quanghuy147 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Please check the pic. Has anyone try this way? I put the Digione and Rpi on the ground, then place 3 x 3.5 hard drives on it. It seems that the sound is cleaner and music instruments are more separated. Maybe you can use any heavy thing (about 3kg) in place of 3 x 3.5 hard drives. Also, maybe I will buy some isolating feet for it in a near future. Please try and share your experience. Link to comment
quanghuy147 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Is there any difference in sound quality in the 3 scenarios below, in which case can I have the best sound quality? -plug a 2.5 hard drive with music to Rpi3 + Digione -plug USB memory stick with music to Rpi3 + Digione -connect NAS with music to Rpi3 + Digione by Wifi Thank you Link to comment
zacho Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, quanghuy147 said: Please check the pic. Has anyone try this way? I put the Digione and Rpi on the ground, then place 3 x 3.5 hard drives on it. It seems that the sound is cleaner and music instruments are more separated. Maybe you can use any heavy thing (about 3kg) in place of 3 x 3.5 hard drives. Also, maybe I will buy some isolating feet for it in a near future. Please try and share your experience. I actually use a doorstop from Amazonto weight the digione sig down on a Wellfloat suspension platform. quanghuy147 1 Link to comment
quanghuy147 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 hours ago, zacho said: I actually use a doorstop from Amazonto weight the digione sig down on a Wellfloat suspension platform. This is a much better solution, how much did you pay for the Wellfloat platform? Where did you buy it? Thank you! Link to comment
RX8R3ROD Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 hours ago, quanghuy147 said: Please check the pic. Has anyone try this way? I put the Digione and Rpi on the ground, then place 3 x 3.5 hard drives on it. It seems that the sound is cleaner and music instruments are more separated. Maybe you can use any heavy thing (about 3kg) in place of 3 x 3.5 hard drives. Also, maybe I will buy some isolating feet for it in a near future. Please try and share your experience. Top work Sir 👍🏻 It seems many things affect the Sig (and just about every other digital product on the market) and vibration is certainly one of them. My theory is it affects the clocks particularly adversely ... but I don’t have any data to prove that, unfortunately. FWIW I use Soundeck constrained layer damping feet underneath and on top of my Sig. Here’s a 1.5 minute video that shows how effective these Soundeck things really are (using their turntable mat as the example) 😉 I suspect lots of experimentation in this area will bring significant reward. quanghuy147 1 Link to comment
zacho Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 9 hours ago, quanghuy147 said: This is a much better solution, how much did you pay for the Wellfloat platform? Where did you buy it? Thank you! Amazon JP has it. I think I got mine from Rakuten. I really can't remember. quanghuy147 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Boleary3 Posted December 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2019 20 hours ago, quanghuy147 said: Is there any difference in sound quality in the 3 scenarios below, in which case can I have the best sound quality? -plug a 2.5 hard drive with music to Rpi3 + Digione -plug USB memory stick with music to Rpi3 + Digione -connect NAS with music to Rpi3 + Digione by Wifi Thank you I found that attaching music directly to the Digione, either memory stick or hard drive, degrades sound quality: more noise and glare. I would think that using wifi would do the same so I have wifi turned off, I believe, in my digione. In my set up, my music hard drive is connected to my "music server" lap top. I use Audirvana player on the server laptop as my music player. Audirvana automatically sees the digione as a upnp device on the network. Both the laptop and digione are hardwired to a network switch. Because you can increase sound quality adjusting audirvana settings this set up has worked out best for me. I have directly compared my set up to plugging the music drive directly into the digione, either usb stick or external HD, and using Volumio, or moode as the music player software and its hands down better streaming the music file to the digione via audirvana. Also I have found using Volumio as the OS for the digione is the most musical compared to Moode and Dietpi. I also use Baaske filters ( http://baaske-medical.de/en/isolation/ethernet-isolation/?p=1) where the respective network cables enter the switch, the laptop and the digione. You can get them used on ebay for around $50. YMMV. rruffin and quanghuy147 1 1 System: Fedilizer Pro>Pareto Audio Server with both Audiolinux (Roon) and W10 (Audirvana Studio) OS's, currently using W10 (control via remote desktop with laptop)> Original (2015) Sonore Signature Series, BNC/SPDIF > Yggdrasil A2 > Pass Labs XA100 Monoblocks > Triton Reference Speakers (modified) >Tweeked CiscoSG110D-08 LAN Switch. Cabling: Canare LV-77S SPDIF, Kimber KS2026 XLR interconnects, Kimber KS3035 Speaker wires. Link to comment
