ray-dude Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 The Lush^2 must be crazy popular! Mine (used) got delivered today, but this guy snagged it off my porch about 10 minutes before we got home Hopefully he knows the what the consensus configuration is Kidding aside, the only thing more frustrating than having it stolen is not being able to hear it! ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
ray-dude Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Yup, but need to file the police report in person. That’s a tomorrow project. TBD if insurance covers this sort of thing, or credit card theft protection. ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
Popular Post ray-dude Posted March 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2019 10 hours ago, PeterSt said: This same partner I told this story to ... ... responded exactly the same as I myself in my mind: shouldn't we send this guy one for free. Yes, we are crazy, but this is known by now, so we can add some to it, right ? So @ray-dude, are you already good with this ? If not, yesterday we shipped one of 100cm to AudioBacon for review. I don't know whether Jay of AudioBacon is a registered user here, but I am sure he will be happy to send it to you instead of returning it to us in Holland when he is finished with it (which should be in 3 weeks or so). Let me know ... Peter Peter that is so amazingly thoughtful of you to offer! I meant what I said about being most sad about not being able to hear the unit. I ordered a new Lush^2 right after the theft happened and it arrived (at my office this time!) yesterday. I've been enjoying it all day today, and looking forward to trying some of the configurations mentioned here. Very very gracious of you to offer, but I would hate for this guy to be impacting you. I have filed a claim with my credit card company for the theft, so I am hopeful it will be covered. Very much looking forward to what Jay has to say about the cable! PeterSt and Jiffi32 2 ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
ray-dude Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 11 hours ago, PeterSt said: A: B-R & W-Y, B: B-R ... Yes, I think this is a keeper. Peter's New New Favorite? Doak 1 ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
ray-dude Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 7 hours ago, lmitche said: Sorry, I looked at the first post and answered this myself. With this in mind I would revise the jssg360 configuration from: JSSG360 = A:.WY1122 B : .WY11 22 To JSSG360 = A:.BW12YR B : .BW12YR So I stand corrected. The latter is what @TheAttorney suggested was the correct Jssg360 configuration. That makes sense to me now. Sorry to take so long to get there. Thanks for your help. @PeterSt You should know I don't smoke cigars. 😁 Larry, when you have shared your listening impressions vs the various other configurations, were you using A:.WY1122 B : .WY1122? (LMSG360 RickyV 1 ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
ray-dude Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, FIndingit said: Next step in this lunacy might be replacing the comb of pins with one made of silver occ wires? I was thinking the cleanest would be dedicated jumpers, or a comb with 3 pins when you need to connect 3 (get rid of the antenna). I'm still unclear on the pin/SQ mechanism (esp. the orientation of the cap on the unused pin) ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
ray-dude Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Peter, I was thinking the same. If you're willing to make some changes, if you have a pin assembly with a 4 pin group, 3 pin group, and 2 pin group (basically add the 3 pin group), you have the use cases covered? ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
Popular Post ray-dude Posted July 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2019 https://youtu.be/PO2oWJ7n-0U Careful! This is what happened to my first Lush^2! austinpop and luisma 1 1 ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
Popular Post ray-dude Posted October 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2019 This was originally discussed in the "Novel" thread, but it seemed more appropriate to post some initial impressions here. Based on some posts by @Bricki and others, a couple weeks ago I added a 4th shield layer to my two Lush^2 cables, and I've been experimenting with various configurations since there. Some belated listening impressions (with thanks to @Bricki for the inspiration). For the below, here is my labeling convention for the various shield configurations: 0 (Lush^2 Black wire - USB ground) 1 (Lush^2 White wire - inner shield) 2 (Lush^2 Yellow wire - middle shield) 3 (Lush^2 Red wire - outer shield) 4 (new wire - added outer shield) Before adding the 4th shield layer, my Lush^2 configuration of choice was JSSG360^3 (A: 1-2-3 B: 1-2-3). Before that I was using JSSG360^2.5 (TANF) (A: 1-2, 3 B: 1-2-3) With standard Lush^2, I preferred the JSSG360^3 configuration: a bit darker and more relaxed, without a loss in detail. I added braided shielding to both my Lush^2 cables, attached a solid core wire at both ends, and then insulted and wrapped the wires. Pro tip: if you use an appropriate gauge solid core wire, it slides nicely into the jumpers on the end, making it easy to experiment with the Lush^2 connection strip. First, starting with the JSSG360x2 (A: 1-2, 3-4 B: 1-2, 3-4). My initial impression of JSSG360x2 was very strong, and I preferred it to JSSG360^3. However, after some extended listening tests, I was finding the extra vividness to to be a bit too much on some more challenging tracks. That was motivation this weekend to step through some additional configurations to see what patterns I could see. Alas, in a fit of unusual efficiency, I had added a 4th shield layer to both my Lush^2 cables at the same time (one from NUC 7i7 to IsoREGEN, and one from ISO Regen to Matrix Audio XSPDIF2, which then connects to my Hugo mScaler by Toslink). This meant I didn't have an easy way to compare the 4 shield configurations with the usual 3 shield Lush^2 configurations (DOH!) Below notes that compare to a standard Lush^2 are from memory, and should be consider a plea to someone with more foresight than me to test a 4 layer config against a standard 3 layer config. JSSG360x2bullseye A: 1-4, 2-3 B: 1-4, 2-3 A JSSG360 pair nested between a JSSG360 pair. This