tboooe Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Superdad said: John's clock-block That made me laugh! I had to do a double take on that to make sure I read that right!!! Superdad 1 12TB NAS >> i7-6700 Server/Control PC >> i3-5015u NAA >> Singxer SU-1 DDC (modded) >> Holo Spring L3 DAC >> Accustic Arts Power 1 int amp >> Sonus Faber Guaneri Evolution speakers + REL T/5i sub (x2) Other components: UpTone Audio LPS1.2/IsoRegen, Fiber Switch and FMC, Windows Server 2016 OS, Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, Fidelizer Pro 6, HQ Player, Roonserver, PS Audio P3 AC regenerator, HDPlex 400W ATX & 200W Linear PSU, Light Harmonic Lightspeed Split USB cable, Synergistic Research Tungsten AC power cords, Tara Labs The One speaker cables, Tara Labs The Two Extended with HFX Station IC, Oyaide R1 outlets, Stillpoints Ultra Mini footers, Hi-Fi Tuning fuses, Vicoustic/RealTraps/GIK room treatments Link to comment
Superdad Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, tboooe said: That made me laugh! I had to do a double take on that to make sure I read that right!!! I often make typos in my posts and it is no big deal. But I am sure glad I did not mess up that one! daverich4 1 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
austinpop Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, Superdad said: I often make typos in my posts and it is no big deal. But I am sure glad I did not mess up that one! Yes, as a rule, your posts are not chock-a-block with typos. My Audio Setup Link to comment
Confused Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 I see Hans Beekhuyzen has suffered a similar problem in his recent jitter video..... Windows 11 PC, Roon, HQPlayer, Focus Fidelity convolutions, iFi Zen Stream, Paul Hynes SR4, Mutec REF10, Mutec MC3+USB, Devialet 1000Pro, KEF Blade. Plus Pro-Ject Signature 12 TT for playing my 'legacy' vinyl collection. Desktop system; RME ADI-2 DAC fs, Meze Empyrean headphones. Link to comment
Michaelb4 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 With trepidation I ask any question. I have an EERO about 4 feet from my Ultrarendu which is connected by ethernet. The Ultrarendu is connected to a Mytek Dac by USB. I may have a good linear power supply powering the Rendu and Dac but it always seemed weird to me because the EERO is powered by whatever they gave me and instructed me to plugin and I am not sure it was developed for audio. The EERO is the first network that works in my house so I am not complaining. If I understand I can plug the EtherREGEN in between my EERO and my Ultrarendu and it will filter out most extraneous electrical noise. Link to comment
Bones13 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 22 hours ago, Michaelb4 said: With trepidation I ask any question. I have an EERO about 4 feet from my Ultrarendu which is connected by ethernet. The Ultrarendu is connected to a Mytek Dac by USB. I may have a good linear power supply powering the Rendu and Dac but it always seemed weird to me because the EERO is powered by whatever they gave me and instructed me to plugin and I am not sure it was developed for audio. The EERO is the first network that works in my house so I am not complaining. If I understand I can plug the EtherREGEN in between my EERO and my Ultrarendu and it will filter out most extraneous electrical noise. Yes, as long as the etherRegen is the last ethernet connection is etherRegen -> ultraRendu, you will get the cleaning effects of the etherRegen. My audio stack has an Ethernet switch in it for streamer, Roku, and Oppo BluRay. I’m looking for the etherRegen to make a clean connection to the streamer, while keeping junk from my network, and digital devices in the stack, from that last link. [Home Digital] MSB Premier DAC > Modright LS300 > Atma-Sphere "Class D" Monoblocks > Daedalus Audio Muse Studio Speakers [Home Analog] Technics SL-1200G > Boulder 508 (Benz Glider SL) [Office] Laptop > Kitsune R2R lvl3 > Violectric V281 > Meze Liric / Meze Elite [Travel] Laptop/iPad -> Focal Bathys Link to comment
jos Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I’m a little confused now (and forgive me because it’s somewhat off-topic) , but I just received a mail from SmallGreen Computer about the opticalRendu. They can deliver this device with a kind of switch too and now I’m asking myself: is this a worthy alternatieve, or something totally different? In my mind I want to stay with one kind of connection (ethernet), but if it sounds better than my ultraRendu and I don’t have to buy the etherREGEN.... Link to comment
k-man Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 If your trade-in from ultrarendu to opticalrendu (plus any further purchases of systemOptique and/or Optical module) exceeds $600, then the etherREGEN makes more sense. Link to comment