Bebe Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Hi Boleary3, Very interesting ... would you be so kind to give us some more simple instructions how to use Audirvana with a RPI3 + Digione Signature configuration? Regards Link to comment
Popular Post Boleary3 Posted December 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2019 Its really very easy. As long as the Digione is seen on the network, Audirvana, running on a separate computer also on the network, automatically sees the digione and gives you the option of selecting it as a upnp audio output device. So if you are using Volumio you can check that the digione is on the network by going to www.volumio.local on a browser from any computer on the network and the Volumio GUI should load on that computer's screen. The Audirvana output option for choosing volumio appears on the lower tight hand corner of the Audirvana GUI. You can either select the onboard soundcard of that computer or you can select "Volumio" which is what you would choose. Also, in Audirvana you need to select your external music drive (or NAS) connected to the Audirvana computer to be part of Audirvana's music library. Once you've selected "Volumio" as the output device in Audirvana, when you play a track it is then "streamed" to the digione for playback. Another thing to remember is to select "software volume control" in both Volumio and Audirvana settings if you don't use a pre-amp. That's how mine is set up. I then use the Volumio volume control which changes by tenths of a decibel in Audirvana. Can really dial in "perfect volume" for any track. Be careful with this: if you haven't set up software voluime control and play a track it will play at full volume which is never any fun. I can send screen shots of various settings when I get home from work. Might be easier by email to send the screen shots. Let me know. I also use a comcast wireless extender in my audio room, which is on the 3rd floor. I hard wire a network cable from the extender to a cisco network switch, and also hard wire the Digione and Audirvana computor to that same network switch. Brian quanghuy147 and rruffin 1 1 System: Fedilizer Pro>Pareto Audio Server with both Audiolinux (Roon) and W10 (Audirvana Studio) OS's, currently using W10 (control via remote desktop with laptop)> Original (2015) Sonore Signature Series, BNC/SPDIF > Yggdrasil A2 > Pass Labs XA100 Monoblocks > Triton Reference Speakers (modified) >Tweeked CiscoSG110D-08 LAN Switch. Cabling: Canare LV-77S SPDIF, Kimber KS2026 XLR interconnects, Kimber KS3035 Speaker wires. Link to comment
Bebe Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Hi Brian, As you wrote is very simple, it works and it sounds amazing !!! I appreciate very much your kind help and fast reply. Many, many thanks from Italy Alberto Link to comment
quanghuy147 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/15/2019 at 7:10 AM, Boleary3 said: I found that attaching music directly to the Digione, either memory stick or hard drive, degrades sound quality: more noise and glare. I would think that using wifi would do the same so I have wifi turned off, I believe, in my digione. In my set up, my music hard drive is connected to my "music server" lap top. I use Audirvana player on the server laptop as my music player. Audirvana automatically sees the digione as a upnp device on the network. Both the laptop and digione are hardwired to a network switch. Because you can increase sound quality adjusting audirvana settings this set up has worked out best for me. I have directly compared my set up to plugging the music drive directly into the digione, either usb stick or external HD, and using Volumio, or moode as the music player software and its hands down better streaming the music file to the digione via audirvana. Also I have found using Volumio as the OS for the digione is the most musical compared to Moode and Dietpi. I also use Baaske filters ( http://baaske-medical.de/en/isolation/ethernet-isolation/?p=1) where the respective network cables enter the switch, the laptop and the digione. You can get them used on ebay for around $50. YMMV. Hi Brian, I setup as you instructed: Wifi off, Ethernet ports are in used, music is streamed from Audirvana on laptop USB-connected to a portable music hard drive. Then I tested some of my favorite songs. I sat down and listened for 2 hours straight. I have to agree that the sound quality is much much better, just like I spent at least $1000 to upgrade the amp or the DAC. Everything is clearer and better defined. Much less glare and noise. I don't know this is thanks to the Audirvana or the Wifi off or both. I really appreciate your sharing, this has helped us to save a lot of money ! I have question regarding the Basske filter you mentioned, is it like a noise filter? I understand that we need one for the Digione but I don't understand why we need one between the laptop and the switch (which are already fully of noise). I also see that there is EtherRegen from Uptone Audio. Does it have the same purpose as the Basske filter? Have you tried it? Is it better or not worth the price difference? Thank you. Huy Link to comment
