MQA The Truth lies Somewhere in the Middle

[christopher3393]

11 hours ago, Rt66indierock said:

Our own Chris Connaker will lead this discussion Sunday afternoon at RMAF. Time get that list together of the cons, cost and claims made. 

 

From the RMAF site:

"MQA: The Truth Lies Somewhere in the Middle @ Marriott Aspen Amphitheater, Lobby Level

Oct 7, Sunday @ 3:00 pm – 4:00 pm

Speakers: Chris Connaker, Computer Audiophile

Since MQA launched in 2014 the technology has been loved by some and loathed by others. Like all contentious topics and technologies, there is a wide range of opinions about MQA that lie on a continuum. In this seminar Chris will leave the opinionated arguments behind and discuss the pros, cons, costs, and claims made about MQA. This session is meant to provide attendees with factual information they can use in their pursuits to increase their enjoyment of this wonderful hobby."

 

This entry has the date wrong, I think. Either that or the day is Fri.: https://www.audiofest.net/show-schedule/action~agenda/cat_ids~4/

 

 

[christopher3393]

3 hours ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

What entry is wrong?

 

Sorry, my error. 

[christopher3393]

30 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Authenticated as well ?

 

...inauthentically authenticated ?

[christopher3393]

4 hours ago, Archimago said:

But what are the desires of the Industry and at what point does advertising become so false that consumers have to literally dissociate their faith from traditional sources of (dis)information?

 

Excellent question, imo.

 

My own consumer question is: what important statements about MQA by Bob Stuart are most misleading, and what would be a more transparent and moderate way of making these statements in plain english as much as possible.

 

One thought I've had is to begin with a basic article like Crutchfield's ( https://www.crutchfield.com/learn/mqa-high-res-audio-breakthrough.html) and respond to it with more accurate claims and explanations.

 

One of the larger questions, like Archimago's, may be easier to address in time ( "the owl of minerva (wisdom) only takes flight at dusk")

Hopefully it will be fortuitous that this is the last session scheduled  ?, but my impression is that this could get ugly during Q+A, given the tensions that I think still exist.

[christopher3393]

OT, but for the record, Srajan Ebaen's Bio from 6moons:

 

:http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/srajan/1.html

 

"Philosophical beginnings. At eighteen and much to the chagrin of friends and relatives, this future scribe traveled to India to spend time in the ashram of the controversial mystic Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh who later became known simply as Osho. Osho gave him the name Dhyan Srajan which translates as 'creativity from meditation'. Srajan eventually abandoned his classical music studies to concentrate on these new pursuits. He emigrated to the US to become part of the Rajneeshpuram community in the high desert of Oregon. When that large-scale experiment ended and much of the community regrouped in the former Indian headquarters of Poona, he decided to stay in the US."

 

"Credits. For world view and spiritual perspective, grateful acknowledgements go to his root teacher Osho as well as the American-born Avatar Adi Da Samraj, British-born Maitreya Ishwara and modern-day teacher Nirmala."

 

This is a telling list. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/apr/07/cult-oregon-1980s-terror-netflix-documentary-wild-country

[christopher3393]

What would "The Death of MQA" MEAN, other than an opportunity for a few audiophiles to dance on its grave?

[christopher3393]

I just want to say that I'm 100% behind Chris Connaker on this issue. Thanks.

[christopher3393]

14 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

Goodnight.

 

 

[christopher3393]

54 minutes ago, cookiemarenco said:

OOOOPSSSS!  I meant... thank you, Chrisopher3393!

okay... I have to go mix a record now...  I mean fold laundry. 

You boys are a lot of fun, but I gotta go 

 

Cookie Marenco

Blue Coast Music

 

Sorry, Cookie. Didn't mean to drag you into this. I appreciate the work you do.

[christopher3393]

23 minutes ago, John_Atkinson said:

 

The INS thought so when I came to the US. Perhaps you'd better write them to let them know about the error. :-)

 

John Atkinson

Editor, Stereophile

 

Hi John. Do you believe that there are serious criticisms to be made of the piece published here by Archimago? I respect your editorial position for Stereophile, but really don't understand why there is a professional or ethical issue in critiquing an "anonymous" piece. A number of other s have taken up your position, or something like it, and it leads one to wonder how genuine this obstacle is. The lack of critical response to this piece is a substantial  lacuna in this debate, and it raises all sorts of suspicions and obstacles to further meaningful discussion.

 

I'd like to add that, while I understand that constructive criticism can be made regarding how Chris did not clearly and firmly demand and enforce Q+A being held off until the end(and this is very easily corrected), I still wonder a firmer position would have been honored in this case, and if the Q+A would have been clearly hostile anyway (perhaps even more hostile than it was). I have seen several industry members  that have shown no compassion in their blaming Chris for how the seminar went. I did not see the fundamental respect and good faith that civility calls for. Nor have I seen a serious response to his presentation. Chris' decision to end the session early is completely understandable given how he was mistreated. Now he deserves a substantive response from the MQA execs present and from the audiophile press, imo.

 

Thanks for your patience.

