davide256 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Hopefully the product is stable now, looks like there were some early production design flaws now fixed. Just ordered one as I really need a better PS option for the NUC 8i3 I'm using as AL/Roonserver Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
wanta911 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Wow! I haven't been to this thread for ages and missed the issues with some of the original supply. After reading through the thread I have checked my unit from the original batch and can confirm that: It has Elna capacitors The earth wire is connected as it should be Should I be worried about the rectifier issue, is it an inherent problem that needs fixing? My unit doesn't have much of a load, I am only using the 12V outlet and one of the adjustable outlets for a total of maybe 60 to 70 watts. I never use the 19V and occasionally use the 2nd adjustable outlet. So far it has performed without issue using Ghent DC cables and is on 24/7 but I would have been p***** if I had discovered that I didn't get the specified parts. Link to comment
maty Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Well... Review and Measurements of the HDPlex 200W Supply https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-the-hdplex-200w-supply.7713/ Link to comment
PeterSt Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Some people in here think that Amir doesn't know what to use his toys for (I am among them). These are not the people who don't hear a difference in anything whatsoever (like Amir himself and unlike me). As long as every difference is rejected with a "but you won't hear that anyway", then stop posting this BS. Or give it to archimago etc. Or flush the toilet harder, if you know what I mean ... Superdad 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
maty Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 He knows how to measure. And when he has had a mistake he has rectified. It is also true that not everything in audio is measurable or measured. But these graphs are devastating. Anonymity in the net can not justify bad education. Link to comment
maty Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 By the way, the net will be full of measurements soon because it is no longer necessary to have a very expensive measurement equipment to have some excellent measurements. Howto - Distortion Measurements with REW https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/338511-howto-distortion-measurements-rew.html PS: you need to be registered to see the pictures. Link to comment
Popular Post PeterSt Posted June 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, maty said: He knows how to measure. He does not know what to measure and he does not know how to interpret the results. So he also does not know how to measure. He also does not know how to be objective with it. Lastly, he is suggestive on what will be audible and what not. All together it is thus BS. Sorry. lmitche and Superdad 1 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
maty Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Many do not need to be told how to interpret the graphics.If you think is necessary to measure other parameters you just have to indicate it and we asked him. Link to comment
PeterSt Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Sweet dreams. Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
Chopin75 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 People don't realize there is a limitation on measuring devices that is often far inferior to human ear which is a far superior measuring instruments so to speak. This explains why one an hear the sonic difference between Steinway and Bosendorfer and Yamaha but but I bet one cannot really measure it electronically to tell the difference. Ok, we are talking about measuring noise now but surely the human ear can hear subtle changes as a result of electronic noise. So it is possible the noise difference between different PSU are so low that measuring instruments are not really detecting it but they are large enough to affect the sound. marce 1 Link to comment
Popular Post rickca Posted June 3, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2019 14 hours ago, wanta911 said: Should I be worried about the rectifier issue, is it an inherent problem that needs fixing? I think that those of us whose rectifier went up in smoke were using the 19V rail of the 200W LPS to power a 400W DC-ATX. The DC-ATX in turn was powering the 24-pin and 8-pin EPS12V of a motherboard populated with a 91W TDP i7-6700K. Clearly, this is too much to demand of the 200W LPS unless BIOS tuning is used to reduce power requirements. If anyone fried their rectifier in a configuration without the 400W DC-ATX, please post here. davide256 and wanta911 1 1 Pareto Audio AMD 7700 Server --> Berkeley Alpha USB --> Jeff Rowland Aeris --> Jeff Rowland 625 S2 --> Focal Utopia 3 Diablos with 2 x Focal Electra SW 1000 BE subs i7-6700K/Windows 10 --> EVGA Nu Audio Card --> Focal CMS50's Link to comment
