Jeff Dorgay & TONEAudio Declare War on CA

[crenca]

11 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

I have to say that, until Chris started this thread, I had completely forgotten about the existence of the ToneAudio website.

 

I will now make an effort to return to this state of mind.

 

That's what I have been trying to do since the last Star Wars movie....?

[rickca]

1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I have to say I’m out. I can’t, in good conscience, send traffic (in essence give free advertising) to Jeff and Tone Audio.

I'd never even heard of Tone Audio before this incident.  Now I'll be sure never to visit the site.

[asdf1000]

So both Tone's site and phototristan's youtube channel may have less traffic now.

 

How they thought this was a good idea is bizzare, instead of choosing win-win, as Chris said.

[Allan F]

47 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

That's what I have been trying to do since the last Star Wars movie....?

 

Oh, is that when this thread started?

[Rt66indierock]

57 minutes ago, Em2016 said:

So both Tone's site and phototristan's youtube channel may have less traffic now.

 

How they thought this was a good idea is bizzare, instead of choosing win-win, as Chris said.

 

That seems to be how high end audio works at least in the United States. Do what you have to to drive traffic away from your site. With a little work I think Tone Audio can get themselves back under 100,000 views a month. As for Tristan I will take a better picture of Multnomah Falls than he did just because I can next week. 

[sandyk]

21 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

That seems to be how high end audio works at least in the United States. Do what you have to to drive traffic away from your site. With a little work I think Tone Audio can get themselves back under 100,000 views a month. As for Tristan I will take a better picture of Multnomah Falls than he did just because I can next week. 

 

 Perhaps not all websites can  handle a high level of views without substantial upgrading ?

[AudioDoctor]

this entire thing has been so bizarre, and what an over the top, ridiculous response from Tone Audio.  It's probably better in the long run, and for your own blood pressure to just erase his feed and ignore his existence.

[AudioDoctor]

Also, ToneAudio is getting erased from my bookmarks.

[mansr]

3 hours ago, sandyk said:

 Perhaps not all websites can  handle a high level of views without substantial upgrading ?

Reminds me of a guy some years back who had a little website hosted by his ISP, as was common back then. For whatever reason, the site became quite popular and attracted a lot of traffic. The ISP contacted the guy and offered to help him make the site less attractive so as to ease the load on their servers. He was not amused.

[AudioDoctor]

1 hour ago, mansr said:

Reminds me of a guy some years back who had a little website hosted by his ISP, as was common back then. For whatever reason, the site became quite popular and attracted a lot of traffic. The ISP contacted the guy and offered to help him make the site less attractive so as to ease the load on their servers. He was not amused.

 

'HAHAHAHA

[arcman]

On 7/17/2018 at 7:54 AM, FredM said:

Wow, is this our next level of forum etiquette? (even with a convenient url..)

 

This even violates several TOS articles (as does the OP by the way..!? ). Or does the TOS doesn’t apply for this topic?

 

An (un?)convenient url:

Otherwise we better ask for a CA TOS version which does welcome hatred, insult, etc. I’m still flabbergasted that this is a CA topic (I’ve even read a TOS for the first time in my life to check my expectations).

Since the feed is down now, myself, I would remove this entire thread. A bit embarrassing to have hanging around (If I were the op) if one abides by TA's wishes anyway. 

[Rt66indierock]

9 minutes ago, arcman said:

Since the feed is down now, myself, I would remove this entire thread. A bit embarrassing to have hanging around (If I were the op) if one abides by TA's wishes anyway. 

 

For the health of the industry it is not a good idea to listen to Jeff.

 

Keep the picture of sheep.

[mansr]

13 minutes ago, arcman said:

Since the feed is down now, myself, I would remove this entire thread. A bit embarrassing to have hanging around (If I were the op) if one abides by TA's wishes anyway. 

Mostly embarrassing for Jeff.

[HiFiInsider]

19 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Interesting. 

 

Our resolution was that I removed John's content after a public back & forth on Twitter. He suggested a phone call which I agreed to. The timing was really bad for me because I was in the middle of a family function when this happened and was heading to Maine at 5 am the next day. We disagreed then and still disagree, but I just didn't have time to continue going back and forth and I think Jon is a really nice guy so I just removed his content. 

 

Under different circumstances I would have talked to him a bit more to understand his perspective, but that in no way changes my view that I did nothing wrong. 

