cmarin Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Chris, Have to second your inclusion of the Rockport Cygnus in your list. Andy produces outstanding speakers. As a well known and well respected speaker set up expert mentioned recently, in terms of high end speakers, the Rockport Lyras are “transformative speakers”. Good luck with your final selection. Link to comment
4est Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 8 hours ago, audiobomber said: Bah! According to Seas, the Excel magnesium cones in my speakers are lighter than an ESL panel. I do not see how this could be true. Have you ever touched or seen the film used in ESLs. That stuff nearly floats! There is a reason why many people compare to ESL speakers, they have some weaknesses, but at one time they had the measurably lowest distortion in the 100-10kHz range IIRC. Regardless, people compare to ESLs because in many facets, they are the ones to beat. blue2 1 Forrest: Win10 i9 9900KS/GTX1060 HQPlayer4>Win10 NAA DSD>Pavel's DSC2.6>Bent Audio TAP> Parasound JC1>"Naked" Quad ESL63/Tannoy PS350B subs<100Hz Link to comment
audiobomber Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, 4est said: I do not see how this could be true. Have you ever touched or seen the film used in ESLs. That stuff nearly floats! There is a reason why many people compare to ESL speakers, they have some weaknesses, but at one time they had the measurably lowest distortion in the 100-10kHz range IIRC. Regardless, people compare to ESLs because in many facets, they are the ones to beat. I can't find the SEAS quote but I didn't make it up. It used to be on their website. I've heard Quad 57's alone and stacked. ESL has strengths and weaknesses, just like every other loudspeaker design. Pick your poison. Main System: QNAP TS-451+ NAS > Silent Angel Bonn N8 > Sonore opticalModule Deluxe v2 > Corning SMF with Finisar FTLF1318P3BTL SFPs > Uptone EtherREGEN > exaSound PlayPoint and e32 Mk-II DAC > Meitner MTR-101 Plus monoblocks > Bamberg S5-MTM sealed standmount speakers. Crown XLi 1500 powering AV123 Rocket UFW10 stereo subwoofers Upgraded power on all switches, renderer and DAC. Link to comment
Jud Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 hours ago, 4est said: That stuff nearly floats! A Focal guy doing a demo at an audio store held the cone of their beryllium tweeter in his hand in front of a few of us and let it drop. It floated gently to the carpet. Impressive. 4est 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
mansr Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Jud said: A Focal guy doing a demo at an audio store held the cone of their beryllium tweeter in his hand in front of a few of us and let it drop. It floated gently to the carpet. Impressive. Not the wisest of actions considering the toxicity of beryllium. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 13 hours ago, audiobomber said: 1. Bah! According to Seas, the Excel magnesium cones in my speakers are lighter than an ESL panel. 2. There's no way to cross over from a main speaker to a sub without a midrange penalty. 1. But you are comparing a single range cone driver to an entire full-range panel (or close to it), so humbug! - maybe CC should have a deatiledness-off blind test - ESLs vs. high-end cones vs. big Maggies... 2. I think so too, and so does Wendell at maggie - yet (like all else with speakers) many will accept the tradeoffs to get something else The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Jud Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 59 minutes ago, mansr said: Not the wisest of actions considering the toxicity of beryllium. I have the impression they manufacture their own drivers (at least that tweeter), so either they're managing to make some form that isn't terribly toxic to carry around and handle, or spare a thought for the workers on the tweeter line. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 it's really the Be dust that is the real problem - one un-named sports car manf. once tried to lighten up the braking system by using Be based rotors ... very bad also, speaker manfs. perhaps did not contemplate the dealer based penchant for tweeter tossing... Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 What subs are people pairing with two channel electrostat systems? rel? JL? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post wgscott Posted March 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: rel? Keep your fire extinguisher handy. (Idiot that I am, I have another one in its place.) Paul R, 4est and The Computer Audiophile 3 Link to comment
4est Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: What subs are people pairing with two channel electrostat systems? rel? JL? Open baffle servo controlled- a stacked pair of kit 5 per channel. http://www.rythmikaudio.com/products.html http://gr-research.com/diysubwooferkits.aspx STC 1 Forrest: Win10 i9 9900KS/GTX1060 HQPlayer4>Win10 NAA DSD>Pavel's DSC2.6>Bent Audio TAP> Parasound JC1>"Naked" Quad ESL63/Tannoy PS350B subs<100Hz Link to comment
RickyV Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Hi @The Computer Audiophile, Seeing your shortlist and there corresponding pieces I was wondering if you ever considered Raidho acoustics, maybe the D-2.1. Should be interesting with there diamond mid’s And woofers. blue2 1 Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
TubeLover Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 8 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: What subs are people pairing with two channel electrostat systems? rel? JL? Chris, most of those I am aware of, with higher end electrostat systems are using JL subs. JC The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Blake Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 3/9/2019 at 5:06 PM, The Computer Audiophile said: I’m really looking forward to Axpona and Munich so I can hear some additional speakers. I like your list of finalists. I am not suggesting you necessarily add them to your list, but I've always been super curious about Boenicke speakers. If you have time in Munich and get a chance to listen to them, please provide a report. The Computer Audiophile 1 Speaker Room: Lumin U1X | Lampizator Pacific 2 | Viva Linea | Constellation Inspiration Stereo 1.0 | FinkTeam Kim | dual Rythmik E15HP subs Office Headphone System: Lumin U1X | Lampizator Golden Gate 3 | Viva Egoista | Abyss AB1266 Phi TC Link to comment
