The Computer Audiophile Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, udis said: What did you end up deciding on? More to come... Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
semente Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 5/24/2019 at 5:49 PM, RickyV said: Don’t they have enough low extension? I bet they are very accurate. Not judging from the measurements I've seen... One example: https://www.hifinews.com/content/raidho-d-21-loudspeaker-lab-report RickyV 1 "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
RickyV Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, semente said: Not judging from the measurements I've seen... One example: https://www.hifinews.com/content/raidho-d-21-loudspeaker-lab-report Would be interesting to hear them sometime but judging from the graphs I wouldn’t buy them, if I could afford them. Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
Popular Post Sal1950 Posted June 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2019 21 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: 23 hours ago, udis said: What did you end up deciding on? More to come... Spoiler Alert Boss 901"s 🤣 AudioDoctor and The Computer Audiophile 1 1 "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
rando Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Might be interesting which speakers. What is highly of interest is if there are contractual obligations tied to their occupational use by @The Computer Audiophile. Who certainly has never weathered a single comment noticing ad banners or their placement. Link to comment
STC Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I am guessing horn speakers. rando 1 ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
Popular Post TubeLover Posted June 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2019 16 hours ago, STC said: I am guessing horn speakers. "IF" and thats a big if, Chris did go with horns, my money says they will be these, but I don't really think he is a horn guy, and his room may be too small: https://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/en/products/duo-series/duo-xd.html 4est and STC 1 1 Link to comment
RickyV Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 No, I think it's gonna be Wilson audio. The Yvette or Sabrina or maybe the Sasha Daw. Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
4est Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/17/2019 at 11:13 PM, The Computer Audiophile said: More to come... Tease! 😉 Forrest: Win10 i9 9900KS/GTX1060 HQPlayer4>Win10 NAA DSD>Pavel's DSC2.6>Bent Audio TAP> Parasound JC1>"Naked" Quad ESL63/Tannoy PS350B subs<100Hz Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 18 hours ago, TubeLover said: "IF" and thats a big if, Chris did go with horns, my money says they will be these, but I don't really think he is a horn guy, and his room may be too small: https://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/en/products/duo-series/duo-xd.html Nope, I knew early on my recommendation of JBL M2 wouldn't fly. Any kind of horn would have too big a negative effect on his cred's here on this uber-audiophile website. Wouldn't matter if the Angels from heaven themselves delivered them. The Computer Audiophile 1 "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted June 20, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, Sal1950 said: Nope, I knew early on my recommendation of JBL M2 wouldn't fly. Any kind of horn would have too big a negative effect on his cred's here on this uber-audiophile website. Wouldn't matter if the Angels from heaven themselves delivered them. Horns are awesome and I’ve said as much several times. I really wanted M2s but found the complete system requirements too limiting for all my work. It’s a dilemma about which I’m working on an article. I’d love a system like this with external crossover and DSP but it doesn’t enable me to easily review DACs and other components without the output being DSP’d. Sal1950 and barrows 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Jud Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Sal1950 said: Nope, I knew early on my recommendation of JBL M2 wouldn't fly. Any kind of horn would have too big a negative effect on his cred's here on this uber-audiophile website. Wouldn't matter if the Angels from heaven themselves delivered them. There are many horn speakers with big-time audiophile cred (if you were at all serious). I haven't looked at the M2 in particular, but don't know why JBL would be a bad thing. There are several pages I've seen extolling the virtues of the sound of restored "egg crate" models that many people remember fondly. The Computer Audiophile 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
fas42 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 There's nothing wrong with JBL horns, so long as they are at least 60 years old ... , The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Jud said: There are many horn speakers with big-time audiophile cred (if you were at all serious). I haven't looked at the M2 in particular, but don't know why JBL would be a bad thing. There are several pages I've seen extolling the virtues of the sound of restored "egg crate" models that many people remember fondly. I was completely serious and I'd have to disagree with you on the general view of horns within a large part of the audiophile community. The Asian market is very strong but not so much elsewhere. And much of what there is, is paired with the SET crowd, of which I wish no disrespect, but their measurements (and sound) haven't been SOTA since 1935. Ask a large number of audiophiles about horns and you get that same ole "hands cupped over mouth" response and a look of distaste. YMMV 9 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I’d love a system like this with external crossover and DSP but it doesn’t enable me to easily review DACs and other components without the output being DSP’d. I hear what your saying Chris, a very limiting difficult position to be in. "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Jud Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 At audio shows in the States, rooms with horn speakers are typically among the more crowded and popular ones, and I see them well represented in show photos in the mags, too. Yep, I hear you about the SET folks, but then they're not badly thought of by audiophiles, right? 