 

btw, it is not hard to find out who Archimago is if you follow his blog and his posting here. I often disagree with him, but his is a substantive voice that calls for substantive critique. I hope that the audiophile press does not fail to provide that.

[christopher3393]

 

1 hour ago, Brinkman Ship said:

..and it was utterly moronic to attack his work considering his strong anti MQA stance, which IS an expert opinion because he was given in studio demos.

 

Audiophiles have no discipline and are experts on everything. Note: This not directly meant for you, but is a general statement. 

 

1 hour ago, Brinkman Ship said:

it would never have happened without provaction.

 

Spoken like a Fair Hedon  ?

 

On 2/6/2018 at 2:10 PM, kumakuma said:

 

The timeline works. Fair Hedon was banned on 1/26 and Brinkman Ship joined on 1/28. 

 

...and a little on Steve Hoffman. Striking similarities:

 

On 1/26/2018 at 11:35 AM, Fair Hedon said:

a forum post...some review...lol...

 

it is widely known he is an incredible miser.

 

Like all trust fund babies, he has a huge sense of entitlement.

 

Ever hear of a "top" mastering engineer posting to borrow gear, studios, SACD players, etc?

 

...and from a member that many remember who was in good standing and then was basically chased away with ridicule because he dared to like the sound of mqa.  And there is more. Of course, this could all be coincidence. Maybe  Shipwreck could share his real identity with Chris? Maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle?

On 2/6/2018 at 5:19 PM, notron said:

According to Chris you joined with the email address "mqatruth"  (48 hrs after a member who shares a certain stylistic approach, and incidentally also owns a BDP streamer, was banned) and went to some lengths to conceal your location.

[christopher3393]

5 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

I notice that you keep making snide remarks but you don't actually present any arguments to my quotes.

 

Hi Lee! 

Well, Chris presented a pretty nifty power point, but I think I can answer all of your questions quite simply.

 

At first, MQA promised to be like this:

 

 

Remember those days? Ah, the first blush of a Next Big Thing! Pretty cool.

 

Then, as things proceeded, the message seemed to get more and more cryptic in some ways,  almost as if it came from another paradigm or an alien source:

 

 

But then began the Close Encounters:

 

 

We were getting milked!

 

And so, as a result, "Bovine Vendetta"!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zums9sk1g5o&list=PL2D1AD01DD686A3F5

 

Hope that helps.  ?

 

[christopher3393]

15 minutes ago, jabbr said:

 

Fake news. The fact that you sign a human name means nothing here on the Internet. I don’t judge you by your name or website or the credentials you supply. That is or could all be fake. I judge based on the intelligence of your posts and the ability to respond to questions. I smell agenda — yours or who ever is programming you. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

I don’t think there’s an outside agenda being imposed.  Mr. Scoggins has knowledge and experience in the field of audio.  He’s simply formed an opinion on various matters connected with MQA that is more favorable than most folks here (including me) believe the available evidence warrants.

 

https://parttimeaudiophile.com/author/leescoggins/

 

 

Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in the middle.   ?

[christopher3393]

3 hours ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

You are on to something. Lee is a real person in Atlanta. I met him at RMAF Saturday night. He is part of the public accounting / consulting world focused on artificial intelligence (McKinsey, KPMG, Accenture). He would have access to chat and marketing bots and the posts on Computer Audiophile are these. Or these are his real thoughts and he can't respond well to the questions we pose to him.

 

A heads I win tails you lose kind of thing. 

 

Just my own subjective impressions from reading around 300 posts from Lee Scoggins:

 

1. Entrepreneurial

2. Gung-ho

3. "Trust the MQA guys", when distrust, imo, has been earned

4. Evasive 

5. Talks past the point at times...a sense that he is addressing the "crowd", not the interlocutor

6.Doesn't demonstrate a strong grasp of the technical details, where the devil lies

7. Generally polite and professional

8. May be disingenuous at times, doesn't appear to be a "good faith" or authentic conversationalist

 

This is just one person's reading of the posting patterns, which may have left numerous misimpressions, and is susceptible to bias.

[christopher3393]

Looks like we've officially hit the "chickenshit" phase of this thread ?. Yeah, some profs go for the "sadism thinly disguised as necessary discipline" approach to bleeding a paper.

 

So some folks here use English as a second or 3rd language. And some have more of a Joycean sensibility where others prefer a monochromatic minimalist style. No problemo.

 

If you can't tolerate someone's challenging prose, you could try constructive criticism, or ask the poster what he means, OR, in this case, ask me. I can usually (not always!)understand what rando is saying and I think he is sometimes unusually insightful. In the case of the above post, you could just highlight the word "childish" and get the drift, and a reasonable request to give J.A. a break every now and then. How hard is that to get?

 

As for this thread, maybe its title could exchange the word "muddle" for "middle". I'll stick with Chris C's powerpoint. Winkies all around! ?

[christopher3393]

8 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

You have officially hit the chickenshit phase of your civility critique...

 

"He who clucks last..."?  ?

[christopher3393]

57 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

I got the video I wanted.  I teach CLE & CPE so I'm used to maintaining order. And I had my blue laser pointer with me.

 

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[christopher3393]

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Excalibur is where it's at - try for some DoD bucks too

 

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