 

@thecomputeraudiophile

 

Perhaps Darko's reason for not wanting to take part in your RSS feed is the same reason as Jeff's. Could Jeff been nicer at the first exchange without accusations and threats, yes. But in my opinion, you're the bully. You took Jeff's lunch money and told him I took it because you didn't lock it down like everyone else. That's a bully move.

 

That's all from me... moving on.

[The Computer Audiophile]

5 minutes ago, HiFiInsider said:

 

@thecomputeraudiophile

 

Perhaps Darko's reason for not wanting to take part in your RSS feed is the same reason as Jeff's. Could Jeff been nicer at the first exchange without accusations and threats, yes. But in my opinion, you're the bully. You took Jeff's lunch money and told him I took it because you didn't lock it down like everyone else. That's a bully move.

 

That's all from me... moving on.

Huh?

 

Very strange to me. 

 

No need for analogies. We have facts here. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

26 minutes ago, HiFiInsider said:

 

@thecomputeraudiophile

 

Perhaps Darko's reason for not wanting to take part in your RSS feed is the same reason as Jeff's. Could Jeff been nicer at the first exchange without accusations and threats, yes. But in my opinion, you're the bully. You took Jeff's lunch money and told him I took it because you didn't lock it down like everyone else. That's a bully move.

 

That's all from me... moving on.

I assure you, Jeff’s reasoning was all over the board, accusatory and much of it built on items I proved to him to be false. 

 

He accused me of scraping content and removing his copyright notice in his latest email. That’s just not possible if one understands how RSS works. 

 

I could go on about the false assertions that were made one after the other, but I won’t. 

 

Perhaps you'd also like to know that for years Jeff wanted to “cross pollinate” (his words not mine) content on our sites. 

 

I was also told that if I just had asked before importing the content it would have been OK. That blows me away on many levels. So he’s OK with all of this but he wanted to be asked for something he is giving away? 

 

Its all crazy to me. I really wish HiFi could embrace technology to expand its audience. 

 

All we we want is a simple RSS summary to show CA readers. We want to send traffic to all the sites. And, we want to provide a place to leave comments because many sites have disabled that feature or censor comments heavily. 

[mansr]

8 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

And, we want to provide a place to leave comments because many sites have disabled that feature or censor comments heavily.

Perhaps some see that as a problem.

[Jud]

4 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

All we want is a simple RSS summary to show CA readers. We want to send traffic to all the sites.

 

As I am fond of saying, no good deed goes unpunished.

 

4 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

And, we want to provide a place to leave comments because many sites have disabled that feature or censor comments heavily. 

 

Well, perhaps that's a reason - some sites may not want uncensored comments on their reviews or the equipment being reviewed.

[christopher3393]

2 minutes ago, mansr said:

Perhaps some see that as a problem.

 

2 minutes ago, Jud said:

Well, perhaps that's a reason - some sites may not want uncensored comments on their reviews or the equipment being reviewed.

 

I wonder why that would be?  

[The Computer Audiophile]

This is so frustrating for me. I really should take a break and listen to some music. 

[Jud]

10 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Its all crazy to me. I really wish HiFi could embrace technology to expand its audience. 

 

HiFi folks will tell you they want to embrace technology. They just don't want to put forth the effort to learn anything about it. It's very obvious that at least some folks haven't bothered to learn how RSS is used, and the differences between it and putting information up on a web page.

[mansr]

12 minutes ago, Jud said:

Well, perhaps that's a reason - some sites may not want uncensored comments on their reviews or the equipment being reviewed.

Of course, nothing stops someone simply posting a link to the article here and commenting away to their heart's content.

[Shadders]

10 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

As I am fond of saying, no good deed goes unpunished.

 

 

Well, perhaps that's a reason - some sites may not want uncensored comments on their reviews or the equipment being reviewed.

Hi,

On another site recently, the author of an article responded to my post, and wrote a statement as if i had made a comment i never made.

 

I responded, stating i made no such statement (it was obvious from my text), and this response was not allowed to be posted.

 

I think if this was not an open forum, where all courteous statements are allowed, the forum would reduce in traffic, and so would the exposure to advertisers equipment.

 

Censorship will just lead people to believe there is an agenda detrimental to discussion.

 

Regards,

Shadders.

[phototristan]

I think it's called link harvesting, and it's nothing new. You get free original content from others for your site without having to really do anything. 

[mansr]

1 minute ago, Shadders said:

Censorship will just lead people to believe there is an agenda detrimental to discussion.

Censorship usually means there is such an agenda.