MQA The Truth lies Somewhere in the Middle

[kumakuma]

7 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

it was a plot by the Deep State to make MQA supporters look bad

 

I know the company is struggling but hiring lunatics like this reflects poorly on the brand.

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24 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

Don't take me wrong, but the blind guy is the punctuation mark that only real life can deliver

 

 

Yes, he was definitely "looking" to escape. ?

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17 minutes ago, Derek Hughes said:

I worked at Intel for over 20 years, if you think that was rude you have no idea.

 

 

 

What a lame ass excuse for bad behaviour.

 

 

[kumakuma]

7 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Edwin’s blindness is a nonissue. Nobody in his right mind makes fun of a blind person because he is blind. 

 

I agree.

 

Regardless of what others may think, we aren't table pounding savages here at CA.

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1 minute ago, Derek Hughes said:

Thanks, you are certainly piling it on. 

 

I think it's called Constructive Confrontation. ?

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3 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said:

one correction..Scoggins THINKS he is an insider..a sycophant in reality.

 

I prefer the term "groupie". 

 

"Toadie" would also work:

 

 

 

"In our world you were either a bully, a toadie or one of the nameless rabble of victims." - Ralphie, "A Christmas Story"

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3 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Well said.  I think there was also a mistake on the part of the video team.  They stopped filming while an active discussion was underway and within the event time slot.  The discussion was very civil and contained some good information.  The conversation ended on a good note.

 

 

Based on your glowing review, I'm guessing it was an MQA circle jerk.

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10 minutes ago, MikeyFresh said:

 

We all see what you are trying to do with this type of post and it isn't working, you are nowhere near as clever or capable of subtle innuendo as you might fancy.

 

You, Forsythe, and Jbara rudely and unprofessionally derailed the presentation, and you looked quite bad in doing so. Your continued lame-ass attempt at all manner of deflect is comical. You give yourself far too much credit, really... you have failed at every turn to be persuasive in any way.

 

Just give it up, no one forgot your previous poor showing here and in case you failed to recognize it, no one here really thinks you have been hard at work researching answers or are now ready to produce the results of such. We are laughing at you, and also laughing at Jbara's terrible RMAF showing too. Very unbecoming of someone at his level in an organization, and very telling too.

 

 

 

Lee isn't here to win friends and influence people.

 

He's only posting here to earn brownie points with his industry buddies.

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2 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

Members of the club have an inherent right to say and do whatever they want, and to control all narratives.  This isn't a dialog.  They dictate.  You obey.  Shut up and buy their stuff.

 

Fortunately, we also have the right to stop reading his magazine.

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11 minutes ago, John_Atkinson said:

 

I do a lot of public speaking -  there are ways of dealing with interruptions (though I'm glad RT66indierock didn't bring his blue laser to my own presentation.) With all due respect, Chris appeared to be out of his depth as the presenter of a seminar. He wasn't able to control what was happening and let things get away from him. The fact that he shut it down at 42 minutes into the planned hour was disappointing. That wasn't Marjorie's fault or even the MQA guys' fault. That is down to Chris.

 

John Atkinson

Editor, Stereophile

 

 

Blaming the victim for the beating he received, really?

 

Have you no sense of decency, Mr. Atkinson?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Bingo.

 

Toady

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3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I will happily run the same tests and put my own name on them. Anyone want to guess if @Lee Scoggins or MQA will finally address the issues?

 

And would @John_Atkinson publish it in his magazine?

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, wgscott said:

Most people here had an either indifferent or positive opinion about MQA here when it was first announced.  

 

If I remember correctly, Chris was in this camp initially until analysis by Mansr and others showed clearly what a clusterfuck MQA/DRM is under the hood. 

[kumakuma]

 

1 minute ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

What the customer buys also depends on access.  If MQA is embedded in a streaming service, then the customer may buy for the improved sound quality but many other factors like price, depth of albums, branding, etc. will determine value for the customer.

 

There were only 2 MQA execs in attendance, Ken and Mike, and a PR rep who handles several companies, of which MQA is a customer.  Mike and Ken were civil.

 

Derek is a customer who likes MQA and got pretty animated but he's not associated with the company.

 

Are you compensated by the company, either financially or in other ways?

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1 minute ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

No, I have not received any compensation.  I am writing articles on the technology because I think it has merit in terms of getting more hirez out as my first article showed.