LowMidHigh Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, k-man said: If your trade-in from ultrarendu to opticalrendu (plus any further purchases of systemOptique and/or Optical module) exceeds $600, then the etherREGEN makes more sense. A valid point. But there's also an issue of timing. No one knows when the etherREGN will be available. Stereo [Genelec 1032C x 2 + 7360 x 2] <== [MC3+USB x 3 <-- REF10 SE120] <== [AERIS G2] <== [EtherRegen x 3] Chain switchable to [Genelec 8331 x 2 + 7350] Surround [Genelec 1032C x 3 + 8431 x 2 + 7360 x 2] <== [MiniDSP U-DIO8] <== [Mac Mini] Link to comment
jos Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, LowMidHigh said: A valid point. But there's also an issue of timing. No one knows when the etherREGN will be available. Thank you both. If the sound quality will be the same (and I think it will), than I will prefer the etherREGEN. I think it will keep things more simple too. Link to comment
Popular Post Superdad Posted February 25, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, jos said: I’m a little confused now (and forgive me because it’s somewhat off-topic) , but I just received a mail from SmallGreen Computer about the opticalRendu. They can deliver this device with a kind of switch too and now I’m asking myself: is this a worthy alternatieve, or something totally different? Since I know you are referencing Sonore and Small Green Computer's mention of an "Ethernet switch" built into the opticalRendu, I will clarify that for all: Without going into too much technical detail (Sonore understandably does not like it if I explain the details of their products), I can tell you that the opticalRendu uses an Ethernet switch chip as the means to provide the optical Ethernet input. But since there is only the one SFP-cage for input to the opticalRendu, it is just a single-port Ethernet switch. Similar to how our USB hub-chip-based REGENs are single-port USB hubs. ====== As a reminder, the key differentiating advantage that EtherREGEN will offer (and I am not referring directly to the opticalRendu as that fine product has a different function as a rendering end-point) over anything else is its separate, isolated, ultra-low-phase noise clock domain. This comes courtesy of newly available active, 600MHz, ultra-low-jitter digital isolators on the Ethernet signal--something nobody else has done--clocking run as differential lines, and 10GHz(!) differential flip-flops. And of course that all has to occur on its own separate power domain, so a more costly isolated power converter module combined with a boatload of LT3042/45 ultra-low-noise regulators are used. gstew and LowMidHigh 2 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
jos Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Superdad said: Since I know you are referencing Sonore and Small Green Computer's mention of an "Ethernet switch" built into the opticalRendu, I will clarify that for all: Without going into too much technical detail (Sonore understandably does not like it if I explain the details of their products), I can tell you that the opticalRendu uses an Ethernet switch chip as the means to provide the optical Ethernet input. But since there is only the one SFP-cage for input to the opticalRendu, it is just a single-port Ethernet switch. Similar to how our USB hub-chip-based REGENs are single-port USB hubs. ====== As a reminder, the key differentiating advantage that EtherREGEN will offer (and I am not referring directly to the opticalRendu as that fine product has a different function as a rendering end-point) over anything else is its separate, isolated, ultra-low-phase noise clock domain. This comes courtesy of newly available active, 600MHz, ultra-low-jitter digital isolators on the Ethernet signal--something nobody else has done--clocking run as differential lines, and 10GHz(!) differential flip-flops. And of course that all has to occur on its own separate power domain, so a more costly isolated power converter module combined with a boatload of LT3042/45 ultra-low-noise regulators are used. Thanks, but I was meaning the additional staterskit with the switch inside. Link to comment
Dutch Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, jos said: Thanks, but I was meaning the additional staterskit with the switch inside. It’s been mentioned several times, it’s the TRENDnet TEG-S51SFP which one can buy at any shop for cheap. The starter kit with switch, fiber optic cable and SFP module is just there to take out the guess work for people who are computer illiterate but still want to venture beyond their simple CD players. Superdad 1 System details Link to comment
