Jeff Dorgay & TONEAudio Declare War on CA

[FredM]

38 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can imagine, but I know you could also think of other roads. 

 

You've showed your muscles, made your point. Consider delete the topic and move on. Please don't be the bully you disgrace.

 

(This will also be my last post in this topic, hope see you all in other more useful and positive places)

 

 

[Ralf11]

The bottom line here is that there might be legal exposure.  It seems that no expert (i.e. IP lawyers) really knows, as there seems to be little or no case law on this.

 

 

And, BTW, a BMW is a Bavarian Buick.

[AudioDoctor]

6 hours ago, phototristan said:

 

 

Sometimes the truth hurts and people don't like to be actually shown the truth.

 

Hi Jeff...

[Qhwoeprktiyns]

5 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

No worries. I prefer to expose bullies who threaten to call lawyers and who literally say the war is on. 

 

This isn't about a spectacle. It's about shedding light on threatening behavior.

 

I have no interest in the actual topic and never read Tone Audio.

 

I was just shocked by the fact that you would post private emails you had with him.

 

You may as well have  taped a phone call or face to face conversation with the guy and published it.

 

As a moderator on this forum you should know better. Anytime someone does the same thing, whining about a vendor and publishing private email conversations, it makes me cringe. 

 

It is completely unprofessional for you to do that and you just  lower yourself further than whatever may have been said to you, and everyone else that supports this kind of practice. 

 

I won't post on this forum any longer!

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, hopkins said:

you just  lower yourself further than whatever may have been said to you

 

Wow. 

 

Would you you have preferred the he said - he said situation?

 

 

 

 

[Jud]

11 minutes ago, hopkins said:

 

I have no interest in the actual topic and never read Tone Audio.

 

I was just shocked by the fact that you would post private emails you had with him.

 

You may as well have  taped a phone call or face to face conversation with the guy and published it.

 

As a moderator on this forum you should know better. Anytime someone does the same thing, whining about a vendor and publishing private email conversations, it makes me cringe. 

 

It is completely unprofessional for you to do that and you just  lower yourself further than whatever may have been said to you, and everyone else that supports this kind of practice. 

 

I won't post on this forum any longer!

 

Those are your feelings, and you are entitled to them.  Other people feel differently, and in fact the law treats this situation very differently than recording a phone conversation without consent. Do you really think a "declaration of war" via email is the sort of thing someone reasonably expects would never be revealed to another?

[Rt66indierock]

6 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Wow. 

 

Would you you have preferred the he said - he said situation?

 

 

 

 

 

I'd prefer it go away but leaving a message for the web guy and talking with Jeff didn't help so there's not much else I can do.

[Rt66indierock]

15 minutes ago, hopkins said:

whining about a vendor

 

I won't post on this forum any longer!

 

Whining about vendors seems to be the national sport of high end audio at least in America.

 

And don't make promises you can't keep.

[sandyk]

7 minutes ago, Jud said:

Those are your feelings, and you are entitled to them.  Other people feel differently, and in fact the law treats this situation very differently than recording a phone conversation without consent.

 

Then the Law is an Ass !

 Does it also permit dissemination of Mobile Phone Texts ???

[arcman]

26 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Wow. 

 

Would you you have preferred the he said - he said situation?

 

 

 

 

Actually, nothing could have gotten said. If you are not legally worried...leave the link as-is...go on. If you really feel threatened and somewhat worried that TA has a case....call an attorney. If you feel bullied...call ToneAudio Magazine and talk it out.  I do give you credit, this thread has gotten people to stop talking about MQA for a while

[realhifi]

Wonder why it’s only become an issue with CA?  Clearly Jeff and Tone Audio have been around for quite some time (great website) and has of course been available to other “links” or what not so why do you suppose there is an issue with just CA?

 

i see links to his articles and certainly on the clearing house website “Daily Audiophile”  his site is linked to and he has no issue there.......sooooo?  

[realhifi]

23 minutes ago, arcman said:

  I do give you credit, this thread has gotten people to stop talking about MQA for a while

Lol!  And thank god for that. 

[realhifi]

54 minutes ago, hopkins said:

 

I have no interest in the actual topic and never read Tone Audio.

 

I was just shocked by the fact that you would post private emails you had with him.