R1200CL Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I’ve read about the Magico S3 lately. It’s seems like a very good candidate. I like when reviews says it’s beats or equal the best electrostatic ones. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 8/23/2018 at 2:20 AM, cjf said: While I'm a bit biased towards the Magico brand and as much as I love mine I don't think I would choose them if I were a full time reviewer unless I took an oath before hand to never review Class D amps with them. IME, its a combo much like Oil and Water. My S3's all but refuse to play well with any of the Class D Amps I have tried with them (All Hypex Flavors). CJF: What Hypex did you try ? NC1200 ? Mola, Mola ? (I have Theta Prometheus). Link to comment
Neal.Audio Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 On 3/10/2019 at 1:17 PM, The Computer Audiophile said: What subs are people pairing with two channel electrostat systems? rel? JL? Many people choose both REL and JL. Mostly because they're unfamiliar with the Vandersteen Sub Threes. REL lacks room correction, and JL's implementation of it digitally perfomed and often doesn't give the best result. The Sub Threes crossover network unloads the mains under 80 hz by 6 db per octave, bringing a clearer signal to the mains and greater output to the mains. The room correction is performed exactly the same as the other high end Vandersteens (Quatros, Sevens, soon to be Fives, manually based on seating position) using a decibel meter. Though the floorstanders use 100Hz crossover while the Sub Threes use 80Hz). It's the best kept secret in all of high end audio imo, and any speakers can benefit. Especially in smaller rooms where bass can quickly become unruly. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that all Vandersteen prices go up April 2nd. Disclosure: Authorized dealer in many product lines, see https://neal.audio Link to comment
Neal.Audio Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 ^ Added: Finishes are limited with other brands, but Vandersteen has a pretty good selection. It's important to note that some of the available finishes aren't shown on the Sub Three product page, so use the Quatro page to see them all. https://www.vandersteen.com/products/vandersteen-sub-three Vandersteen speakers are hand made in America. Even the drivers are made in Minnesota. The picture shows my Harbeth P3ESR's with a Sub Three in black. I'm an AD for both REL and Vandersteen. People always ask what stand that is... it's made by SolidSteel (Italy). Paul R 1 Disclosure: Authorized dealer in many product lines, see https://neal.audio Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted March 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Neal.Audio said: Many people choose both REL and JL. Mostly because they're unfamiliar with the Vandersteen Sub Threes. REL lacks room correction, and JL's implementation of it digitally perfomed and often doesn't give the best result. The Sub Threes crossover network unloads the mains under 80 hz by 6 db per octave, bringing a clearer signal to the mains and greater output to the mains. The room correction is performed exactly the same as the other high end Vandersteens (Quatros, Sevens, soon to be Fives, manually based on seating position) using a decibel meter. Though the floorstanders use 100Hz crossover while the Sub Threes use 80Hz). It's the best kept secret in all of high end audio imo, and any speakers can benefit. Especially in smaller rooms where bass can quickly become unruly. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that all Vandersteen prices go up April 2nd. Are you a dealer? If so, you need to make it clear in your name or posts or displayed sig - that’s the rule here. Also, you shouldn’t be promoting products you sell. Answering questions asked about them is okay; using a question about another product to promote yours isn’t. Jud, The Computer Audiophile and Hugo9000 3 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 @Neal.Audio please put your industry affiliation in your signature line and only post about products you carry when asked about them. We have sponsors here that pay to have their own forum where they discuss anything they want. it would be unethical for me to allow non-paying dealers to do the same. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Neal.Audio Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 ^ Signature added. Sorry! Disclosure: Authorized dealer in many product lines, see https://neal.audio Link to comment
JMD54 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 @Neal.Audio I not sure that meager attempt at an Industry Signature is what they had in mind. Full disclosure of your business name and product line up would be more like. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 the Email sent to new signups should include the disclosure requirement and at least a link to any other rules of deportment CC - take a close look at the swarm sub system (still fails the dipole criterion IIRC) - you are so close to Maggie, why not buy Wendell lunch and write an article about it?? Link to comment
Neal.Audio Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, JMD54 said: @Neal.Audio I not sure that meager attempt at an Industry Signature is what they had in mind. Full disclosure of your business name and product line up would be more like. Meager attempt? Enough with the hostility already. If CA sends me a request then I'll gladly address it. Disclosure: Authorized dealer in many product lines, see https://neal.audio Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted March 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Neal.Audio said: Meager attempt? Enough with the hostility already. If CA sends me a request then I'll gladly address it. you seem to have a good case of audiodealeritis wgscott and Hugo9000 2 Link to comment
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