Boleary3 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Glad it has worked for you folks. I have not tried the EtherRegen but it does have the same purpose as the Basske filter. I first tried the Basske on the Digione with good results. I then tried one on the cisco ethernet switch with good results there. I then put one on the line from the switch to the Audirvana/PC, and again had good results. I purchased the Basske filters used on ebay for about $50 each. quanghuy147 1 System: Fedilizer Pro>Pareto Audio Server with both Audiolinux (Roon) and W10 (Audirvana Studio) OS's, currently using W10 (control via remote desktop with laptop)> Original (2015) Sonore Signature Series, BNC/SPDIF > Yggdrasil A2 > Pass Labs XA100 Monoblocks > Triton Reference Speakers (modified) >Tweeked CiscoSG110D-08 LAN Switch. Cabling: Canare LV-77S SPDIF, Kimber KS2026 XLR interconnects, Kimber KS3035 Speaker wires. Link to comment
reelben Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I use on my Allo usb bridge signature also the baaske and one from my nuc with roon rock and to my switch. The first from my switch to Allo that was a great difference. It's amazing what it do 🎶👍 quanghuy147 1 Link to comment
matthias Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Boleary3 said: Another thing to remember is to select "software volume control" in both Volumio and Audirvana settings if you don't use a pre-amp. That's how mine is set up. I then use the Volumio volume control which changes by tenths of a decibel in Audirvana. Can really dial in "perfect volume" for any track. Be careful with this: if you haven't set up software voluime control and play a track it will play at full volume which is never any fun. I can send screen shots of various settings when I get home from work. Might be easier by email to send the screen shots. Let me know. Hi Brian, did you compare SQ of Audirvana volume control vs SQ of Volumio volume control and both software volume controls vs a good analog volume control? Thanks Matt "I want to know why the musicians are on stage, not where". (John Farlowe) Link to comment
Popular Post Boleary3 Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 Matt, in my setup you cannot independently compare Volumio to Audirvana volume control. That's because they become one volume control, meaning if you change the value of one it automatically changes the volume value of the other. Though I don't know for certain which is actually the "master" control, my guess is that that is Audirvana. What I have compared is using Volumio as the playback software vs. Audirvana as the playback software with both of their respective libraries using the external hard drive attached to the Audirvana/laptop. I was able to do this by making the external hard drive a shared device on the network using Windows Explorer. Volumio then sees the external hard drive as a NAS. In this configuration Volumio alone sounds very good but not quite as smooth sounding as Audirvana. I have not tried a good analog control, though I did try a cheap ($50) passive control from Schiit. It was noisy and not as good as software volume. Theoretically a good analog control could be better because using software volume, so I'm told, changes the bits of the track being played so that it is no longer bit perfect. However, that entails another component in the chain and another set of interconnects.I have no idea how those trade offs work out but I'm very satisfied with my current sound. Also the Volumio app works great on my iphone for changing volume and for going to the next track. Audirvana's app works well too but it uses a slider for volume contro;l which I just don't like using. Using the apps means I don't have to use the Audirvana/PC to control volume while listening. Brian rruffin and matthias 2 System: Fedilizer Pro>Pareto Audio Server with both Audiolinux (Roon) and W10 (Audirvana Studio) OS's, currently using W10 (control via remote desktop with laptop)> Original (2015) Sonore Signature Series, BNC/SPDIF > Yggdrasil A2 > Pass Labs XA100 Monoblocks > Triton Reference Speakers (modified) >Tweeked CiscoSG110D-08 LAN Switch. Cabling: Canare LV-77S SPDIF, Kimber KS2026 XLR interconnects, Kimber KS3035 Speaker wires. Link to comment
