Fitz Music Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Umm...What's the relationship between Qobuz and Amazon Web Services? rn701 1 Qobuz via Aurender N10 > Devialet Expert Pro > Audio Physic Avantera Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fitz Music said: Umm...What's the relationship between Qobuz and Amazon Web Services? Good question. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
greyscale Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Back online !!!!!. Da Horsey 1 greyscale Marantz 6007, PSB Image B6 & B5, Synology 216+, 2010 Macbook Pro Audirvana 3.03, JRiver. Link to comment
gdpr Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Good question. Sorry, but this is one of the most stupid questions I have read on this forum. Look at the Gartner Quadrant and you know why. And if you do not know about the Gartner Quadrant, than please catch up before you ask IT-related questions. Dirk Link to comment
ehoz Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 is Qobuz welcoming Amazon Music 😂 Flaky as hell this morning Link to comment
Da Horsey Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Back online here. Eastern Time. Servers need time to propagate. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted September 20, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, ddetaey said: Sorry, but this is one of the most stupid questions I have read on this forum. Look at the Gartner Quadrant and you know why. And if you do not know about the Gartner Quadrant, than please catch up before you ask IT-related questions. Dirk Your tone of superiority knows no bounds. When I was a working stiff I was very familiar with the Gartner Quadrant. I recently used it in an Auralic review. Back to the dumbest question ever, who hosts Qobuz infrastructure? How do you know? What does Gartner have to do with it? gdpr and Da Horsey 1 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
gdpr Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I don't know whose infrastructure Qobuz is using. But the question definitely suggested that Amazon was responsible for the downtime of Qobuz. But Amazon would not have grown so succesfull, by far number 1 worldwide in providing webservices and cloud/server infrastructure, if they did not offer a more than excellent service. Recognized by Gartner year in, year out as the market leader and visonair in this market. And it is very well possible that a server(cloud) goes down, even at AWS, but there are contracts with uptime and service restore requirements. Amazon would not be so succesfull with million of small and big companies in the world, if they did not honour these contracts. And again, I do not know if Qobuz makes use of AWS or not. Dirk Link to comment
Fitz Music Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I must remember not to ask questions the answer to which I do not know. Mea culpa and hallelujah to to mega corporations! Qobuz via Aurender N10 > Devialet Expert Pro > Audio Physic Avantera Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, ddetaey said: I don't know whose infrastructure Qobuz is using. But the question definitely suggested that Amazon was responsible for the downtime of Qobuz. But Amazon would not have grown so succesfull, by far number 1 worldwide in providing webservices and cloud/server infrastructure, if they did not offer a more than excellent service. Recognized by Gartner year in, year out as the market leader and visonair in this market. And it is very well possible that a server(cloud) goes down, even at AWS, but there are contracts with uptime and service restore requirements. Amazon would not be so succesfull with million of small and big companies in the world, if they did not honour these contracts. And again, I do not know if Qobuz makes use of AWS or not. Dirk So the question about Qobuz and AWS is very pertinent and a good one. People are curious. No clue why you brought in Gartner, SLAs, etc... and called it dumb. Plus, you don’t even have the answer to the dumbest question ever. Hmmmm. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post NYCEnglish Posted September 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2019 The question seemed to be a jest to me, at least that's how I took it. For the record my firm is a large AWS user and they DO have outages. No tech is perfect no matter what Gartner quadrant they are in. Anyone with any meaningful real-life IT infrastructure experience would know this. The Computer Audiophile, phosphorein and Hugo9000 3 Link to comment
gdpr Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 If David Ceaff is informing eveybody that the Qobuz servers are down, and the first question starts with Uhmm.... What is the relationship between Qobuz and Amazon, this question is not really about whose infrastructure Qobuz is using. And for the answer on the dumbest question, as you have good and personal relationship with David Craff, why don't you ask him. And if I am still the stupiest asshole, well be my guest. Dirk Da Horsey and phosphorein 1 1 Link to comment
Hugo9000 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 It's not necessarily anything nefarious on the part of Amazon even if the Qobuz outage were related. It could be a failure from the additional taxing of the overall AWS system from interest in Amazon's new HD Music service. That said, I took the question to be in jest as well, FWIW. 请教别人一次是5分钟的傻子,从不请教别人是一辈子的傻子 Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted September 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2019 Someone had his cheerios peed in today... Musicophile, Miska, The Computer Audiophile and 1 other 4 No electron left behind. Link to comment
shadowlight Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 The last time I had checked Qobuz content was delivered via AWS infrastructure. I will check tonight when I am in a computer. And Amazon occasionally does have outages. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
shadowlight Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 12:32 PM, shadowlight said: The last time I had checked Qobuz content was delivered via AWS infrastructure. I will check tonight when I am in a computer. And Amazon occasionally does have outages. At least for me all the connections are hosted on AWS infrastructure. The URL's in question that are used when using web browser are: play.qobuz.com open.qobuz.com streaming[#].qobuz.com The first two are basically the central servers where authentication is occurring and your profile information seem to be hosted. You can use www.viewdns.info website to find the geo location of the ip addresses and the first two are located in Ireland. The streaming[#].qobuz.com is where the streaming content is hosted. ViewDNS for that url gives you location as Seattle but that is not accurate (most likely they are giving you Amazon's HQ location, since the IP addresses are being used are part of AWS Cloudfront content delivery infrastructure) and based on the URL DNS lookup it seems to be around NYC based on JFK (streaming1 one is somewhere in NJ based on EWR airport name in the DNS lookup). The ping time to streaming URL are around 8ms for me which seems to indicate hosts around NYC area, since I am located in Princeton, NJ area. nslookup play.qobuz.com Name: play.qobuz.com Address 1: 54.229.239.55 ec2-54-229-239-55.