How To Cope If Tidal Does Go Under?

[#Yoda#]

We are living in uncertain times about how the music business will adjust to new opportunities. Maybe new digital technologies like Blockchain will be completely game-changing for media purchasing or streaming as we use it today and the significant player. Let's wait and see how things turn out.

[mansr]

21 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said:

The major labels should be streaming their own content and not going through third parties. They really Effed up in this regard.

I disagree. What they should do is offer worldwide streaming licences at a fair rate with no exclusives or other bullshit. Nobody wants a fragmented market. 

[Brinkman Ship]

2 minutes ago, mansr said:

I disagree. What they should do is offer worldwide streaming licences at a fair rate with no exclusives or other bullshit. Nobody wants a fragmented market. 

But why use a middle man? Why not deal directly with consumers and actually rebuild the business?

[mansr]

3 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said:

But why use a middle man? Why not deal directly with consumers and actually rebuild the business?

Because then I'd need a dozen subscriptions at $10/month each instead of just one.

[#Yoda#]

8 minutes ago, mansr said:

Because then I'd need a dozen subscriptions at $10/month each instead of just one.

Possibly it is a new opportunity for established and famous artists with a real huge catalog like Neil Youngs Archives, available for $ 19.99 per year in real HiRes FLAC up to 24/192 and with a new distribution technology from OraStream. 

[gdpr]

Youtube Music announced by Google!

 

[mansr]

12 minutes ago, #Yoda# said:

Possibly it is a new opportunity for established and famous artists with a real huge catalog like Neil Youngs Archives, available for $ 19.99 per year in real HiRes FLAC up to 24/192 and with a new distribution technology from OraStream. 

I have no interest in paying even that low an amount for access to the back catalogue of one artist.

[#Yoda#]

5 minutes ago, mansr said:

I have no interest in paying even that low an amount for access to the back catalogue of one artist.

I agree!

[left channel]

17 minutes ago, ddetaey said:

Youtube Music announced by Google!

 

 

So it has. "A free tier called YouTube Music and a $10-per-month tier dubbed YouTube Music Premium, and it’s scheduled to debut on May 22 in the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico, and South Korea."

 

Lyor Cohen, YouTube’s global head of music says: “There’s a lot more people in our funnel that we can frustrate and seduce to become subscribers.”

 

https://gizmodo.com/is-youtube-music-already-doomed-1826103455

[Brinkman Ship]

7 minutes ago, left channel said:

 

So it has. "A free tier called YouTube Music and a $10-per-month tier dubbed YouTube Music Premium, and it’s scheduled to debut on May 22 in the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico, and South Korea."

 

Lyor Cohen, YouTube’s global head of music says: “There’s a lot more people in our funnel that we can frustrate and seduce to become subscribers.”

 

https://gizmodo.com/is-youtube-music-already-doomed-1826103455

Both tiers are lossy it appears.

[left channel]

2 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said:

Both tiers are lossy it appears.

 

And pixelated, I'm sure.

[beerandmusic]

4 hours ago, loop7 said:

What would Amazon gain from purchasing TIDAL?

 

Well if Roon is or becomes #1 for music player and if Roon subscribers love Tidal, and Tidal plays well with ROON, it seems Tidal has value.  It also seems that most network players support Tidal.  I also believe network players is the way of the future.

 

I know it's a lot of "IFs", and maybe it doesn't make sense for AMZN to buy tidal, but i was the owner, i would....it certainly would be widely accepted and be easier than marketing amazon music services, or trying to fix amazon music services to compete with tidal....think of the publicity alone it would draw. 

 

I am pretty smart, and if I say it's a good idea, it probably is....(grin).

 

Bottom line, if amzn bought tidal, i would probably subscribe, and I am CHEAP.

 

Besides, then i could get alexa working with ROON. (smile)

 

It's just a matter of time before amzn wins the music streaming business....or should anyway....let's see how smart or not they are.

 

Hell, if talk like this can spread to the ROON message boards, and if AMZN has their ears open at all, one smart employee can make it all happen by a simple suggestion....if google doesn't beat them to it.

[#Yoda#]

3 minutes ago, beerandmusic said:

 

Well if Roon is or becomes #1 for music player and if Roon subscribers love Tidal, and Tidal plays well with ROON, it seems Tidal has value.  It also seems that most network players support Tidal.  I also believe network players is the way of the future.

 

I know it's a lot of "IFs", and maybe it doesn't make sense for AMZN to buy tidal, but i was the owner, i would....it certainly would be widely accepted and be easier than marketing amazon music services....think of the publicity alone.

 

I am pretty smart, and if I say it's a good idea, it probably is....(grin).

 

Forget Roon as long as they are charging $ 500 and additionally the need for a dedicated server hardware. The vast majority of music consumers, even audiophiles, do not demand all the features of Roon and are not willing to pay the fee + hardware costs for something that they can get for free from their streaming hardware supplier or comparatively small money like e. g. Audirvana or JRiver. Don't forget, Roon is a Meridian baby as well!

[Rt66indierock]

8 minutes ago, beerandmusic said:

 

Well if Roon is or becomes #1 for music player and if Roon subscribers love Tidal, and Tidal plays well with ROON, it seems Tidal has value.  It also seems that most network players support Tidal.  I also believe network players is the way of the future.

 

I know it's a lot of "IFs", and maybe it doesn't make sense for AMZN to buy tidal, but i was the owner, i would....it certainly would be widely accepted and be easier than marketing amazon music services, or trying to fix amazon music services to compete with tidal....think of the publicity alone it would draw. 