quanghuy147 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I am having problem getting Audirvana see Volumio as UPNP. When I first installed the software it worked perfectly, however, the next day when I opened Audirvana to play music, I did not recognized Volumio. I restarted computers many times, unplugged ethernet cables. None helps. Finally, I re-installed Audirvana and hit 'Scan Folder' in Library then Volumio appeared. I did not have time to try again but I hope this won't happen again. By the way, I just ordered 2 Blaaske filters on eBay. Do they have to be used in any specific direction or I just need to put it between 2 devices? alecm 1 Link to comment
Boleary3 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I don't think the Basskes are directional but you could try reversing it to see if you hear a difference. Regarding Audirvana not seeing the Digione, the only time I've had issues is when the Digione is not seen on the network and I have to reboot the Digione player. I do remember a time when I had to open Audirvana before opening the Volumio GIU or Audirvana would not see the Digione. This went away when I updated Audirvana. I don't think the "Scan Folder" button makes any difference to the process of the Digione being seen by Audirvana. Hope this helps. Brian quanghuy147 1 System: Fedilizer Pro>Pareto Audio Server with both Audiolinux (Roon) and W10 (Audirvana Studio) OS's, currently using W10 (control via remote desktop with laptop)> Original (2015) Sonore Signature Series, BNC/SPDIF > Yggdrasil A2 > Pass Labs XA100 Monoblocks > Triton Reference Speakers (modified) >Tweeked CiscoSG110D-08 LAN Switch. Cabling: Canare LV-77S SPDIF, Kimber KS2026 XLR interconnects, Kimber KS3035 Speaker wires. Link to comment
nbpf Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/15/2019 at 4:10 PM, Boleary3 said: I found that attaching music directly to the Digione, either memory stick or hard drive, degrades sound quality: more noise and glare. I would think that using wifi would do the same so I have wifi turned off, I believe, in my digione. In my set up, my music hard drive is connected to my "music server" lap top. I use Audirvana player on the server laptop as my music player. Audirvana automatically sees the digione as a upnp device on the network. Both the laptop and digione are hardwired to a network switch. Because you can increase sound quality adjusting audirvana settings this set up has worked out best for me. I have directly compared my set up to plugging the music drive directly into the digione, either usb stick or external HD, and using Volumio, or moode as the music player software and its hands down better streaming the music file to the digione via audirvana. Also I have found using Volumio as the OS for the digione is the most musical compared to Moode and Dietpi. I also use Baaske filters ( http://baaske-medical.de/en/isolation/ethernet-isolation/?p=1) where the respective network cables enter the switch, the laptop and the digione. You can get them used on ebay for around $50. YMMV. I have a 1TB Samsung T5 attached to the RPi 3B+ that hosts my DigiOne Signature. An instance of MinimServer also runs on that RPi. After boot, I can replay from the T5 via the MinimServer running on the RPi. Alternatively, I can turn off MinimServer and the USB bus (and, thus, wired ethernet) and replay from a server (also running MinimServer) via wireless. Or unmount the T5, turn off MinimServer and replay from the same server via wired ethernet. I freely cannot detect significant differences in the sound quality in my system and through my ears. Perhaps the rendition has a little bit more weight (or noise?) when replaying from the attached T5. As a default, I typically turn off MinimServer and the USB bus on the RPi that hosts the DigiOne Signature. This reduces the overall consumption of the RPi + DigiOne Signature to about 300mA which is a very low load for the JS-2 that feeds the RPi side of the DigiOne Signature. Link to comment
zacho Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, nbpf said: I have a 1TB Samsung T5 attached to the RPi 3B+ that hosts my DigiOne Signature. An instance of MinimServer also runs on that RPi. After boot, I can replay from the T5 via the MinimServer running on the RPi. Alternatively, I can turn off MinimServer and the USB bus (and, thus, wired ethernet) and replay from a server (also running MinimServer) via wireless. Or unmount the T5, turn off MinimServer and replay from the same server via wired ethernet. I freely cannot detect significant differences in the sound quality in my system and through my ears. Perhaps the rendition has a little bit more weight (or noise?) when replaying from the attached T5. As a default, I typically turn off MinimServer and the USB bus on the RPi that hosts the DigiOne Signature. This reduces the overall consumption of the RPi + DigiOne Signature to about 300mA which is a very low load for the JS-2 that feeds the RPi side of the DigiOne Signature. Do you think the benefits of lowering power consumption outweighs the detrimental effect of WiFi in an audio system? Or is that an area you haven't yet explored Link to comment
