Innuos ZENith "STATEMENT"

[baconbrain]

Reached out to a dealer regarding the price for the 8TB upgrade but evidently Innuos has yet to decide what the pricing structure will look like. Will post when further details are available.

 

Off topic: @nvitorino I have sent you another PM regarding last weeks topic. 🙂

[baconbrain]

18 hours ago, baconbrain said:

Reached out to a dealer regarding the price for the 8TB upgrade but evidently Innuos has yet to decide what the pricing structure will look like. Will post when further details are available.

 

Brief update: Received a prompt response from Innuos and the price for the 8TB upgrade is basically "the difference between the 4TB and 8TB model + 120 Euros for service + shipping (this includes backing up and restoring the music to the new drive)."

 

Of course, one should contact the respective local dealer directly for an exact quote.

[RikkiPoo]

On 11/3/2020 at 12:13 PM, kennyb123 said:

Will there still be an experimental mode or something equivalent to this mode in innuOS 2.0?  Roon’s sound quality really benefits from not having playback performed by Roon itself.

How does that work?  using Roon and not having playback performed by Roon itself?  Are you referring to experimental mode?  I am using the Statement as an endpoint, I preferred Experimental Mode to Roon Core and Endpoint on the Statement.  But I also preferred moving the Core off the Statement and up-sampling to DSD 512 to the Experimental Mode.

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[kennyb123]

14 hours ago, RikkiPoo said:

How does that work?  using Roon and not having playback performed by Roon itself?  Are you referring to experimental mode?  I am using the Statement as an endpoint, I preferred Experimental Mode to Roon Core and Endpoint on the Statement.  But I also preferred moving the Core off the Statement and up-sampling to DSD 512 to the Experimental Mode.

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I’m referring to the integration shown below.  It sounds better than the “Use as Roon Core” option.  It’s also more stable as of an update earlier this year.  Thanks @nvitorino

 

 

[RikkiPoo]

Thanks,  I will try the Experimental Mode again when the new OS is released.

[baconbrain]

@nvitorino PM sent

[kennyb123]

On 11/3/2020 at 9:01 AM, nvitorino said:

 

Starting with the "Innuos control app", what we are doing is revamping the entire OS and not just adding a control app on top of the existing system. The app will be part of innuOS 2.0, which has been in the works for two years now. It is a major difference on the user experience you have now. It's now getting close to Beta release so we will soon start publishing information how it looks and new features, stay tuned.

 

@nvitorinodo you have an ETA on the release of this?  I just switched back to the internal player and it sounds better to me than Roon Experimental mode.  Roon is a noisy beast as far as network chatter and one can really hear the harm it does by switching over as I did.  I’m now eager to hear what innuOS 2.0 will bring to the table.  Exciting times!

[kennyb123]

innuOS 1.4.6 is now available - I'm installing it now.

 

http://www.innuos.com/en/go/release-1-4-6

[FrankMA]

2 hours ago, kennyb123 said:

innuOS 1.4.6 is now available - I'm installing it now.

 

http://www.innuos.com/en/go/release-1-4-6

 

Tried but not seeing the new version on my system

[kennyb123]

2 minutes ago, FrankMA said:

 

Tried but not seeing the new version on my system

 

 

I was actually re-configuring my music libraries when the message popped up indicating that it's available.  I had just finished deleting my NAS folder so I can start over as I've decided to abandon Roon.

[FrankMA]

1 hour ago, kennyb123 said:

 

I was actually re-configuring my music libraries when the message popped up indicating that it's available.  I had just finished deleting my NAS folder so I can start over as I've decided to abandon Roon.

It just showed up for me Kenny. 

 

Wow. Abandoning Roon?  What for?  Did you have a lifetime?

 

[kennyb123]

28 minutes ago, FrankMA said:

It just showed up for me Kenny. 

 

Wow. Abandoning Roon?  What for?  Did you have a lifetime?

 

Yeah I have a lifetime Roon license, but just this week turned off Roon.  There's been a ton of discussion on the Taiko forum on WBF recently about the new TAS application that's in Alpha test for Extreme users.  The feedback hasn't been kind to Roon at all.  I wanted to revisit again the sound quality improvement from using iPeng against Innuos' Squeezebox implementation.  I had tried this months ago with my Zenith Mk2 but thought I should give it another try with my Mk3, as my chain has improved a lot since then.

 

I've been kind of blown away by how much better the sound quality is with Roon turned off.  I had been using Roon Experimental mode so I figured there wouldn't be that big of a gap, but unfortunately that's not the case.  Some on the Taiko forum have claimed that Roon's sound quality got worse a few updates ago.  I think they may be right.  

 

I do miss Roon Radio, but it's tough for me to go back as I can't un-hear what I've been hearing.  I hope that innuOS 2.0 enhances the user experience and also improves the sound quality further.   I've been amazed at the progress the Taiko team has made in only a very short time as I think they hired a developer only 3-6 months ago. Emile apparently made change on the OS side of things that reduced the impact of network optimizations and their music playing builds upon that.  It seems that most music servers are still only scratching the surface of what's possible to achieve.  