 

You may as well have  taped a phone call or face to face conversation with the guy and published it.

 

As a moderator on this forum you should know better. Anytime someone does the same thing, whining about a vendor and publishing private email conversations, it makes me cringe. 

 

It is completely unprofessional for you to do that and you just  lower yourself further than whatever may have been said to you, and everyone else that supports this kind of practice. 

 

I won't post on this forum any longer!

+1

[phototristan]

3 minutes ago, realhifi said:

Wonder why it’s only become an issue with CA?  Clearly Jeff and Tone Audio have been around for quite some time (great website) and has of course been available to other “links” or what not so why do you suppose there is an issue with just CA?

 

i see links to his articles and certainly on the clearing house website “Daily Audiophile”  his site is linked to and he has no issue there.......sooooo?  

 

It's not the links that are the problem. CA re-published the article in it's entirety. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Yes, CA publishes an exact bit perfect copy of what Tone Audio pushes out through syndication. 

 

We use it’s syndicated feed exactly how it’s designed to be used. 

 

Some sites provide just the title while others provide a summary. Tone provides the entire thing. 

[realhifi]

4 minutes ago, phototristan said:

 

It's not the links that are the problem. CA re-published the article in it's entirety. 

Yep. Know that. Sooooo.....just put in a link. He didn’t ask as kindly as he could have but I get it. 

[Allan F]

1 hour ago, sandyk said:

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Other people feel differently, and in fact the law treats this situation very differently than recording a phone conversation without consent.

Then the Law is an Ass !

 

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[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, realhifi said:

Yep. Know that. Sooooo.....just put in a link. He didn’t ask as kindly as he could have but I get it. 

 

The link is always there. We want to drive traffic to the original article. Everyone wins that way. 

[Hugo9000]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Yes, CA publishes an exact bit perfect copy of what Tone Audio pushes out through syndication. 

 

We use it’s syndicated feed exactly how it’s designed to be used. 

Isn't that how syndication always worked?  I don't believe newspapers were allowed to edit content for any syndicated columnist.  They merely published the unedited content, or chose not to use the syndicated content at all.  ("bit perfect," of course, wasn't a term that would have applied in old print, naturally!)

[realhifi]

3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

The link is always there. We want to drive traffic to the original article. Everyone wins that way. 

Got it. Seems he’d rather you didn’t. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 minutes ago, Hugo9000 said:

Isn't that how syndication always worked?  I don't believe newspapers were allowed to edit content for any syndicated columnist.  They merely published the unedited content, or chose not to use the syndicated content at all.  ("bit perfect," of course, wasn't a term that would have applied in old print, naturally!)

Exactly. 

 

Though some one think we alter it or have the ability to make changes easily. 

[Jud]

1 minute ago, Allan F said:

 

No it isn't, Alex, unless you broadcast your phone calls.

 

Alex I believe was talking about the emails. 

 

These aren't confidential messages sent to a friend or lover, which you would reasonably expect those people not to reveal.  There is no confidential information in them, of the sort you would reasonably expect not to be revealed by, for example, a potential business partner.  It is someone essentially screaming at and threatening you electronically. You can reasonably expect that sort of thing to be discussed with others. 

[mikicasellas]

Sooner or later this Pendej... was going to show up some where with his pathetic and irrational self, had a similar experience with his Nazi attitude a few years ago over facebook when elections were on fire and among all the audiophiles writers that i have on facebook as friends this intolerable disgusting man named Jeff Dorgay went "Cheetos" over me with an agresivo comment that he was going to shut me down for commenting about politics, he is a piece of.... BIG TIME, let him be, people like this guy little by little they go sinking in their own S...t

 

Best regards Chris!!

[Allan F]

16 minutes ago, Jud said:

Alex I believe was talking about the emails.

 

My bad. I assumed he was talking about the original topic until I went back after posting and looked at your post that Alex replied to. Nevertheless, it is still common knowledge and/or advice that when you write an email, you should assume that it will become public. Unless encrypted, email is/should not be considered to be secure.

[Ralf11]

Alex is in Australia.  Like the EU it may have different privacy laws.  

 

AFAIK, both web sites involved here are in the US, tho I heard the analog web site was actually in Portland.