PeterSt Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Joel, are you able to perceive noise from your speakers with the volume wide open ? (ear in speaker is allowed) Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
Popular Post PeterSt Posted July 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 minute ago, joelha said: Volume wide-open, not a sound with my ear to my speakers Hi Joel, OK, good. So how much noise do you perceive - volume wide open again - from a blank part of tape ? For the following, I assume you will hear something. If you set the tape deck to record mode + pause and monitor the output (to the speakers), is the noise there too (its character can be different now) ? How do you like the sound when you play digital in this mode ? Thus, record-pause and monitor the output hence play through the tape deck's electronics. Kind regards, Peter JediJoker and semente 2 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, joelha said: What an interesting question, Peter. I could go one step further (start laughing) : Assuming it is a 3-head deck hence you can monitor live what's really on the tape during recording, you could spend $70 per time the one reel wears out. So you're just using that one reel always (turn it around after 30 minutes - haha). Of course you readily start to see that your problem is solved. Did someone already tell you that I am crazy ? PS: I know that @manisandherhas explicit experience in this field, although it sprung from comparing needle drops. I think he will tell you that the monitoring like this is not 100% equal to the later playback and I forgot why. But it could be just the thing you are looking for (to sort out further). Peter esldude 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 hours ago, GUTB said: Perhaps the Big Lie is that digital is higher fidelity than analog. GUTB, you miss the point (yet again). The tape instances it is about in this case, are the self-recordings of the same digital which does not sound right to joelha's ears when played directly. Nothing is easy (to explain) ... Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, fas42 said: Digital replay at its best easily outperforms analogue, in every area I don't think this is correct. Digital playback - especially the "computer type - is so much more difficult than analogue that analogue will sound "infinitely" longer term for the better. Btw, you know it. So sadly it is merely about the implementation. I kind of guarantee that anyone starting with computer playback has it worse than with his CDP (for a long time). But the potential is there because computer/digital *is* the better one. Frank, we don't disagree. And to others : it is Frank's story (on a record always jumping back to the same groove, but alas, truth anyway IMHO). @joelha, maybe it isn't all that bad. You just heard "an" aspect in tape that overrules something in digital which disallows you to go back. This is fully understandable. But what aspect is that in its element ? Try another Operating System. You will be so, so surprised how that does wonders that suddenly you're sure that digital isn't the way to go (because not comprehending the (OS) situation). But that is the beauty too, because it gives you infinite options (some go crazy of that - but it is part of the hobby just the same). Try Windows 10 Build 10074 (I have it for you if needed). It could be the analogue you are seeking. But It wouldn't be the correct approach (because it needs too much luck). I would hunt down that element doing it to you. And for that the monitor and noise and 3 head etc. proposition is the better one. So not to forget, depending on the outcome there should be (intermittent) conclusions. Btw, the listening to the 3-head monitor and 100x the same reel is only a solution. It is not part of finding the "cause". Just saying ... Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I'll be damned ... I just wanted to propose to set up a chain myself like I propose you to do. How could the deck influence all that much, right. And no, I never asked what deck you have over there. 9 minutes ago, joelha said: I've got a Technics RS-1500 ding-dong ... Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, PeterSt said: I just wanted to propose to set up a chain myself like I propose you to do. OK, just overcoming the shock ... And what I had in mind with that is that I myself would be able to see through what such a chain does (technically) to the sound. I mean, I think I can do that. My promise sort of is that it will be disastrous, unlistenable, killing and what not, but what it is about is the why. But let me tell you that the initial idea of it came from being intrigued : would it work out for the better for me too ? If so, I'd just leave it in the chain. To be honest though, I can't imagine it to be better. But if it is, I am going to find out why and tweak something in the OS or XXHighEnd or maybe the DAC. PS: I forgot that the thing is heavy. Jud 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 hours ago, JDRodrigues said: Only thing is, when I tried tape going that fast, there ended up being more noise from the physical reels spinning at that speed than there was sound improvement. It is true that during rewinding, the heads would read the tape and play the chipmunks (not a wise thing btw). But recording at that speed ? Maybe with a tweak ? but expensive. Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 hours ago, tmtomh said: we cannot equate high fidelity with high enjoyment/musicality. Statement of the year. ++ tmtomh 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 16 hours ago, firedog said: It's the 16/44 "deluxe" version. I could be wrong, it could just be the way they mixed it. The bass and drums just seem to me more emphasized than is usual in this type of music. Tracker, 16/44 normal version from Tidal, sounds overly colored to me. So much so that after 5 tracks I thought "oh well, this bores - bye". And mind you, this never happens to me, unless my gear exposes something of the (coloring) order hence something is wrong. Now the dangerous part : This album was already in my "Nice stuff" gallery, BUT in MQA incarnation only (I never heard the normal version before yesterday). So, very reluctant to even bother, I was too much intrigued how the album could have ended up as nice stuff, it now sounding to (really) bad to me. And so I played a few tracks of the MQA version. First of all I couldn't help still hearing the coloring, but what was very profound was the much more "tack" in everything and the not sounding "too dark" at all, which was the foremost exhibit of the normal version. Implied message : Nice try Mr Knopfler but for me it doesn't work out. You indeed added some flavor, but it is now in everything at the same "level" and it bores. And true, I hate everything which doesn't sound neutral. Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, semente said: 9 minutes ago, PeterSt said: Tracker, 16/44 normal version from Tidal, sounds overly colored to me. So much so that after 5 tracks I thought "oh well, this bores - bye". Was it the sound or the music? ? This question is very much justified, but to be interpreted in an other way than obvious (despite what Dennis just told); The problem I clearly have in general, is that when my system adds too much of its own flavor, all starts to sound the same. And it is between my ears that I can't bear that. The only way I notice this, is by this means : Is that G-D song still not finished ?! So it is not explicitly in me that things sound the same, but the variation has vanished because all sounds the same. It is literally a boring endless repeat of a "chorus" while a chorus is not even there. It doesn't catch. It isn't right ... I am sure that this is only me who is bothered by such a thing, and I guess it is the left over of not allowing e.g. the NOS1 to sound the same ever (has to be 100% neutral). Deep in my mind that "same sound" becomes profound because it "should" bother. With this Mark Knopfler (I think) it is the technical slowness (resulting in sluggishness). And exactly as Denis expresses it : the man seems tired. But I am pretty sure it is just the recording (technique). Say it is the opposite of the PRaT being OK; assuming the PRaT is a "system" matter, when that is fine, all is fast, happy, up-beat etc. And maybe it is no wonder that a track with drums in it, suddenly comes across better, regarding all this. Or ? fas42 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
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