nbpf Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, zacho said: Do you think the benefits of lowering power consumption outweighs the detrimental effect of WiFi in an audio system? Or is that an area you haven't yet explored I haven't explored the idea systematically: as a default, I do not have a wired connection and I stream either form the local T5 or over the wireless. I typically lay down a wired connection only temporarily for testing purposes. But I was surprised to see how much power can be saved by turning off the USB bus and I like to do so to keep the JS-2 just warm. I think the new RPi 4 has separated USB bus and wired ethernet interface. Thus, it should be possible to switch off the USB bus while still keeping a wired ethernet connection alive.This is also something that I have not checked so far. Link to comment
reelben Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/17/2019 at 6:13 PM, quanghuy147 said: I am having problem getting Audirvana see Volumio as UPNP. When I first installed the software it worked perfectly, however, the next day when I opened Audirvana to play music, I did not recognized Volumio. I restarted computers many times, unplugged ethernet cables. None helps. Finally, I re-installed Audirvana and hit 'Scan Folder' in Library then Volumio appeared. I did not have time to try again but I hope this won't happen again. By the way, I just ordered 2 Blaaske filters on eBay. Do they have to be used in any specific direction or I just need to put it between 2 devices? I have AudioQuest cable from my fritzbox to the switch. From the output switch I plugged with the txt to my usbsignature.. between the baaske and bridge I us the AudioQuest coffee for it going in my Allo usb bridge signature. I have first try this with one baaske so... That I thought wow 🎶. This is unbelievable so more musical happiness.. rest, cleaner, depth , more detailed... I can not say it in words 😅 Now I have buy a second baaske to to my switch... 🎻 🎶 quanghuy147 1 Link to comment
quanghuy147 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/15/2019 at 7:10 AM, Boleary3 said: I found that attaching music directly to the Digione, either memory stick or hard drive, degrades sound quality: more noise and glare. I would think that using wifi would do the same so I have wifi turned off, I believe, in my digione. In my set up, my music hard drive is connected to my "music server" lap top. I use Audirvana player on the server laptop as my music player. Audirvana automatically sees the digione as a upnp device on the network. Both the laptop and digione are hardwired to a network switch. Because you can increase sound quality adjusting audirvana settings this set up has worked out best for me. I have directly compared my set up to plugging the music drive directly into the digione, either usb stick or external HD, and using Volumio, or moode as the music player software and its hands down better streaming the music file to the digione via audirvana. Also I have found using Volumio as the OS for the digione is the most musical compared to Moode and Dietpi. I also use Baaske filters ( http://baaske-medical.de/en/isolation/ethernet-isolation/?p=1) where the respective network cables enter the switch, the laptop and the digione. You can get them used on ebay for around $50. YMMV. I confirm that the Baaske filter works perfectly on my system and my friend's system. This is unbelievable, I have just used only 1 Baaske filter and get the immediate improvement. I and my friend recognized only after 10 seconds since the song started playing. How much do you find it is improved when you plugged in the 2nd and the 3rd Baaske filters? Is the improvement as much as the first one between the switch and Digione? Thank you again for sharing the Baaske with us. alecm 1 Link to comment
Boleary3 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I'm only using two. I took the 3rd out of the system last Friday. You can go too far.... Brian quanghuy147 1 System: Fedilizer Pro>Pareto Audio Server with both Audiolinux (Roon) and W10 (Audirvana Studio) OS's, currently using W10 (control via remote desktop with laptop)> Original (2015) Sonore Signature Series, BNC/SPDIF > Yggdrasil A2 > Pass Labs XA100 Monoblocks > Triton Reference Speakers (modified) >Tweeked CiscoSG110D-08 LAN Switch. Cabling: Canare LV-77S SPDIF, Kimber KS2026 XLR interconnects, Kimber KS3035 Speaker wires. Link to comment
quanghuy147 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Is there anyway we can connect Audirnava on laptop straight to Digione Signature (not through a switch)? In this way hopefully we can reduce noise from the switch. Link to comment
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