davide256 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 7 hours ago, maty said: I predict a long life of unsatisfying midfi purchases for you....you need to "drive the car" not look at specs. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
maty Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Well, with my second audio system I ENJOY very much with very good recordings with high/very high DR. Vast majory, vinyls. Can you say the same? Yesterday: https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-post5810518.html Bernard Haitink, Concertgebouw Orchestra - Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 5 / Adagio (Symphony No. 10) (1971), Vinyl x2, Philips, NetherlandsGustav Mahler - Concertgebouworkest Conducted By Bernard Haitink - Symphony No. 5 / Adagio (Symphony No. 10) (Vinyl, LP) | Discogs DR Peak RMS Filename ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR15 -0.86 dB -21.43 dB A1 Sinfonie Nr. 5 Cis-Moll - 1. Trauermarsch (In Gemessenem Schritt. Streng. Wie Ein Kondukt - Ploetzlich Schneller. Leidenschaftlich. Wild - Tempo I) DR14 -0.28 dB -18.94 dB A2 Sinfonie Nr. 5 Cis-Moll - 2. Stuermisch Bewegt. Mit Groesster Vehemenz - Bedeutend Langsamer - Tempo I Subito DR14 -1.78 dB -21.69 dB B Sinfonie Nr. 5 Cis-Moll - 3. Scherzo (Kraeftig, Nicht Zu Schnell) DR13 -8.55 dB -28.44 dB C1 Sinfonie Nr. 5 Cis-Moll - 4. Adagietto (Sehr Langsam) DR14 -0.39 dB -19.76 dB C2 Sinfonie Nr. 5 Cis-Moll - 5. Rondo-Finale (Allegro)DR15 -0.41 dB -21.23 dB D Sinfonie Nr. 10 Fis-Dur (Unvollendet) - Andante - Adagio ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of files: 6 Official DR value: DR14 CD, 2018Mahler: Symphony No. 5 by Bernard Haitink and Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra on Amazon Music - Amazon.comBernard Haitink - WikipediaRoyal Concertgebouworchestra, Amsterdam – RCORoyal Concertgebouw Orchestra - Wikipedia daverich4 1 Link to comment
FredericV Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 On 6/3/2019 at 9:42 AM, PeterSt said: Some people in here think that Amir doesn't know what to use his toys for (I am among them). These are not the people who don't hear a difference in anything whatsoever (like Amir himself and unlike me). As long as every difference is rejected with a "but you won't hear that anyway", then stop posting this BS. Or give it to archimago etc. Or flush the toilet harder, if you know what I mean ... I respect the guy, he was the one responsible for introducing room correction into windows vista, and it's bass mgt & home theater features. He knows what he's doing. Those threads were on avsforum where we even discussed how to hack the registry so that certain cards could run these features. HD plex are not true linear power supplies, and they use a shared transformer for several rails which is not the most ideal design choice. Furtthermore, wasn't there a DC - DC converter inside the latest PSU? So I'm not surprised what he measured. Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
PeterSt Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 11 hours ago, FredericV said: So I'm not surprised what he measured. Ehm, which is nothing. 11 hours ago, FredericV said: Those threads were on avsforum Yes. And if you really followed those (especially the one about Audio Processing in Vista explained) then you know we don't like each other. Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
FredericV Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 14 hours ago, PeterSt said: Yes. And if you really followed those (especially the one about Audio Processing in Vista explained) then you know we don't like each other. I really did, how else could I come up with this ? Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\MMDevices\Audio\Render\{3956a86f-4b80-4013-be4d-879a4365a166}\FxProperties] "{d04e05a6-594b-4fb6-a80d-01af5eed7d1d},0"="{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}" "{d04e05a6-594b-4fb6-a80d-01af5eed7d1d},4"="Auzen X-Meridian 7.1" "{d04e05a6-594b-4fb6-a80d-01af5eed7d1d},9"="SpeakerHp" "{d04e05a6-594b-4fb6-a80d-01af5eed7d1d},1"="{62DC1A93-AE24-464C-A43E-452F824C4250}" "{d04e05a6-594b-4fb6-a80d-01af5eed7d1d},2"="{637C490D-EEE3-4C0A-973F-371958802DA2}" "{d04e05a6-594b-4fb6-a80d-01af5eed7d1d},3"="{5860E1C5-F95C-4a7a-8EC8-8AEF24F379A1}" "{1da5d803-d492-4edd-8c23-e0c0ffee7f0e},5"=dword:00000000 "{1864a4e0-efc1-45e6-a675-5786cbf3b9f0},4"=hex:03,00,63,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,\ 