jos Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Dutch said: It’s been mentioned several times, it’s the TRENDnet TEG-S51SFP which one can buy at any shop for cheap. The starter kit with switch, fiber optic cable and SFP module is just there to take out the guess work for people who are computer illiterate but still want to venture beyond their simple CD players. Sorry, I’m not a technical person, but I think in the end I could chose between the opticalRendu with the starters kit (and sell my ultraRendu), or just add the etherREGEN to my ultraRendu. For now I prefer the latter. Link to comment
Popular Post Superdad Posted February 26, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2019 10 hours ago, k-man said: For all the marketing speak lately, what gives the etherREGEN an advantage is how it can elevate existing setups where an ‘optical’ route may not be considered the absolute best. I abhor marketing speak! If anyone ever spots what they think is jargon or gobbledegook coming from UpTone, please call us on it. Most especially I can't stand made-up terms for circuits and design features (something I see a lot of from other firms). Would much rather explain things in plain English--as fully as possible without revealing parts and techniques that we consider semi-proprietary and key to our designs. Quote I highly doubt the etherREGEN will be obsolete in the same manner as the rendu series, judging by their respective product cycles. I’m all for recommending the opticalRendu especially if one already has an existing optical network. But if anyone is agonising about the choices of starter kits over the existing FMC/SPF solutions, then opticalRendu is def not the way to go. I will once again ask folks not to conflate the forthcoming Sonore and UpTone Ethernet-relatate products. a) They take different approaches, are functionally different, and solve different issues; b) None of these items are yet out in the wild for direct comparison; c) EtherREGEN has a much broader target market than Rendu users. We recognize that people are trying to: 1) Get a handle on all this optical stuff; 2) Plan their Ethernet audio upgrade paths; 3) Conceptually trying to puzzle out what will be the combinations that deliver the best performance. In this thread please stick to questions about EtherREGEN (its design and use) itself. Once it is delivered anyone will be able to compare, combine, and report on actual in-system performance. Thanks all, --Alex C. spotforscott, feelingears, Albrecht and 4 others 3 3 1 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
Popular Post Superdad Posted February 26, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2019 @k-man and @diecaster: I have deleted 7 back-and-forth posts (including one of my own). I truly do not have time to diplomatically moderate about what and how people speculate about products--especially those from other companies. opticalRendu will be great; EtherREGEN will be great. They are different solutions. The End. feelingears, Dave G, Jud and 12 others 4 6 4 1 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
soares Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Hi Alex! Are there already any picture you could share? I know... anxiety :-) Have a great weekend! Jorge Jensen VRD-iFF>Router>Rj45>opticalModule> SFP>Buffalo2016>SFP>opticalModule >Rj45> IZen Mk3>Rj45> Delock62619>Rj45> etherRegen (Master Clock+ Mini-Circuits BLP)>SFP>opticalRendu>USB>IsoRegen> USB>Phoenix>USB>OPPO 205 (Modded)>HMS “the Perfect Match”>Proac Tablette Reference 8 Signature. Link to comment
Bones13 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 It’s my recollection that he mentioned it was being designed to fit in an enclosure similar to their current aluminum extrusion cases now. Something like the LPS box with Ethernet ports, power input, grounding stud, and fiber module box studded across both front and back of the case. Not sure if this concept has endured, or not. As they have not finalized the board yet, I doubt there are pictures yet. soares 1 [Home Digital] MSB Premier DAC > Modright LS300 > Atma-Sphere "Class D" Monoblocks > Daedalus Audio Muse Studio Speakers [Home Analog] Technics SL-1200G > Boulder 508 (Benz Glider SL) [Office] Laptop > Kitsune R2R lvl3 > Violectric V281 > Meze Liric / Meze Elite [Travel] Laptop/iPad -> Focal Bathys Link to comment