 

I am pretty smart, and if I say it's a good idea, it probably is....(grin).

 

Bottom line, if amzn bought tidal, i would probably subscribe, and I am CHEAP.

 

Besides, then i could get alexa working with ROON. (smile)

 

It's just a matter of time before amzn wins the music streaming business....or should anyway....let's see how smart or not they are.

 

Hell, if talk like this can spread to the ROON message boards, and if AMZN has their ears open at all, one smart employee can make it all happen by a simple suggestion....if google doesn't beat them to it.

 

Tidal doesn't have enough subscribers to be widely accepted. Those who speculated Tidal had less than a million paying subscribers early last summer were probably right based on a Universal Royalty Statement I downloaded today.  And you will be very disappointed with number of subscribers to the HIFI tier less than 170k.

 

[loop7]

30 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

Tidal doesn't have enough subscribers to be widely accepted. Those who speculated Tidal had less than a million paying subscribers early last summer were probably right based on a Universal Royalty Statement I downloaded today.

I think a lot of audiophiles don't realize how small TIDAL's subscription base is compared to other services. Compared to Spotify, TIDAL almost doesn't register.

 

I love TIDAL but it appears the streaming business is brutal.

[beerandmusic]

50 minutes ago, #Yoda# said:

Forget Roon as long as they are charging $ 500 and additionally the need for a dedicated server hardware. The vast majority of music consumers, even audiophiles, do not demand all the features of Roon and are not willing to pay the fee + hardware costs for something that they can get for free from their streaming hardware supplier or comparatively small money like e. g. Audirvana or JRiver. Don't forget, Roon is a Meridian baby as well!

 

amen...i don't like the price model either, otherwise i would have got roon by now....but won't because of their pricing structure...at least not any time soon....

 

I will say though, that if amazon bought tidal, and roon could support alexa, i would probably buy in, even at $500.

 

 

 

[beerandmusic]

53 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

Tidal doesn't have enough subscribers to be widely accepted. Those who speculated Tidal had less than a million paying subscribers early last summer were probably right based on a Universal Royalty Statement I downloaded today.  And you will be very disappointed with number of subscribers to the HIFI tier less than 170k.

 

 

Almost every new receiver or network device supports tidal, so there is "potential"....most people won't pay for any streaming service...isn't spotify mostly non-paying subscribers?  if not, they must be doing something right that tidal is not?  I think Tidal need more tiers of types of accounts maybe?

[psjug]

1 hour ago, beerandmusic said:

I know it's a lot of "IFs", and maybe it doesn't make sense for AMZN to buy tidal, but i was the owner, i would....it certainly would be widely accepted and be easier than marketing amazon music services, or trying to fix amazon music services to compete with tidal....think of the publicity alone it would draw. 

 

Amazon Music Unlimited already is quite a bit larger than Tidal.  Most people just stream on their phones so i don't think Roon is a big deal to these services.  I'm not saying that it couldn't happen but I don't see where Tidal would be very attractive to them.  Maybe they will pick at the bones like Pandora did with Rdio.

[diecaster]

1 hour ago, #Yoda# said:

Forget Roon....

 

Speak for yourself. I am a lifetime Roon subscriber and quite happy with what I am getting for my money.

 

Oh, you don't *need* dedicated server hardware. But I do prefer it that way. My iMac was the Roon Core for quite a while and performed that task flawlessly while used as my main computer.

[Rt66indierock]

6 minutes ago, diecaster said:

 

Speak for yourself. I am a lifetime Roon subscriber and quite happy with what I am getting for my money.

 

Oh, you don't *need* dedicated server hardware. But I do prefer it that way. My iMac was the Roon Core for quite a while and performed that task flawlessly while used as my main computer.

 

How happy are you going to be without Tidal?

[beerandmusic]

2 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

How happy are you going to be without Tidal?

 

I didn't even know that could be a serious question....are you suggesting that a large percentage of roon subscribers are roon subscribers mainly because of its integration with tidal?  If so, i don't doubt it, that thought just never occurred to me.

[diecaster]

3 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

How happy are you going to be without Tidal?

 

Certainly not as happy. If Tidal went out of business, Roon would be forced to partner with another service. Roon is way more than just a front end to Tidal....

[Brinkman Ship]

3 minutes ago, diecaster said:

 

Certainly not as happy. If Tidal went out of business, Roon would be forced to partner with another service. Roon is way more than just a front end to Tidal....

yes it is.... you are correct.... how about a front end to terabytes of locally stored files for many of us..i am not sure why some are linking Roon to Tidal...

[Rt66indierock]

Just now, diecaster said:

 

Certainly not as happy. If Tidal went out of business, Roon would be forced to partner with another service. Roon is way more than just a front end to Tidal....

But remember the issues they have with other streaming services. And all the major labels are on record as saying they want to do something similar to Roon.

[Rt66indierock]

1 minute ago, beerandmusic said:

 

I didn't even know that could be a serious question....are you suggesting that a large percentage of roon subscribers are roon subscribers mainly because of its integration with tidal?  If so, i don't doubt it, that thought just never occurred to me.

 

One I've been thinking about since I started following Tidal's troubles in Norway where they are located and their third largest market behind the United States and Poland. In 2017 Norway Today reported taxes owed that could only be payroll or property taxes. There has been a steady drip of troubling financial information since especially around vendor and royalty payments. There are reports Norway's Economic Crimes Unit has been asked to investigate. 

 

I've listened carefully to the marketing of Roon it always involves Tidal.