00,00 "{61e8acb9-f04f-4f40-a65f-8f49fab3ba10},4"=hex:03,00,63,00,50,00,00,00,50,00,\ 00,00 "{1b5c2483-0839-4523-ba87-95f89d27bd8c},3"=hex:03,00,63,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,\ 00,00 "{73ae880e-8258-4e57-b85f-7daa6b7d5ef0},3"=hex:03,00,63,00,01,00,00,00,01,00,\ 00,00 "{01fb17e3-796c-4451-8163-68cdc1321a60},3"=hex:0b,00,63,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,\ 00,00 "{f311cdc7-f45f-4eb7-a864-9dc1aeeb7e6d},3"=hex:41,00,00,00,00,00,00,00 "{5b64fcb1-8c32-4844-9dcb-15a45df000fc},3"=hex:0b,00,63,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,\ 00,00 "{fc52a749-4be9-4510-896e-966ba6525980},3"=hex:0b,00,63,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,\ 00,00 "{9c00eeed-edce-4cd8-ae08-cb05e8ef57a0},3"=hex:03,00,63,00,04,00,00,00,04,00,\ 00,00 "{1b5c2483-0839-4523-ba87-95f89d27bd8c},1599"=hex:03,00,63,00,00,00,00,00,00,\ 00,00,00 "{73ae880e-8258-4e57-b85f-7daa6b7d5ef0},1599"=hex:03,00,63,00,01,00,00,00,01,\ 00,00,00 "{fc52a749-4be9-4510-896e-966ba6525980},1599"=hex:0b,00,63,00,00,00,00,00,00,\ 00,00,00 "{9c00eeed-edce-4cd8-ae08-cb05e8ef57a0},1599"=hex:03,00,63,00,04,00,00,00,04,\ 00,00,00 "{1864a4e0-efc1-45e6-a675-5786cbf3b9f0},1599"=hex:03,00,63,00,01,00,00,00,01,\ 00,00,00 "{61e8acb9-f04f-4f40-a65f-8f49fab3ba10},1599"=hex:03,00,63,00,50,00,00,00,50,\ 00,00,00 "{b1103003-c191-4275-9fa0-8c282c724bce},1599"=hex:0b,00,63,00,00,00,00,00,00,\ 00,00,00 "{c816a1a7-a119-48a5-9ad2-85451f4b5a2e},1599"=hex:0b,00,63,00,ff,ff,00,00,ff,\ ff,00,00 "{01fb17e3-796c-4451-8163-68cdc1321a60},1599"=hex:0b,00,63,00,00,00,00,00,00,\ 00,00,00 "{f311cdc7-f45f-4eb7-a864-9dc1aeeb7e6d},1599"=hex:41,00,00,00,00,00,00,00 "{5b64fcb1-8c32-4844-9dcb-15a45df000fc},1599"=hex:0b,00,63,00,00,00,00,00,00,\ 00,00,00 Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
Chopin75 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 On 6/5/2019 at 5:11 PM, FredericV said: I respect the guy, he was the one responsible for introducing room correction into windows vista, and it's bass mgt & home theater features. He knows what he's doing. Those threads were on avsforum where we even discussed how to hack the registry so that certain cards could run these features. HD plex are not true linear power supplies, and they use a shared transformer for several rails which is not the most ideal design choice. Furtthermore, wasn't there a DC - DC converter inside the latest PSU? So I'm not surprised what he measured. Agree that HDplex is not the ideal LPS, and really is for budget user for a cheap solution. It is supposed to work well with this converter that is placed within the HDPLEX PC: https://www.hdplex.com/hdplex-400w-hi-fi-dc-atx-power-supply-16v-24v-wide-range-voltage-input.html Not sure what this DC-ATX converter is ?? Link to comment
PeterSt Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chopin75 said: Not sure what this DC-ATX converter is ?? That is for powering an ATX (PSU) based computer, which is all with a normal power inlet (not 19V etc.). So remove the PSU and put that instead, together with (e.g.) the HDPlex 200W. But then it is a ~ 200W PSU only (and not 400W). Chopin75 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
rickca Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, Chopin75 said: Not sure what this DC-ATX converter is ? The DC-ATX is powered by the 19V rail of a supply like the 200W LPS and in turn powers the 24-pin and 8-pin EPS12V connectors on a motherboard. It's an alternative to using a linear ATX supply. Pareto Audio AMD 7700 Server --> Berkeley Alpha USB --> Jeff Rowland Aeris --> Jeff Rowland 625 S2 --> Focal Utopia 3 Diablos with 2 x Focal Electra SW 1000 BE subs i7-6700K/Windows 10 --> EVGA Nu Audio Card --> Focal CMS50's Link to comment
PeterSt Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, rickca said: It's an alternative to using a linear ATX supply. Rick - Although semantically and technically true, this could be confusing. I would rather say : it is an alternative to using a switching ATX supply. Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 hours ago, FredericV said: "{d04e05a6-594b-4fb6-a80d-01af5eed7d1d},4"="Auzen X-Meridian 7.1" I see that you were practicing with MQA already back then. lucretius 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
juanitox Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 i have built my own power supply with a simple ( but BIG !) CLC supply for the 19V feeding the DC-ATX , i'm not sure if it mesure better than the stock switching one but it sounds way better.. 🙂 PC audio /Roon + HQPLAYER / HOLO Spring 2 / / DIY AD1 SET tube amp / DIY Altec 2 way horn Speaker Link to comment
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