Kal Rubinson Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Teresa said: I really like the orchestral suite from Carmen. IMHO there is a lot of great music from operas without the singing. You might try this. Apparently, there is a lot of great music from The Beatles without the singing.? Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted August 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 11:38 PM, AnotherSpin said: I could not decide whether I should I be baffled by remarks here, but I personally believe opera singing is the most beautiful I know from all kinds or types of singing. And opera would be considered as the highest form of art, imho. From the other side I could not be exemplary objective here, as I adore opera for decades and I have enormous experience of listening opera recordings. Wagner, Mozart, Verdi, Puccini... are capable to bring me to tears quite often. It's just taste. I don't enjoy classical singing in any form. I appreciate it, but don't enjoy it. I do listen to lots of classical music, I just don't like the singing. Don't know why. My Mom used to play the radio broadcasts of the the Metropolitan every weekend, so it's not like I wasn't exposed to it. I have been to a couple of performances and enjoyed those more. I guess having the visuals made me not notice that I don't actually like the singing. Sorry to insult the opera lovers, but I'd rather listen to the singing of Muddy Waters, John Lennon, Joe Williams, or Sinatra any day. wgscott, Ralf11 and Teresa 2 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: You might try this. Apparently, there is a lot of great music from The Beatles without the singing.? There's also a lot of great music from Ballets without the dancing. Teresa 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Popular Post wgscott Posted August 28, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Kal Rubinson said: Apparently, there is a lot of great music from The Beatles without the singing.? Yes, but it only comes out of one of the speakers. sphinxsix and mansr 2 Link to comment
wgscott Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, firedog said: Sorry to insult the opera lovers, but I'd rather listen to the singing of Muddy Waters, John Lennon, Joe Williams, or Sinatra any day. +6.02 x 10^23. But you forgot Tom Waits. Jud 1 Link to comment
Jud Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 48 minutes ago, wgscott said: +6.02 x 10^23. But you forgot Tom Waits. I like Tom Waits a lot. OTOH, Aretha sang opera (subbing for Pavarotti who was ill), so she probably didn't hate it. Not surprisingly, great musicians love all kinds of music. They tend to get less hung up on categories than many fans. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 hours ago, firedog said: There's also a lot of great music from Ballets without the dancing. Exactly but its not ballet without the dancing! Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Ha! Amedeus Avocado's Number Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 1:55 PM, mansr said: On 8/26/2018 at 1:16 PM, sphinxsix said: I can't even think about my possible reaction to a death metal band which would add operatic vocals to their frontman growling I'll have to suggest that to the local musicians and see what they do. It seems that the idea of mixing of growling and operatic vocals is not so new : (I actually hate it a little bit less than I thought I would - probably due to the fact that this piece is not as extreme as death metal) Link to comment
christopher3393 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Terry Gilliam weighs in: Trailer for Terry Gilliam's production of Berlioz "Benvenuto Cellini": sphinxsix 1 Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 hours ago, christopher3393 said: Terry Gilliam weighs in: Trailer for Terry Gilliam's production of Berlioz "Benvenuto Cellini": I think I might like TG's opera. In particular its instrumental parts of course christopher3393 1 Link to comment
Popular Post jhwalker Posted September 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 8/28/2018 at 9:38 AM, firedog said: It's just taste. I don't enjoy classical singing in any form. I appreciate it, but don't enjoy it. I do listen to lots of classical music, I just don't like the singing. Don't know why. My Mom used to play the radio broadcasts of the the Metropolitan every weekend, so it's not like I wasn't exposed to it. I have been to a couple of performances and enjoyed those more. I guess having the visuals made me not notice that I don't actually like the singing. Sorry to insult the opera lovers, but I'd rather listen to the singing of Muddy Waters, John Lennon, Joe Williams, or Sinatra any day. Conversely, to a trained singer, the singing of some of these is like nails on a chalkboard. I've learned to appreciate it more as I've grown older / more mellow, but pop singing used to annoy the #$% out of me. LOL. wgscott and Hugo9000 1 1 John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
FIndingit Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Early 20th century Baltimore surely wasn't the best place for opera. I doubt it's the best place for it today. Say NO to ROON Link to comment
christopher3393 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 7 hours ago, FIndingit said: Early 20th century Baltimore surely wasn't the best place for opera. I doubt it's the best place for it today. No worries if you don't mind viewing at a cinema in Baltimore: https://www.metopera.org/season/in-cinemas/ "The 2018–19 Live in HD season of movie theater transmissions begins on October 6 with Verdi’s Aida, starring Anna Netrebko." Link to comment