[octaviars]

3 hours ago, kennyb123 said:

Some on the Taiko forum have claimed that Roon's sound quality got worse a few updates ago.  I think they may be right.  

 

Still Taiko them self wrote this.

 

Hello All,

We have conducted a thorough investigation in the past 3 weeks since the much discussed Roon update to build 537 launched. We have not been able to find any difference whatsoever relative to the prior build. The update we applied following initial reports of degraded sound quality should be considered as a “general sound quality improvement update” not related to Roon, in stead of a “fix for a sound quality degradation caused by the Roon update itself”. I hereby retract any statement made by, or on behalf of Taiko Audio that there does in fact exist a sound quality difference between Roon build 537 and prior releases.

 

I use Roon and dCS Mosaic (perhaps Mosaic is a bit better in sound quality) and I often tried to just use Mosaic but most of the times I go back to Roon.

 

 

 

[kennyb123]

1 hour ago, octaviars said:

 

Still Taiko them self wrote this.

 

True, but I was going by what Extreme owners were saying.  A few of them have ears I trust more than my own.  My hope was that using Experimental mode would spare me from what they were hearing since Roon isn’t doing the playback.  Certainly Roon Experimental is better than Roon Core - but even better is having Roon turned off.  I am eager to see what @nvitorinounveils as I’m sure he’s well aware of how much better the internal player sound relative to the Roon modes presently.

[octaviars]

@kennyb123 I got Roon from the begining mostly because the way it integrated my Tidal account and local files but since I moved over to Qobuz most of my listening is just Qobuz so the need for integration is not that big anymore.

 

I really do like how Roon works, the radio function for example find music I would never have found on my own but if for example the new Innuos OS2.0 and their new app would also do something similare that could be something to consider.

 

Quite a few members on a Swedish forum uses Innuos servers and now Phoenix USB re-clocker is making a buzz so my thoughts of removing my ROCK solution and dCS NWB and go with either a ZENith+Phoenix or even a Statement is something to consider.

[FrankMA]

9 hours ago, kennyb123 said:

I do miss Roon Radio, but it's tough for me to go back as I can't un-hear what I've been hearing.  I hope that innuOS 2.0 enhances the user experience and also improves the sound quality further.   I've been amazed at the progress the Taiko team has made in only a very short time as I think they hired a developer only 3-6 months ago. Emile apparently made change on the OS side of things that reduced the impact of network optimizations and their music playing builds upon that.  It seems that most music servers are still only scratching the surface of what's possible to achieve.  

 

I had been reading the Taiko developments as well. I thought that upcoming software was for Extreme users only (and that server is outside of my budget). 

Agree totally on your thoughts on Roon vs Experimental vs iPeng. iPeng has always sounded best to me in my system but the usability is brutal (and there seems to be zero development). The Experimental player is better than Roon but buggy to the point of annoyance (at least on 1.4.5). I will be trying it today on 1.4.6 since it has the below updates:

 

New Features

• Updated Logitech Media Server to version 8.0.1
• Updated AssetUPNP to version 7.0

iPeng may also be improved

 

I am also optimistic about 2.0. Agree that there is no way @nvitorino isn't hearing these same differences and incorporating improvements into the 2.0 update

 

 

[kennyb123]

The level of improvement I’m hearing with Roon turned off is the kind of improvement audiophiles would easily shell out money to achieve.  And yet all it cost me was losing Roon’s much better user experience.

 

I intend to use my Roon license to run Roon Core on a Mac.  I have a Chord Poly/Mojo combo for headphone listening.  The Poly is a Roon endpoint.

 

There is an issue with the new firmware in that I can’t update my Tidal credentials.  I haven’t reported it yet.

[Abyss Man]

Hi Ken,

Thank you for sharing the update. It was a Long one I must admit. I’m not sure if it’s my gear which has gone through numerous upgrades as u know or the update, but good lord, it’s sounding so beautiful now and Zenith Mk2 is only a core. It’s so natural, my system has never sounded this natural, clean. The vocals, oh my. 

[str-1]

Is there anything in the new upgrade that could improve sound quality?  I do not use Roon.

[kennyb123]

18 hours ago, kennyb123 said:

There is an issue with the new firmware in that I can’t update my Tidal credentials.  I haven’t reported it yet.

 

Per Nuno:
“There was an initial issue with the update that has been resolved now. However, we will need to reinstall the update, which we can do via remote session.”

He took care of that this morning so all is good here now.

[tedwoods]

Is their any insight on wheteher the up-coming Inuuos internal player will be able to handle the first MQA unfolding or offer library  integration of Tidal and local files?

[str-1]

Software update 1.4.7 now available.  Not yet diwnloaded.

 

http://www.innuos.com/en/go/release-1-4-7

[sbilotta]

took me 5 minutes and an automatic reboot.

All good

[FrankMA]

about 30 minutes and a reboot

[yellowblue]

Is it just me or does it sound better with 1.47? I didn´t hear any difference between 1.45 and 1.46 but for me it´s more 3D and better sound overall with my Zenith SE plus Phoenix.