to destroy MQA's credibility with the facts at hand..because that is all you need. Clearly the company employs low lifes who have no use for the truth and can't prove their "product" has any value what so ever with actual facts. MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Archimago Posted October 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2018 53 minutes ago, barrows said: While I agree with this sentiment, and I certainly oppose MQA generally, boycotting of manufacturers which do allow for MQA functionality will not achieve the result you desire and most certainly will damage manufacturers who are trying very hard to produce the best possible products. Please understand the pressure which customers are exerting on manufacturers: there are a lot of customers out there who will not purchase a new DAC if it does not support MQA. Many manufacturers are anti MQA themselves, believe me, at the same time, very few, if any, manufacturers can afford to offend even a single potential customer and there are many, many (albeit less well informed than us) customers out there who are buying products and demanding MQA. Many of these manufacturers, even making excellent products offering good performance and value, are hanging on to economic validity by a thread. As long as a manufacturer allows for the MQA filter to be defeated, there is no disadvantage to them including MQA compatibility. To oppose MQA, demand genuine, non-MQA, non compressed, high resolution, content from the content providers. That is where the real battle lies, as if MQA gains a strong hold with content providers, it may well do so at the exclusion of being able to purchase un-adulterated high resolution of our favorite musics. Whether it be download, disc, or streamed, demand non MQA content. Although I think @barrows and I would very much have disagreements in many ways ?, I agree with what he's saying. The hope as audiophiles desiring the "best possible" music for our enjoyment is to maintain the availability of lossless high-resolution and that one cannot beat that "studio master". MQA's propaganda to assert themselves as "exact" or "lossless" or "better" is the problem. Especially when they create this impression and expect to be further financially rewarded along the way. I certainly hope folks would not shun good hardware simply because of MQA compatibility, just as they should not avoid MP3 compatibility advertised on a box. I know for a fact that some companies are incorporating MQA compatibility out of that perception of consumer pressure to tick off all the boxes. But the engineers behind the scenes are far from impressed by the "technology" itself. Remember that there are NDAs signed and many who are able to speak about MQA are not at liberty to divulge their opinions. esldude and barrows 2 Archimago's Musings: A "more objective" take for the Rational Audiophile. Beyond mere fidelity, into immersion and realism. R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Brinkman Ship Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Hi Guys - I can’t thank you enough for the support. I’m back at my hotel room licking my wounds. It didn’t feel good to be up there and I honestly don’t feel good right now. I need take some time. You have 1000% our support for your performance, effort, and intentions.. ? Don Blas De Lezo 1 Link to comment
Brinkman Ship Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 37 minutes ago, barrows said: While I agree with this sentiment, and I certainly oppose MQA generally, boycotting of manufacturers which do allow for MQA functionality will not achieve the result you desire and most certainly will damage manufacturers who are trying very hard to produce the best possible products. Please understand the pressure which customers are exerting on manufacturers: there are a lot of customers out there who will not purchase a new DAC if it does not support MQA. Many manufacturers are anti MQA themselves, believe me, at the same time, very few, if any, manufacturers can afford to offend even a single potential customer and there are many, many (albeit less well informed than us) customers out there who are buying products and demanding MQA. Many of these manufacturers, even making excellent products offering good performance and value, are hanging on to economic validity by a thread. As long as a manufacturer allows for the MQA filter to be defeated, there is no disadvantage to them including MQA compatibility. To oppose MQA, demand genuine, non-MQA, non compressed, high resolution, content from the content providers. That is where the real battle lies, as if MQA gains a strong hold with content providers, it may well do so at the exclusion of being able to purchase un-adulterated high resolution of our favorite musics. Whether it be download, disc, or streamed, demand non MQA content. "Please understand the pressure which customers are exerting on manufacturers: there are a lot of customers out there who will not purchase a new DAC if it does not support MQA" ...and who created this pressure? We KNOW who. Sometimes NOT giving customers what they "want" is good business and serves the greater good. Link to comment
Brinkman Ship Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I am very, very impressed with the performance @The Computer Audiophile Link to comment
Derek Hughes Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I was in the audience and did interrupt and made some negative comments. In my opinion, despite Chris stating that he was going to be impartial, his presentation was anything but. Link to comment
Popular Post Brinkman Ship Posted October 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Derek Hughes said: I was in the audience and did interrupt and made some negative comments. In my opinion, despite Chris stating that he was going to be impartial, his presentation was anything but. You should be ashamed. Don Blas De Lezo and MikeyFresh 1 1 Link to comment
sandyk Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 50 minutes ago, barrows said: if MQA gains a strong hold with content providers, it may well do so at the exclusion of being able to purchase un-adulterated high resolution of our favorite musics. Whether it be download, disc, or streamed, demand non MQA content. That should be the only valid reason for demanding the inclusion of MQA support with a new DAC. The fear that the record companies will sometime in the future stop releasing genuine high res material from their vaults to consumers. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Sonicularity Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Derek Hughes said: I was in the audience and did interrupt and made some negative comments. In my opinion, despite Chris stating that he was going to be impartial, his presentation was anything but. DRM is a real threat, and only because the owners of the format that could stand to make the most from implementing a DRM scheme shout that they won't do it doesn't give consumers much confidence when it has been demonstrated that it is potentially easy to activate. If MQA becomes more pervasive throughout the industry, the consequence of adding DRM is more likely. At present, it would be ridiculous to open that can of worms as it would be a disaster for the brand. The truth, as we understand it today, has been bullied about with PR and marketing techniques. MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Archimago Posted October 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said: ....in fact, the savage, as i have been proudly dubbed, will re-double his efforts to destroy MQA's credibility with the facts at hand..because that is all you need. Clearly the company employs low lifes who have no use for the truth and can't prove their "product" has any value what so ever with actual facts. LOL. Love the spirit, man! IT'S ON!!! Sonicularity, Brinkman Ship and Don Blas De Lezo 3 Archimago's Musings: A "more objective" take for the Rational Audiophile. Beyond mere fidelity, into immersion and realism. R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Derek Hughes Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 So Chris, here’s where your site fails on this subject. Brinkman Ship says I should be ashamed and I know that if I engaged in a debate with him or others I would receive a shit storm. Link to comment
Brinkman Ship Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Archimago said: LOL. Love the spirit, man! IT'S ON!!! Brass knuckles all the way. ? Link to comment
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