definitely got my attention: Cleaner/darker sound, less high energy, more relaxed presentation. It retained the air and resolution of JSSG360x2, but cleaned up some of the fatigue I was sensing on some more challenging tracks. I preferred it to JSSG360x2. The new top dog. JSSG360x2link A: 1-3, 2-4 B: 1-3, 2-4 Clean, but more high end energy than the bullseye config. Still seemed a bit better than 360x2, but still a bit fatiguing on the more challenging tracks. Bullseye still in the pole position. JSSG360^3+ A: 1-2-3, 4 B: 1-2-3, 4 Same as my original favorite JSSG360^3, but with the 4th shield layer floating above it. Seems brighter than the 360^3 that I remembered, and more fatiguing. Not sure if leaving the 4th layer floating is a wise thing to do. I still prefer bullseye. JSSG360^3.5 A: 1-2-3, 4 B: 1-2-3-4 Cools things down a bit, and takes away some strain, but still brighter than I remember with JSSG360^3 before adding the 4th layer. Still prefer bullseye. JSSG360^4 A: 1-2-3-4 B: 1-2-3-4 Better, but still seems brighter than I remember the JSSG360^3 (and yes, at this point I'm kicking myself for not leaving one Lush^2 cable with the standard 3 layers) Makes me want to go back to Bullseye. So based on above, I went back and reread some of the original JSSG360 posts and discussion. In all the above configs, the USB ground line (Black on the Lush^2) was disconnected, meaning the shield layers were floating from the source and destination. What would happen if I started bringing USB ground back to the party? JSSG360+360^3 A: 0-1, 2-3-4 B: 0-1, 2-3-4 This config connects USB ground from source to destination but leaves the 360^3 layers still floating. Still too much brightness for me. JSSG360x2s A: 0-1-2, 3-4 B: 0-1-2, 3-4 (favorite) So what happens if the inner JSSG360 pair is connected to USB ground on both sides, and the 2nd JSSG360 pair is floating? This is a winner! Great detail, less harshness than 360x2 with the more challenging tracks. This is currently my new favorite. JSSG360x2s1 A: 0-1-2, 3-4 B: 1-2, 3-4 JSSG360x2s1’ A: 1-2, 3-4 B: 0-1-2, 3-4 So what about floating USB ground on one side or the other? Still keeps the great air and detail of the 360x2s, but is a bit harsher on more challenging tracks. JSSG360x2bullseyeS A: 0-1-4, 2-3 B: 0-1-4, 2-3 So how about adding a USB ground connection to bullseye? Would that bring it even with 360x2s? Not quite. Definitely cleaner and with less high end energy than bullseye, but I am finding myself wanting to go back to 360x2s With the initial survey done, time for some extended listening with JSSG360x2s. With that new baseline, I may be tempted remove the 4th shield layer on one of my Lush^2's, and directly compare JSSG360^3 to JSSG360x2s. Empirical listening aside, I'm still trying to get my head wrapped around the field dynamics in play when you have this many shield layers. Given that I still don't have a hypothesis for why JSSG360^3 would be better than JSSG360, the complexity of having a 4th layer makes it even harder to understand why one config sounds different than another. When are layers an antenna and when are they a Faraday cage? In aJSSG360 config, aren't they both at the same time? I need to ponder this some more, with something stronger than sparkling water. TheAttorney, lmitche, tims and 5 others 3 4 1 ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
ray-dude Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Complete madness! Kidding aside, it still blows my mind how different shield configs on the Lush^2 can sound so different, and that has always nagged at me. Above experiments are about me trying to understand how different configs can sound so different, and test some hypotheses. At this point, I would not recommend anyone add a fourth layer, except to experiment. ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
ray-dude Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 hours ago, TheAttorney said: At first, I was unsure about Ray's new notation style of replacing letters with numbers, but I'm warming to it now. It will become more pertinent as we get to 6... 8... 10 shields. I actually prefer the other notation with the stock Lush^2, but it broke down when I added a second black wire for my 4th shield layer Numbering the layers from inside to outside has helped me visualize what the different configurations physically are. For instance, for me having the USB ground layer physically closer to the data signal seems to be better than having it connected to the outside JSSG360 pair. What does that mean? Wish I had a hypothesis other than the ones that I proved wrong with these last series of listening tests ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
ray-dude Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, fas42 said: The proper, long term solution is to make the receiving side of the link far more robust - meaning that the DAC and other analogue areas don't react to this sort of fiddling. This I believe. I have developed a deep distrust of the PHY receiver chipsets out there, because that is the only thing I can think of to blame. ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
ray-dude Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 12:18 AM, ray-dude said: JSSG360x2s A: 0-1-2, 3-4 B: 0-1-2, 3-4 (favorite) So what happens if the inner JSSG360 pair is connected to USB ground on both sides, and the 2nd JSSG360 pair is floating? This is a winner! Great detail, less harshness than 360x2 with the more challenging tracks. This is currently my new favorite. An update on the photo Lush^3 experiment. After 3 weeks with the above config, I removed the extra 4th shield layer and went back to JSGG360^3 (A: 1-2-3 B: 1-2-3). While I loved the space and detail, it was came at the cost of some hyper reality on some recordings that I just couldn't adjust to. When I went back to JSSG360^3 to compare after my ear had completely adjusted to JSSG360x2s, it was like going back to an old friend: less space and detail, but more comfortable and relaxed listening across more recordings. I still have no hypothesis for what is happening with 3 vs 4 layers. Curious to hear what others think after having had the 4th shield layer in their systems Ray ATT Fiber -> EdgeRouter X SFP -> Taiko Audio Extreme -> Vinnie Rossi L2i-SE w/ Level 2 DAC -> Voxativ 9.87 speakers w/ 4D drivers Link to comment
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