Popular Post mcgillroy Posted October 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Fokus said: The part of the encryption used for authentication is not the DRM we are pointing at, pay attention. This said, the authentication scheme does not even work. It has been demonstrated here that an MQA file can be mutilated, with the Famous Blue LED still remaining lit. (Apologies to Jenny and Lenny.) On top of that authentication is DRM. Technically and more importantly legally. Trying to reduce DRM to copy control is just part of the MQA marketing spiel. Doctoring terms is what they are good at and any journalist should be able to look through it. There also is a copy-control angle to authentication. Authentication is a prerequisite for fine grained access control, including the capacity to control copying the file or parts of the file. Bob’s word stands against business realities. If this failing startup ever gets acquired we’ll see if Bob still has a say to what his cleverly engineered DRM can do and can’t do. MrMoM, crenca and Siltech817 1 2 Link to comment
Popular Post mcgillroy Posted October 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2018 Can we please get back on track with this thread! Confused and The Computer Audiophile 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post mcgillroy Posted October 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Lee Scoggins said: I know of at least two labels where they put the MQA technology through rigorous tests. Could you please elaborate what kind of tests? Sonic77 and Thuaveta 1 1 Link to comment
mcgillroy Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said: Not true. The artist is more concerned with the live event in the studio more often than the end product. MQA is getting closer to the live event and, thus the artist's intentions. Hey Lee - ever heard of multitracking?! It’s been around for a while, utilized in 99% of cases when recording classical music too. “Live-event” in the studio. Lol. You are living either in a different decade or in a fantasy world. Most likely both. MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
mcgillroy Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, mansr said: Therein lies the problem. Nobody should be allowed to leech off of everybody else like that. It‘s called rent seeking. Link to comment
mcgillroy Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Lee Scoggins said: 2. I work on two different AI ecosystems at work and I am applying my learning from that to what MQA is doing with a music provider ecosystem. I believe there will be some good for the industry. Can you please elaborate how AI ecosystems yield relevance to MQA? Link to comment
Popular Post mcgillroy Posted October 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: . I just discussed how the artist will make more money under the plan but it really remains to be seen how that unfolds. Exactlly. You didn’t discuss how artist benefit, you suggested that higher streaming revenue could lead to better compensation for artists. Note the “could” here and would you please elaborate how MQA solves - or at least alters - the principal-agent problem inherent to the artist-label relation? Thank you. Shadders, MikeyFresh and MrMoM 2 1 Link to comment
mcgillroy Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 36 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: I really don't see this. If DRM was a primary factor, they would want to see it in use but we have not a single documented case of DRM being used in an MQA file after even thousands of tracks being released in MQA. Can you "unfold" MQA without a licensed decoder? Can a vendor implement an MQA decoder without a license? Does the vendor have to be "certified" by MQA in order do implement their stack and does this certification include the generation of a cryptographic identifier of that vendor? Does the MQA-stack include checks for integrity of the software and the hardware environment it is deployed in? Does MQA encoding of files include embedding cryptographic means to authenticate the file via the decoder? Does MQA include means to not only encrypt the high-rez portion of the file but the complete file? If the answer is yes to one or more of of these questions Digital Rights Management is used. Care to disagree? If so please explain. It's simple Lee: every time MQA is used DRM is in use. MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
Popular Post mcgillroy Posted October 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Lee Scoggins said: You are taking a very broad definition of DRM. The above is for authentication. Can a customer copy a file? Yes. Do they need to have a MQA device or software to unfold? Yes. But most new digital innovation requires new hardware and encoding/decoding devices. Trying to narrow down the definition of DRM to copy-protection is part of MQA's marketing spiel. And you are playing along. Such a definition does not adhere to the technological and legal definitions of DRM accepted in the industry, by IP-laywers and in academia. It's as intellectually dishonest as to relabel accepted technical terms like dispersion into "blur" or lossless into "lossless in the air." Marketing is marketing. But if you try to hide your intentions behind semantic operations of that magnitude you have something profound to hide. You are also underestimating your audience. So again Lee: is MQA DRM or not? Simple question, simple answer. Thank you. Kyhl, Thuaveta, Shadders and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
mcgillroy Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 21 hours ago, mcgillroy said: Trying to narrow down the definition of DRM to copy-protection is part of MQA's marketing spiel. And you are playing along. Such a definition does not adhere to the technological and legal definitions of DRM accepted in the industry, by IP-laywers and in academia. It's as intellectually dishonest as to relabel accepted technical terms like dispersion into "blur" or lossless into "lossless in the air." Marketing is marketing. But if you try to hide your intentions behind semantic operations of that magnitude you have something profound to hide. You are also underestimating your audience. So again Lee: is MQA DRM or not? Simple question, simple answer. Thank you. @Lee Scoggins I see you answered a host of other questions here in the past 24h. You choose to ignore this one. Would you please tell us if MQA is DRM or not?! Thank you. Link to comment
Popular Post mcgillroy Posted October 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said: As for others here like jabbr disparaging Bob. That just looks foolish as Bob is a recognized and well established expert and pioneer in digital, regardless of how you feel about MQA. BS might has well been an established expert in digital audio but MQA is his own undoing of his reputation. He has put himself into the worldwide limelight of digital audio expertise and he is not looking good. In fact it looks like he exploited his expertise in digital audio to build a clever and well camouflaged DRM-system for online-music. As a side effect everyone now knows that BS might have been a digital audio expert but definitely never was a successful businessman. Rather the opposite, he is just a trust-fund-baby by proxy. Many companies managed to make profit in digital audio, Bob never did. This alone makes it questionable to trust him. Or do Accenture consultants disagree?! And btw @Lee Scoggins you still didn't answer above question on DRM. Shall I remind you every 24h for the time being...;) Hugo9000, Shadders, esldude and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment
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