Popular Post Superdad Posted March 1, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, soares said: Hi Alex! Are there already any picture you could share? I know... anxiety 🙂 Have a great weekend! Jorge Hi Jorge: Sorry, no photos yet. But @Bones13 is correct, the case will be exactly the same size and style as we use for the UltraCap power supplies (and as Sonore uses for the ultra and optical Rendus). One end has the 4 Gigabit RJ45 copper ports and the SFP cage for optical. The other end has the "across the active isolators, in its own clock and power domain" RJ45 port, a DC power jack, a power LED, a ground thumb screw, a 75ohm BNC for optional 10MHz reference clock input, and a tiny switch that selects internal/external clock (and no, the clock signal does not actually go though that switch, it just triggers a circuit). So with the above info you should be able to close your eyes and picture the whole exterior. Of course the real magic engineering happens on the 6-layer circuit board inside. That's also where all the money is--not on a fancy case (though I know some here would like that). soares and David Young 2 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
ronfint Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Sorry for re-introducing an old issue, but will there be an option for replacing the 75 ohm BNC with a 50 ohm BNC? Link to comment
LowMidHigh Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, ronfint said: Sorry for re-introducing an old issue, but will there be an option for replacing the 75 ohm BNC with a 50 ohm BNC? I believe Alex will solder a 50 ohm BNC upon request. But that might have changed since. ronfint 1 Stereo [Genelec 1032C x 2 + 7360 x 2] <== [MC3+USB x 3 <-- REF10 SE120] <== [AERIS G2] <== [EtherRegen x 3] Chain switchable to [Genelec 8331 x 2 + 7350] Surround [Genelec 1032C x 3 + 8431 x 2 + 7360 x 2] <== [MiniDSP U-DIO8] <== [Mac Mini] Link to comment
soares Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Superdad said: Hi Jorge: Sorry, no photos yet. But @Bones13 is correct, the case will be exactly the same size and style as we use for the UltraCap power supplies (and as Sonore uses for the ultra and optical Rendus). One end has the 4 Gigabit RJ45 copper ports and the SFP cage for optical. The other end has the "across the active isolators, in its own clock and power domain" RJ45 port, a DC power jack, a power LED, a ground thumb screw, a 75ohm BNC for optional 10MHz reference clock input, and a tiny switch that selects internal/external clock (and no, the clock signal does not actually go though that switch, it just triggers a circuit). So with the above info you should be able to close your eyes and picture the whole exterior. Of course the real magic engineering happens on the 6-layer circuit board inside. That's also where all the money is--not on a fancy case (though I know some here would like that). Yes I have the full picture. Thank you Alex. Pretty ugly device, but I’m sure it will make me happy 🙂 Cheers. Jorge Jensen VRD-iFF>Router>Rj45>opticalModule> SFP>Buffalo2016>SFP>opticalModule >Rj45> IZen Mk3>Rj45> Delock62619>Rj45> etherRegen (Master Clock+ Mini-Circuits BLP)>SFP>opticalRendu>USB>IsoRegen> USB>Phoenix>USB>OPPO 205 (Modded)>HMS “the Perfect Match”>Proac Tablette Reference 8 Signature. Link to comment
Superdad Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 hour ago, ronfint said: Sorry for re-introducing an old issue, but will there be an option for replacing the 75 ohm BNC with a 50 ohm BNC? Yes, the plan is to have our board house leave the BNC (and a resistor) off a few dozen boards. Then I'll stock some 50 ohm BNCs (and the correct termination resistors) and install upon request. For cost and stocking reasons this is probably the best way. Most people are not going to be using EtherREGEN with an external clock, and the majority of those who are are more likely to need 75ohm. ronfint 1 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
jos Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 I would like it If I can also order an Uptone Audio approved 25cm ethernet cable to connect it to my ultraRendu. Link to comment
stevebythebay Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Hope the unit’s female RJ45 accepts the higher end connectors, often found on AudioQuest and WireWorld Ethernet cables. I know that my cable, using a Metz male plug, has trouble locking in place in some switches, and needs some home-brew work to stay in place when plugged into my Roon Nucleus. Steve Schaffer Grimm MU1 / dCS Vivaldi Upsampler - APEX DAC - Clock / Spectral DMC-30SV preamp / Spectral Anniversary monoblocks / Wilson Audio Alexia V / Wilson Lōkē subs / Shunyata Everest / Shunyata Omega interconnects, power cables, Ethernet / Shunyata Altaira / Uptone EtherREGEN switch / Cybershaft OP21A-D / Uptone JS2 LPS / HRS racks - Vortex footers - damping plates Link to comment
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