Official Qobuz Issues Thread

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Qobuz page https://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/page/labs shows a link to the (now removed) API page. Sending an email to [email protected] generates an auto replay with the following text:

 

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Thank you for requesting a private API key. Please describe your project as detailed as possible for us to come back to you as fast as possible.

The Qobuz API team

 

I really hope this is temporarily. Does not look good at all.

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Is there a way to subscribe to a playlist via the web interface?

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23 minutes ago, dmackta said:

Nope all the volume leveling info for our catalog should be delivered to Roon by beginning of next month. And all new releases going forward have it. 

 

Can you please elaborate on this? Are you referring to ReplayGain? Is this data available when using Qobuz via the web / API or this is something that is sent to Roon as an out side process?

 

Thanks!

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Can someone post a link to a multi channel album on Qobuz?

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Try a different app like MConnect to see if this is an isolated issue.

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Not sure to all the functions as I use BubbleUPnP on Android. But at least this tells you the issue is within the way Kazoo interacts with the microRendu. Worth asking Jusus what OpenHome application they use inside their hardware.

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@brother love

 

Can you actually set the sampling rate from the menu when using Chrome like in the following image?

 

 

 

 

Also, do you use ALSA or PulseAudio?

 

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48 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

You guys are lucky you do t have to get UPnP to work with other hardware. 

 

The issue is not with the UPnP / DLNA protocol per se but with the implementation. Most high end audio manufactures do not have software developers in-house to deal with mobile, desktop and web based development. Take for example company X. They make excellent power amps and pre amps but have never developed a streamer or even an app but now, due to market demand, they want to offer a streamer. They can invest money into the project, hire software developers, R&D people, etc... this is very costly and time consuming. Or they can they outsource to a third party that has built a low powered module with code base from 15 years ago. It support DLNA but only some of the features. It may have been developed prior to DLNA spec-ing gapless playback (Just an example) but it is cheap and allows faster time to market for the new product. So company X goes with the second option. The product goes under review and the reviewer, who does not know what gapless playback is or have never read the DLNA specs give it a great feedback. Months down the road, a user will complain on this forum that some features are missing but company X does not have a clue what is he taking about.

 

This scenario is very common. I have seen it with companies that sell streamers for more than $10k only to find out that the network module is a 20 dollars card with crippled functionality.

 

The DLNA “Alliance” dissolved years ago having left the licensing to a 3rd party who use this as a money grab so companies can have the DLNA logo in their products.

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2 minutes ago, vortecjr said:

I disagree that X company does not have a clue

You'd be surprised...

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@brother love Why don't you add OpenHome capability to your Atom computer and then use a phone / tablet to access Qobuz? no need for fancy hardware and the various apps work just fine.

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BubbleUPnP has a cool feature that allows you to hide albums that only offer snippets and are not really stream-able. 

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12 minutes ago, Martin H said:

I know it was in beta before but development was halted due to Qobuz concerns protecting the files etc. 

 

What is that got to do with UPnP? What do you mean by "protecting the files"?

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5 hours ago, David Craff said:

Securing the audio stream

 

In what way? It takes 10 seconds to route Qobuz audio from the browser to any interface. 

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Removing UPnP will obviously NOT add to the security of the streams. I really hope this is a BS marketing answer rather than technical perceptive.

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BubbleUPnP allows you to sort by artist and it works very well.

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BubbleUPnP allows you to stream gapless and it works very well :-)

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5 minutes ago, JKleinbart said:

And requires a dedicated PC or Mac to run as a media server, correct?  I'm looking to streamline my system, not add more gear.  But I appreciate the recommendation!

 

You do not need a PC / Mac. Just a phone or tablet. That's all.

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1 hour ago, Mark Dirac said:

*If I add my Qobuz credentials to BubbleuPnP on the tablet, it works. If instead I add my Qobuz credentials to Moode on the Rpi streamer, it doesn't work. Any explanation for this please anyone?

Moode uses the old API and probably a revoked API key to connect to Qobuz.

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31 minutes ago, BrownMagic said:

Unfortunately none of them cut it for me. I currently use Google Cast to beam Qobuz to my Primare NP5 streamer. It’s buggy to say the least. I will be moving to Spotify HD if Qobuz don’t have a connect version of their own. 

 

It looks like the NP5 supports DLNA so you can use various apps to stream Qobuz without the need to cast or Roon.

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3 hours ago, dmackta said:

Qobuz missing catalog reporting form: https://airtable.com/shrWFlthbAGjTSuJu

 

@dmackta I see Canada is listed as one of the countries. Is Qobuz coming to Canada anytime soon?

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10 hours ago, loop7 said:

Has the Android Qobuz app been crashing after the update today for anyone else?

 

I've uninstalled/reinstalled and it's still crashing.

 

 

Works fine on Pixel 2.

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5 hours ago, David Craff said:

 

Hi,

 

Selecting and streaming to an External DLNA is not possible for Qobuz because of the obligation to secure the audio stream imposed by the majors. So we are working on the feature Qobuz Connect to directly manage the audio device.

 

Regards

David,

Why do you think using a "connect" feature will "secure" the audio stream? Any network stream, be it DLNA, HTTP, etc... can be easily captured. The "connect" feature we currently see with Spotify and Tidal is just about controlling the ecosystem and I hope that down the road, access to the Qobuz API will still be available to 3rd party applications. The more I think about it, the less I love this "connect" feature which adds no value, requires vendors to implement yet another protocol and will eventually keep users locked out of their music.

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10 minutes ago, hopkins said:

This is currently impossible with Qobuz

I do this easily in Linux Mint desktop. Requires some wizardry but it works. Perhaps there is a way to capture the streams and route them to a DLNA endpoint in Mac / Windows but I am not sure. Asking hardware vendors to implement another protocol may seem trivial to companies like Lumin or Auralic but most of the hardware vendors out there buy their streaming technologies from 3rd parties. If you have some time take a look at this - https://github.com/masmu/pulseaudio-dlna

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15 minutes ago, hopkins said:

You do this "easily" but it requires wizardy - exactly the problem. No wizardy required with Spotify Connect. 

It takes 5 minutes to get this up and running. How long do you think it will take a company (Let's say Hegel...) to implement "Connect"? 

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17 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Likely end to end encryption. 

Still, audio needs to be routed to the soundcard / interface which can be easily rerouted. Encrypting the audio stream is pointless unless you encrypt the entire payload which will require proprietary technologies to be implemented. Again, this will fall on the shoulders of the vendors and the user will pay big for this. scaMQA anyone?