rodrigaj Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I used to enjoy The Met opera at the local AMC. Where else could you see Shostakovich's The Nose outside of NYC? But now, since we can't be seated one second without food and drink, the smells and disruptions have made the AMC opera experience unbearable. And while I'm venting, texting, email checking, facebook checking, ... etc., have made the experience impossible. "The function of music is to release us from the tyranny of conscious thought", Sir Thomas Beecham. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 hours ago, rodrigaj said: I used to enjoy The Met opera at the local AMC. Where else could you see Shostakovich's The Nose outside of NYC? But now, since we can't be seated one second without food and drink, the smells and disruptions have made the AMC opera experience unbearable. And while I'm venting, texting, email checking, facebook checking, ... etc., have made the experience impossible. That's why we have BlueRay discs. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
rodrigaj Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: That's why we have BlueRay discs. The MET performance of Shostakovich's The Nose is on BlueRay? The problem with BlueRay is that none of the unusual stuff gets released. Once the performances in movie theatres are done they are gone. "The function of music is to release us from the tyranny of conscious thought", Sir Thomas Beecham. Link to comment
jhwalker Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 hours ago, rodrigaj said: I used to enjoy The Met opera at the local AMC. Where else could you see Shostakovich's The Nose outside of NYC? But now, since we can't be seated one second without food and drink, the smells and disruptions have made the AMC opera experience unbearable. And while I'm venting, texting, email checking, facebook checking, ... etc., have made the experience impossible. I guess we're really lucky - the theater we go to (can't wait for Aida this Saturday) is populated primarily by blue hairs and men older than we So very little texting, email checking, etc. - just a group of 100 or so die-hard opera fans enjoying great music John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, rodrigaj said: The MET performance of Shostakovich's The Nose is on BlueRay? The problem with BlueRay is that none of the unusual stuff gets released. Once the performances in movie theatres are done they are gone. Not that I know of but there is a DVD, a YouTube performance and a multichannel SACD. One hopes there will be a BluRay one day. At least one can enjoy these without distractions. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Bob Stern Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, jhwalker said: I guess we're really lucky - the theater we go to (can't wait for Aida this Saturday) is populated primarily by blue hairs and men older than we So very little texting, email checking, etc. - just a group of 100 or so die-hard opera fans enjoying great music That can be a mixed blessing. In our local theater, I complained the volume was so loud the sound system was distorting. Another patron said they needed the volume loud because all the seniors in the audience were hard of hearing. Of course, they were unconvinced by my assertion that they'd hear better if the audio were less distorted. (Rant: When I lived in LA many years ago, there were several theaters with THX sound systems, but in the Bay Area I'm unaware of any theater with high quality sound.) For me, the MET streaming channel is a better audio experience than the local theaters. However, its audio quality is markedly inferior to redbook. In fact, I've never heard even a BluRay video whose audio is as good as redbook. Maybe my Oppo 103 is degrading the audio when it converts it to Toslink for connection to my DAC, but all reports of the Oppo are positive. HQPlayer (on 3.8 GHz 8-core i7 iMac 2020) > NAA (on 2012 Mac Mini i7) > RME ADI-2 v2 > Benchmark AHB-2 > Thiel 3.7 Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, Bob Stern said: In fact, I've never heard even a BluRay video whose audio is as good as redbook. I am surprised. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Bob Stern Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: I am surprised. Do the vast majority of Bluray opera videos have uncompressed audio tracks? Perhaps the Oppo is outputting the compressed stereo track instead of extracting uncompressed stereo from the highest quality multi-channel track, even though I select the latter in the on-screen setup menu for the title. Sorry, Kal; I can’t scrounge up more than two loudspeakers (: HQPlayer (on 3.8 GHz 8-core i7 iMac 2020) > NAA (on 2012 Mac Mini i7) > RME ADI-2 v2 > Benchmark AHB-2 > Thiel 3.7 Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 10 hours ago, Bob Stern said: Do the vast majority of Bluray opera videos have uncompressed audio tracks? Yes. 10 hours ago, Bob Stern said: Perhaps the Oppo is outputting the compressed stereo track instead of extracting uncompressed stereo from the highest quality multi-channel track, even though I select the latter in the on-screen setup menu for the title. I cannot vouch for whether the mamajority of Bluray opera videos have an uncompressed stereo audio track. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
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