 

Thank you.

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3 hours ago, rwdvis said:

 

 

Kumakuma,

You don’t actually believe him, do you?  Look closely at his answer.  You have to use a critical eye when dealing with such people.

 

“No, I have not received any compensation.”

 

Translation:  I have not yet received any compensation.

 

This does not answer the intended question as to whether there is/was any agreement, arrangement, partnership, planned/future compensation, etc.

 

Additional points to consider:

1). People are perfectly capable of lying (some are more capable than others)
2)  There are hundreds of creative ways one can be compensated (some even violate state/federal laws)
3). Illegal or secret arrangements/transactions are not out of the realm of possibilities

 

I don’t get this honor thing, where people assume that if they ask a question, they’re getting an honorable answer.  No.  Some people are simply dishonest, disingenuous, straight up liars.

 

One final point:  The question is poorly worded (i.e., “the company” is meaningless).

 

I believe things are much simpler than this.

 

Lee believes that, despite his day job as a business consultant, he is part of the industry and he wants others in the industry to see him as a fellow insider.

 

He is waving the MQA flag in the hopes that his "friends" in the industry will see him as one of their own.

 

In other words, he doing this so that the "cool kids" will like him and let him come to their parties.

 

[kumakuma]

2 hours ago, John_Atkinson said:

 

For the record, I have no connection with MQA other than reporting on it. They are not my "folks." Please put your conspiracy theories back in your pocket.

 

John Atkinson

Editor, Stereophile

 

 

So if Chris wrote an article about MQA for your publication you'd consider publishing it?

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49 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said:

 

You will see at the end, AS IF YOU DID NOT KNOW the true character of Scoggins when he claims there is "no meaningful debate" on CA about MQA. 

 

 

This says it all. 

 

Products that solve a genuine problem or add real value do not need to be sold through lies.

 

@Lee Scoggins

 

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6 minutes ago, FredericV said:

 

 

At the end of the video they all laughed at CA. They also made comments that Chris ran away. LeeS tries to convince the audience that a CA member tried to have another member fired for having an honest debate. WTF ? I can point you to the complete log of this honest debate, where the now banned member is calling another company a fraud and making tens of page long posts while supposed being on a dayjob.

This former CA member then changes the discussion into an ad-hominem discussion until the line was crossed so extremely that this member was banned. He came back under another fake user, IP was matched, banned again ... he setup fake accounts at Archimago's site, and was so stupid to disclose his tactic in the secret group.

The MQA gang did exactly the same at RMAF, and they should face the consequences of their actions. They sabotaged your presentation by questioning your motives and playing ad-hominem. LeeS is also taking the lead in the anti CA discussion.

It was a coordinated attack against CA.

Do we accept that such members can remain here on the site?

 

I see no reason why @Lee Scoggins shouldn't be allowed to continue to embarass himself here. 

[kumakuma]

12 minutes ago, GeorgeFlush said:

 

What you did @The Computer Audiophile? Of course, ban the victim (@Brian Lucey) , so, in that moment you were the cyber equivalent of the MQA bouncers that crapped on your presentation.

 

 

Lucey was banned for being a complete asshole, not for his views on MQA or any other subject.

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1 minute ago, GeorgeFlush said:

 

A complete asshole is the one who insults others without a particular reason, no someone that is answering to trolls shitting on his work. There's a big difference between aggression and self defense.

 

Chris doesn't make distinctions like this. Those that continue to insult others, regardless of the reason, are banned.

 

Lucey was warned. He continued. He was banned. That's how things work here.

 

I also suggest that you actually read the applicable threads. You will see that there were few, if any people, "shitting on his work".

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, GeorgeFlush said:

 

If that's true, then he can't complain about the RMAF presentation.

 

Your logic escapes me.

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11 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

The quick dismissal and ridicule of any subjective test that dares to find benefit in MQA shows the inherent bias against the format on this board.

 

 

Why would you assume that Chris is speaking for anyone other than himself?

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26 minutes ago, mansr said:

I think he means "MQA".

 

Someone needs to tell him that the "A" in MQA doesn't stand for "Accuracy".

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7 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

But in fact, we are not seeing that.  HDTracks and SuperHirez continue to add tracks.  Qobuz is having a great launch judging from the Rocky Mountain Audio Show.  Hirez just keeps coming.

 

Then why do we need MQA?