4est 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Kal Rubinson Posted June 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, Jud said: At audio shows in the States, rooms with horn speakers are typically among the more crowded and popular ones,............................ For me, the motivation is to satisfy a perverse curiosity. Always, interesting. Jud and Hugo9000 1 1 Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Kal Rubinson said: For me, the motivation is to satisfy a perverse curiosity. Always, interesting. LOL A good one Kal "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 so I guess he prefers the Pandora speakers Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted June 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Kal Rubinson said: For me, the motivation is to satisfy a perverse curiosity. Always, interesting. But you have experienced professional reviewers like Steve Gutenberg who love horns and will tell you how they are the best, most real, most live sounding method of reproduction. That's one of the things about audio-for every two audiophiles, there are three opinions. Superdad and Sal1950 1 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 That's one of the things about audio - for every two audiophiles, there are three opinions from non-journalists who are just know-nothing blowhards... STC 1 Link to comment
Popular Post barrows Posted June 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Ralf11 said: That's one of the things about audio - for every two audiophiles, there are three opinions from non-journalists who are just know-nothing blowhards... I do not think that is IT. The fact is, all loudspeakers are very compromised. An audiophile is forced to choose which qualities in sound reproduction are most important to them, and (hopefully) they choose their loudspeakers appropriate to their preferences. One who values dynamic expression over other qualities, might choose a horn based speaker. One who values transparency, might alternatively choose a 'stat or planar magnetic, etc. Unfortunately, there is no one speaker technology which solves all the problems of transforming the electrical signal to moving air. audiobomber, Jud, STC and 1 other 1 2 1 SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted June 21, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, barrows said: I do not think that is IT. The fact is, all loudspeakers are very compromised. An audiophile is forced to choose which qualities in sound reproduction are most important to them, and (hopefully) they choose their loudspeakers appropriate to their preferences. One who values dynamic expression over other qualities, might choose a horn based speaker. One who values transparency, might alternatively choose a 'stat or planar magnetic, etc. Unfortunately, there is no one speaker technology which solves all the problems of transforming the electrical signal to moving air. Then there's the room in which they are placed. All bets are off. barrows, STC and Jud 2 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, firedog said: But you have experienced professional reviewers like Steve Gutenberg who love horns and will tell you how they are the best, most real, most live sounding method of reproduction. That's one of the things about audio-for every two audiophiles, there are three opinions. Yep, I ran a pair of Klipsch La Scala's for 32 years with a couple factory upgrades along the way. Never would have given them up if I had the room for them in my retirement home. Sam Tellig agreed with me an ran a RAVE review of them for Stereophile in 2006 http://www.soundhifi.com/klipsch/sam.htm Klipsch Heresy III's were given a luke-warm review by Art Dudly in 2012 https://www.stereophile.com/content/listening-119 And were given a very highly positive follow-up review by Ken Micallef in 2018 https://www.stereophile.com/content/listening-119-ken-micallef-june-2018 The more modern 600m was a huge hit with Herb Reichert in March https://www.stereophile.com/content/klipsch-reference-premiere-rp-600m-loudspeaker So it depends on which reviewer at Stereophile you cast your lot. LOL Jud 1 "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, barrows said: I do not think that is IT. The fact is, all loudspeakers are very compromised. An audiophile is forced to choose which qualities in sound reproduction are most important to them, and (hopefully) they choose their loudspeakers appropriate to their preferences. One who values dynamic expression over other qualities, might choose a horn based speaker. One who values transparency, might alternatively choose a 'stat or planar magnetic, etc. Unfortunately, there is no one speaker technology which solves all the problems of transforming the electrical signal to moving air. of course my objection was to horn evangelism - preferences for the least bad quality should not be passed off as a religion for example, I like Maggies, Quads, etc. things of that ilk - yet I will readily acknowledge Vandersteen, Wilson, and so forth Link to comment
Superdad Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Then there's the room in which they are placed. And some rooms are themselves like horns. 11 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: horn evangelism... That’s a juxtaposition which gives me pause. Who you callin’ honky? UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
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