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com Address 2: 18.200.231.166 ec2-18-200-231-166.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com nslookup open.qobuz.com Name: open.qobuz.com Address 1: 54.229.239.55 ec2-54-229-239-55.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com Address 2: 18.200.231.166 ec2-18-200-231-166.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com nslookup streaming2.qobuz.com Name: streaming2.qobuz.com Address 1: 13.225.224.99 server-13-225-224-99.jfk51.r.cloudfront.net Address 2: 13.225.224.115 server-13-225-224-115.jfk51.r.cloudfront.net Address 3: 13.225.224.129 server-13-225-224-129.jfk51.r.cloudfront.net Address 4: 13.225.224.72 server-13-225-224-72.jfk51.r.cloudfront.net If Qobuz has issues the most likely culprit is going to be play.qobuz.com URL and the infrastructure around it. Hopefully, as Qobuz presence grows further in America's they will start replicating the play/open.qobuz.com infrastructure in the America's region. Link to comment
Meshplate Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Hello there, I have a persistent Qobuz issue that goes across platforms, whether using their app, the web streamer or an app native to my streamer. It is this: on some albums, certain titles become limited to 30 second long samples and no matter what I clear or reset including the "clear cache" buttons, they remain unplayable. Attached is screen shot. The problematic tracks go into a feint gray whereas the working tracks are in normal black type. Very annoying. No idea why it happens nor how to fix it. Suggestions welcome. Thanks! Link to comment
left channel Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Meshplate said: Hello there, I have a persistent Qobuz issue that goes across platforms, whether using their app, the web streamer or an app native to my streamer. It is this: on some albums, certain titles become limited to 30 second long samples and no matter what I clear or reset including the "clear cache" buttons, they remain unplayable. Attached is screen shot. The problematic tracks go into a feint gray whereas the working tracks are in normal black type. Very annoying. No idea why it happens nor how to fix it. Suggestions welcome. Thanks! I've seen that on other services as well. It means the label has not licensed Qobuz to stream those tracks. They may be available for downloading, in which case those 30-second tracks are there only as samples. As Tidal sells few downloads, on that service tracks are often just greyed out and not even playable for 30 seconds, but perhaps Qobuz does sell those. Cebolla 1 Everyone wants to date my avatar. Link to comment
Meshplate Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Thank you for your response, Left Channel. However, I don't think that is the explanation because it happens on tracks that I have already played that then go "bad." In addition to these tracks above, it happened to an album that I had played many times and then it went into this 30 second sample mode, Roxy Music - Avalon. Difficult to see why this famous album out of all other Roxy Music albums would not be licensed. Link to comment
JMD54 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Left Channel is correct, if an individual track or even an entire album is "grayed out" then the streaming rights have been pulled by the label, publisher or artist for some reason or the streaming rights contract has run out and not renewed. This has become a common occurrence on Tidal in the past few months. What was true in the past is not relevant. left channel 1 Link to comment
left channel Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 @Meshplate what album is that? We'll look and confirm for you. Everyone wants to date my avatar. Link to comment
David Craff Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 12 hours ago, Meshplate said: Thank you for your response, Left Channel. However, I don't think that is the explanation because it happens on tracks that I have already played that then go "bad." In addition to these tracks above, it happened to an album that I had played many times and then it went into this 30 second sample mode, Roxy Music - Avalon. Difficult to see why this famous album out of all other Roxy Music albums would not be licensed. Hi, Listening rights can change at any time. A release can move from one label to another and we may not have the rights with it. The same label can decide at any time to stop the distribution rights of a release or track. Cebolla 1 Qobuz Product Manager for Desktop, Web Player and Search Engine. Link to comment
jacobacci Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I am seeing some strange behaviour re. reproduction of some MQA tracks, specifically the two versions of Christian Eggen, Carl Nielsen Piano Music. There are two versions on Qobuz both are marked as "CD", one costs 9.99€ the other 13€ Neither is marked as MQA. Not in the Qobuz app, not in the Roon interface Streamed to dCS Rossini from Roon, they both show the MQA logo and expand to 24/44.1. However the Roon signal path shows MQA authenticated 16/44.1 Played to a Hifiberry Digi+, Roon Signal path also shows MQA authenticated 16/44.1, however they get expanded to 24/88.2 Playing the same file from Tidal via Roon Streamed to dCS Rossini from Roon, the Roon signal path shows MQA authenticated 24/44.1. Rossini also shows MQA 24/44.1 Played to a Hifiberry Digi+, Roon Signal path also shows MQA authenticated 24/44.1, however they get expanded to 24/88.2 Something seems strange here. Either Qobuz is using a different stream than Tidal, or the Roon signal path information is wrong. At any rate the MQA authentication thing does not seem to be working consistently here. Can someone at Roon and / or at Qobuz shed some light on this? BTW, I have not been able to locate an "original" of this album on 2L. It seems to be available uniquely through Todal and Qobuz. Link to comment
Popular Post left channel Posted September 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2019 @jacobacci that likely was provided by 2L to Qobuz without informing them that it is the 2015 MQA remaster: http://www.2l.no/pages/album/120.html The Qobuz infrastructure is not able to stream an MQA CD album consistently at this time. That album would probably be yet another such release that drives my Pro-Ject S2D nuts via the Qobuz app, while showing up on the same DAC at a different and strange but more consistent unfolded resolution via LMS. After we informed Qobuz that the new 2L release of the Radka Toneff album Fairytales was causing problems like that, they removed it from their catalog. For best results, I recommend you listen to 2L MQA albums only via Tidal or Tidal/Roon, at least until we see what's in the next big Qobuz app update. Mark Dirac and phosphorein 2 Everyone wants to date my avatar. Link to comment
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